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Topic: The EIRE's Top 10 Matches
Posted By: Trap junior
Subject: The EIRE's Top 10 Matches
Date Posted: 30 May 2020 at 11:37pm
Along the Match of the Day lines here.  Top 10 games we ever played in your lifetime.  They can be included for footballing performance or entertainment or significance or a mixture of all 3.

1.  Eire v Italy 1994
2.  Eire v England 1988
3.  England v Eire 1991
4.  Eire v Holland 2001
5.  Eire v USSR 1988
6.  Italy v Eire 2016
7.  France v Eire 2009
8.  Eire v Germany 2015
9.  Estonia v Eire 2011
10.Turkey v Eire 1991



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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 30 May 2020 at 11:45pm
My top 10 games based on footballing performance alone

1. Eire v Italy 1994
2. Eire v USSR 1988
3. France v Eire 2009
4. England v Eire 1991
5. Turkey v Eire 1991
6. Eire v Croatia 1998
7. Eire v Yugoslavia 1999
8. Spain v Eire 2002
9. Holland v Eire 2000
10. Poland v Eire 1991


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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 7:12pm
The EIRE v Italy 1994 on TG4 at 7.30pm tonight. 


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Posted By: Americanisms
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 7:44pm
Anyone here old enough to remember England 0-2 Ireland in Goodison in 1949? LOL


Posted By: trevwaterford
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 8:55am
I doubt it! I watched the Italy game from 1994 last night. Very good performance. Paul McGrath was brilliant and Babb, Townsend and Sheridan also played very well. 
I watched the Holland game the night before. Great win but rode our luck with the Dutch coming close a number of times and Shay Given getting away with dragging down Van Nistlerooy after Staunton's mistake.


Posted By: Artie Ziff
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 10:41am
Do they show the full match on RTE? 

Is there a schedule of other games coming up? Would like to see WC2002 again particularly the Spain match 


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Posted By: trevwaterford
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 11:44am
https://forum.ybig.ie/forum_posts.asp?TID=57413&title=classic-rep-of-ireland%20" rel="nofollow - https://forum.ybig.ie/forum_posts.asp?TID=57413&title=classic-rep-of-ireland

A lot of games on Eir sport. Rte showed 1 hour highlights on Thursday night as part of the Rte sports classics. TG4 have full games on Friday night.


Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 12:26pm
Eir showing the Germany 02 game tomorrow evening 


Posted By: Gary McKay
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by trevwaterford trevwaterford wrote:

Shay Given getting away with dragging down Van Nistlerooy after Staunton's mistake.
Obviously didnt watch it closely enough or the replays.
Given never laid a hand on him.
Obstruction at best, clumsy at worst.



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Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 12:52pm
Is obstruction in the box still an indirect free-kick? You never see it given.

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Posted By: ProudAndLoud
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 3:37pm
Given blocks his run with contact penalty all day 


Posted By: Artie Ziff
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 3:47pm
Originally posted by trevwaterford trevwaterford wrote:

https://forum.ybig.ie/forum_posts.asp?TID=57413&title=classic-rep-of-ireland%20" rel="nofollow - https://forum.ybig.ie/forum_posts.asp?TID=57413&title=classic-rep-of-ireland

A lot of games on Eir sport. Rte showed 1 hour highlights on Thursday night as part of the Rte sports classics. TG4 have full games on Friday night.

Eir changed this and deleted the games but I have had a look and now there are more games there  again   https://www.eirsport.ie/gold" rel="nofollow - https://www.eirsport.ie/gold  

Ire v Spain Big smile 21st of June


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Posted By: FrankosHereNow
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 7:23pm
Originally posted by ProudAndLoud ProudAndLoud wrote:

Given blocks his run with contact penalty all day 
There’s no doubt it should have been a penalty. We were blessed.

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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 7:30pm
Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by ProudAndLoud ProudAndLoud wrote:

Given blocks his run with contact penalty all day 
There’s no doubt it should have been a penalty. We were blessed.


We should have lost that game 3 or 4-0.  Bit like the Germany 2015 game.  They missed everything and we took our chance.  We played better in 2001 compared to 2015 though.

I forgot how close they came to scoring at the end. Hamilton didnt seem too bothered by the ball just missing the post by a geehair from Kluivert and Hasselbaink I think it was in injury time.  We had an awful habit of conceding late goals under McCarthy. I was convinced it was going to happen again even though it would still have qualified us for the playoff.


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Posted By: Healy52003
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 3:06am
Crazy to think in 2009 if we had held on to beat Italy in Croke Park we still wouldn't of automatically qualified unless Italy lost at home to Georgia (Italy won with a last min goal but had qualified already) and we beat montenegro

Still would of went down as one of the great days in Irish football  




Posted By: Scissors Kick
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 4:38am
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Posted By: Mr. Snrub
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by Healy52003 Healy52003 wrote:

Crazy to think in 2009 if we had held on to beat Italy in Croke Park we still wouldn't of automatically qualified unless Italy lost at home to Georgia (Italy won with a last min goal but had qualified already) and we beat montenegro

Still would of went down as one of the great days in Irish football  




So what you are saying is we were absolutely nowhere near topping the group LOL

Bizarre post


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Posted By: Zinedine Kilbane 110
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 3:10pm
Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

My top 10 games based on footballing performance alone

1. Eire v Italy 1994
2. Eire v USSR 1988
3. France v Eire 2009
4. England v Eire 1991
5. Turkey v Eire 1991
6. Eire v Croatia 1998
7. Eire v Yugoslavia 1999
8. Spain v Eire 2002
9. Holland v Eire 2000
10. Poland v Eire 1991

What about the games before the 94 World Cup:

Beating the Germans 2-0 in Germany.
And the Dutch 1-0 away.




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Posted By: irelandfan
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 3:32pm
Originally posted by Healy52003 Healy52003 wrote:

Crazy to think in 2009 if we had held on to beat Italy in Croke Park we still wouldn't of automatically qualified unless Italy lost at home to Georgia (Italy won with a last min goal but had qualified already) and we beat montenegro

Still would of went down as one of the great days in Irish football  



We only drew 0-0 with Montenegro and the Italian game your referring too was Cyprus not Georgia if Im not wrong. Crazy times my aul lad paid 300 quid for himself and my bro to go to the Italian game this was before the ST and you had to buy tickets for both games together and practically nobody showed up for the Montenegro game but the FAI already made there money. Martin Rowland came on in the Italian game and I remember saying who the fook is he and where is Andy Reid. 


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Posted By: Healy52003
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 3:46pm
Its Serbia's fault for topping the there group that year with France finishing runners up and then UEFA shat themselves at the thought of 2 big teams facing each other deciding to seed the playoffs and fecking us up 

That was a good campaign for us and small things cost us (and Henry the cheating so and so)


Posted By: Deco79
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 3:59pm
The home game vs Northern Ireland in the 94 qualifiers where we won 3-0 was some performance in the first half from what i remember 


Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 4:44pm
Its a shame that there is no footage of the 1956 game against Germany. Beating the world champions with 7 home based players hasnt got enough recognition in my opinion 

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Posted By: NewtNewbie
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 5:08pm
Originally posted by Deco79 Deco79 wrote:

The home game vs Northern Ireland in the 94 qualifiers where we won 3-0 was some performance in the first half from what i remember 

A powerful performance.We steamrollered them. The game was over by half-time. I think Staunton scored directly from a corner.

I watched highlights from the 0-4 Euro '96 qualifier against the north recently, and every goal was down to a goalkeeping error. I believe Paul Kees, a part-timer and coalman by day, who played for Ards, was in goal for them.

Flattered us.


Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

My top 10 games based on footballing performance alone

1. Eire v Italy 1994
2. Eire v USSR 1988
3. France v Eire 2009
4. England v Eire 1991
5. Turkey v Eire 1991
6. Eire v Croatia 1998
7. Eire v Yugoslavia 1999
8. Spain v Eire 2002
9. Holland v Eire 2000
10. Poland v Eire 1991

What about the games before the 94 World Cup:

Beating the Germans 2-0 in Germany.
And the Dutch 1-0 away.



Being friendlies I didn't include them.  Brazil 1987 too and Holland 2004 etc...


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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 5:21pm
Northern Ireland away 1994 was a good performance but they would have been considered much worse than us


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Posted By: NewtNewbie
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Northern Ireland away 1994 was a good performance but they would have been considered much worse than us
 
Indeed. And yet they finished level on points with us, and a point better off than Austria who tonked us home and away. If they'd equalised at home to Latvia they'd have qualified directly, I think I'm right in saying.


Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 6:04pm
Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Northern Ireland away 1994 was a good performance but they would have been considered much worse than us
 
Indeed. And yet they finished level on points with us, and a point better off than Austria who tonked us home and away. If they'd equalised at home to Latvia they'd have qualified directly, I think I'm right in saying.


Yeah that's right.  I think that says more about our radical collapse rather than their good form although they did tank Austria which was bizarre.

After that England friendly things went completely off the rails.  Drawing to Northern Ireland in Lansdowne was a disaster.  Injuries didn't help too for the rest of the campaign.  Roy Keane seemed to miss every match.

At the time and for years afterwards I assumed Jack was going to step down in Feb 1996 but was sacked before he got to 10 yrs exactly.   But it seems he was definitely thinking of staying on and havig a go at the World Cup qualifiers. (Certainly before Anfield anyway).



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Posted By: NewtNewbie
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 7:10pm
Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Northern Ireland away 1994 was a good performance but they would have been considered much worse than us
 
Indeed. And yet they finished level on points with us, and a point better off than Austria who tonked us home and away. If they'd equalised at home to Latvia they'd have qualified directly, I think I'm right in saying.


Yeah that's right.  I think that says more about our radical collapse rather than their good form although they did tank Austria which was bizarre.

After that England friendly things went completely off the rails.  Drawing to Northern Ireland in Lansdowne was a disaster.  Injuries didn't help too for the rest of the campaign.  Roy Keane seemed to miss every match.

At the time and for years afterwards I assumed Jack was going to step down in Feb 1996 but was sacked before he got to 10 yrs exactly.   But it seems he was definitely thinking of staying on and havig a go at the World Cup qualifiers. (Certainly before Anfield anyway).


Whatever about how Ireland's form deteriorated in the latter days of his reign, Jack was treated disgracefully at the end, as he described in his autobiography. He'd earned the right to leave on his own terms. And there were no upcoming competitive matches for months.

You're right about injuries. Roy Keane missed 8 of the 11 qualification matches - including the playoff - and played for United in, I think, 7 of the matches they played immediately afterwards.


Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 7:17pm
Yeah he deserved so much better from the FAI.  Yeah Keane never seemed to miss many games when he was at Forest but went missing frequently when he went to United.  At least that's my recollection of it.

Wonder what would have happened had he stayed on for another campaign and brought in young players.
His last game at Anfield he had 4 full backs in the team and 2 aged strikers up front.


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Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 7:28pm
It would have been a disaster

The game had moved on significantly by his standards. He was clinging on to the jobs (method wise) due to the fact the stalwarts were still there. Houghton etc. 

It was a massive rebuild and he was a total spent force by 96. 


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Posted By: NewtNewbie
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 7:48pm
Things had probably run their natural course by Anfield. But Charlton was missing Keane, Staunton, Quinn, Kennedy, David Kelly and Coyne, and Sheridan was only half-fit, having only recently returned from serious injury. So options were slim.

Houghton and/or McAteer should have played, however.


Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 7:49pm
Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

It would have been a disaster

The game had moved on significantly by his standards. He was clinging on to the jobs (method wise) due to the fact the stalwarts were still there. Houghton etc. 

It was a massive rebuild and he was a total spent force by 96. 


Yeah it probably would have ended in a Trap, MON-esque style last campaign.  But I maintain that we would have qualified for Euo 96 had Keane et al been available.

I remember Ronnie Whelan captaining us in 1995 against Liechtenstein.  We seemed to have only semi retired lads to pick from for a number of games.

Jeff Kenna, Alan Kelly never seemed to fit in.

Who would have come through for Jack in 1996 had he stayed?  Breen, Kennedy, Cunningham..




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Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 9:51am
Originally posted by Scissors Kick Scissors Kick wrote:

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Posted By: sausy
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 10:12am
Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Northern Ireland away 1994 was a good performance but they would have been considered much worse than us
 
Indeed. And yet they finished level on points with us, and a point better off than Austria who tonked us home and away. If they'd equalised at home to Latvia they'd have qualified directly, I think I'm right in saying.


Yeah that's right.  I think that says more about our radical collapse rather than their good form although they did tank Austria which was bizarre.

After that England friendly things went completely off the rails.  Drawing to Northern Ireland in Lansdowne was a disaster.  Injuries didn't help too for the rest of the campaign.  Roy Keane seemed to miss every match.

At the time and for years afterwards I assumed Jack was going to step down in Feb 1996 but was sacked before he got to 10 yrs exactly.   But it seems he was definitely thinking of staying on and havig a go at the World Cup qualifiers. (Certainly before Anfield anyway).

 
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Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 11:08am
Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Yeah he deserved so much better from the FAI.  Yeah Keane never seemed to miss many games when he was at Forest but went missing frequently when he went to United.  At least that's my recollection of it.

Wonder what would have happened had he stayed on for another campaign and brought in young players.
His last game at Anfield he had 4 full backs in the team and 2 aged strikers up front.

I think it can be forgotten that the decline was rather gradual, and it didn't come as a bolt from the blue when we started losing games. Although the US Cup 92 wasn't really serious, it was the first time we lost games for some time that had any sort of competitive edge. Then there was the 3-1 defeat to Spain in Dublin, and the Denmark game in 1993 could have gone the same way given the manner in which the game panned out after their goal. While the Italy game in 1994 was breathtakingly brilliant, USA 94 was a fairly disappointing time, and we were very much "also-rans" in the tournament, even though we did well to break the group. If you watch the game in Windsor Park in November 1994 one of the major differences was the performances of both keepers. Apart from Sheridan's goal, you'd have backed Alan Kelly to save the other three goals we scored, which seemed to go through the keeper, and Kelly made several good saves when we were two goals up. The Portugal win proved to be a dead cat bounce, and after that the difficulties that cropped up two years previously against Spain, became the norm.

Funny, I think Charlton did have an eye on the future. He was actually engaging a rebuild of sorts, with the "Three Amigos", Kenna, and Kennedy. Alan Kelly also became the starting keeper in lieu of Bonner. He also had a relatively young Roy Keane available, which was seven players on which to build a team. The difficulty was, as has been said, the ongoing involvement of the more aged players (who incidentally, generally got a run with McCarthy (McGrath, Aldo, Cascarino, Houghton, Bonner all got capped by McCarthy, as did lads like Liam O'Brien). Charlton may have found it a little more difficult to dispense with them. Also, the draw against Lichtenstein should be construed as a product of the tactics employed, where 4-4-2 was persisted with, when there was an argument to be made for at least going 4-3-3, or if you were particularly forward thinking 3-4-3. If the same tactics were persisted with, it didn't necessarily matter who the players were, as the tactics might undo good work, anyway.

Also, what is forgotten is, is that it was a different time in management, and often it required 'amicable' discussions with managers to part ways, and you wouldn't suffer a few bad results, lose your job and be frogmarched from the building with a cardboard box of your things and a plant in a pot. Famously, Maurice Setters didn't agree that because Jack was going, it automatically meant he was gone too, and there was an ongoing dispute that went to the EAT in November 1996, and was settled. As such, I'm not sure what difference would have been made by waiting for an apparent inevitability, which may not have happened. While there was no competitive fixtures for several months, McCarthy got to test out his methods over 10 or so games, and against a large number of teams that were going to Euro '96, and at a time where friendly matches still had a slightly competitive edge. I also think, the extent of the needs of the rebuild only became clear during 1996-1997, and an extension of the Charlton years may not have started that as quickly as it needed. McCarthy deserves a lot of credit for identifying the needs of the team, and to an extent seeing that Charlton's plans for revolution, in terms of players, were not necessarily the way things ought to be.

Jack brought so many special days to Ireland, and put Irish football on the map, while engendering a very special love of the beautiful game in the country, but my recollection of events, 25 years ago, was the the consensus was the end of the line was reached. That being said, all should have been done to ensure that his exit was as mutually amicable as possible.


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Date Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 4:06pm
TJ is back! must be decent 5G out at the roundabout. 

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