Plans for All-Island League by 2021
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Topic: Plans for All-Island League by 2021
Posted By: Drumcondra 69er
Subject: Plans for All-Island League by 2021
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 9:37am
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More details on this in the papers today. This group weren't ready to go public just yet but got mentioned by Noel Mooney on an podcast last week and have had to react to that and start doing press. They're one of the stakeholders that the YBIG Mandate have met and have had ongoing engagement with. Their plans are well developed and very impressive although their timescales are very tight imo. Any thoughts from the LOI section of the board? https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/4256985/kieran-lucid-clubs-all-island-league/" rel="nofollow - https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/4256985/kieran-lucid-clubs-all-island-league/ https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/daniel-mcdonnell-kerrs-backing-and-fai-crisis-is-helping-allisland-plan-gain-traction-38254672.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/daniel-mcdonnell-kerrs-backing-and-fai-crisis-is-helping-allisland-plan-gain-traction-38254672.html https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/group-behind-an-allireland-league-believe-new-format-can-generate-10m-38254676.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/group-behind-an-allireland-league-believe-new-format-can-generate-10m-38254676.html https://www.the42.ie/kieran-lucid-all-island-league-proposal-4697749-Jun2019/" rel="nofollow - https://www.the42.ie/kieran-lucid-all-island-league-proposal-4697749-Jun2019/ ------------- Blog: http://afalsefirstxi.blogspot.ie/" rel="nofollow - A False First XI Twitter: @afalsefirstxi Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/afalsefirstxi/" rel="nofollow - A False First XI |
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Posted By: mandrake
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 10:00am
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linfield wont join , so some of the others in the north wont wont either... which will make it a 'semi - all ireland league' ... some teams in the north have too much to loose.. guaranteed euro spots every year ------------- Come on Irelind |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 10:04am
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I don't see any nordie papers running with it. Can't see it happening especially by 2021. 10 million prize money seems a bit far fetched. Would like to see it happen though. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... 97.6% chance this post will be replied to by Baldrick (source: PWC) |
Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 10:28am
| Don't like it at all, would mean smaller clubs like my own stuck in second or third divisions for extended periods of time, wouldn't be able to compete with the bigger clubs. |
Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 10:32am
| Is there any appetite in the north for this at all?? |
Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 10:51am
Northern clubs don't seem to care about Europe, also the north is losing a spot now anyway because they have been so poor -------------  YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
mandrake wrote:Posted By: Drumcondra 69er
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 11:06am
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More appetite in the North than down here apparently. If prize money at the top end is more than Euro money there's no way the likes of Linfield would pass that up. Smaller clubs would have a Division 1 North or South to compete in with a path to the top league which is more attractive than being a yo yo club at the moment. 14 teams in the top league including 5 from NI is only one less ROI club than in the top league at present. I believe the €10m is long term aim. Starting point is €3.7m through TV, sponsors and cross border initiative funding. Our advice was 2021 was too soon and another year or two would be needed to flesh it out. It's in the Irish papers today as the group met with Dan McDonnell, Mark McCadden, Johnny Ward and Neil O'Riordan yesterday. There was a piece in the Belfast Telegraph earlier in the week. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/ni-football-league-meet-with-proposers-of-new-allireland-league-as-fai-boss-advises-everything-is-on-the-table-38239854.html?fbclid=IwAR1GWg2lXR9UXD6-DHfX09D_YMQRb2YNyBot091UpimKXqy-AWOlRzHpf7o" rel="nofollow - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/ni-football-league-meet-with-proposers-of-new-allireland-league-as-fai-boss-advises-everything-is-on-the-table-38239854.html?fbclid=IwAR1GWg2lXR9UXD6-DHfX09D_YMQRb2YNyBot091UpimKXqy-AWOlRzHpf7o
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Posted By: adineen98
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 11:42am
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My only complaints would be regarding the proposed schedule, as I'd be in favour of a February-November season. I would also prefer to see the playoffs played across two legs in the clubs own grounds rather than a one leg tie in Dublin or Belfast. Other than that, I'm all for this; if it paves the way for a proper pyramid system on the island, let them begin work on it. It can't be worse than what we currently have.
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Posted By: AnCearrbhach
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 11:42am
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I think it's a fantastic idea and offers the best chance for the league to make a huge step forward. The money being sought is ambitious but we're currently operating not far off zero so anything would be a bonus. Branding and image would be very important, I don't think the potential for trouble is as high as people think but harsh fines or points penalties would need to be doled out if they did occur. Also games in the lesser stadiums should be limited for live coverage, seeing these grounds on telly is bad for the overall image regardless of the product on the pitch. ------------- Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
Posted By: Drumcondra 69er
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 11:51am
The NI clubs won't give up the Stephen's Day fixtures, they're their biggest of the season. It's fair enough. Compromise would have to be part of this. Potential for some great Christmas derby fixtures at the business end of the league. Season would start in April so only giving away Feb/Mar for Nov/Dec. Regular season would end 1st Jan. The play offs being a showpiece in a major ground is a positive imo and better than a two legged affair. Four clubs involved should generate good crowds plus casual interest. Look at the difference in attendance the cup final gets at present.
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Posted By: OohAah...
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 11:58am
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The prospect of this happening is too good. It has to be the future, the only way successful football structure in this country could work. But history tells is it wont work and vested interests will scupper it. Dont forget the FAI split from the IFA, but almost got back together albeit for the sake of one position someone had to give up on some board somewhere. It could be like a homecoming. Anyway both associations can exist. Its too exciting. It can be real can it? Picture big matches, big derbys. Big TV coverage across Britain and Ireland showing these matches. Picture Irish players wanting to be part of it all rather than wallow in the lower leagues in England. Without doubt it would be more blockbuster north and south than what We have. And if its successful you can see how it can only become bigger.
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Posted By: AnCearrbhach
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 12:09pm
If bray win the first division they would be in a pmay off with he sixth best team in the nifl to be in this. They are currently aiming for the 14th place to receive more money than one round of europa league would net you. I struggle to see a better way for you guys to compete legitimately, bearing in mind the last time you tried to play with the big boys you nearly went bust. Also I actually love the April-New Year's season, end of season games between big teams would be brilliant, and with the spilt you could prioritise rivalries and important ties for the Stephen's Day and NEW year's day ties. I think that's brilliant. ------------- Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 12:24pm
Fair point but don't see how this league isn't that exactly? No way €10m is feasible or sustainable, can't see how it would last or not end in tears. While the first season will have 9 LOI teams, who knows from there? We'd now not just be competing with Longford, Galway etc but also your Newry's and Larne's, not an overly attractive proposition for me.
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Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 12:28pm
not for me it isn't, much rather be in a league with six teams competing for four spots than this. At the minute we can compete at lower end of top tier or higher end of the bottom, in the new league we're likely scrapping around for years in the second tier. Great for the bigs teams, see zero benefit for the smaller ones - just the rich getting richer.
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Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 12:55pm
| You could just merge with Cabo!!!!! |
Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 12:58pm
Brayinteely FC, catchy
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Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 2:00pm
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14 teams is too many, the quality will be diluted. It seems great otherwise. ------------- Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands. |
Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 2:08pm
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Can't believe people like the idea of playoffs to decide the overall winner, what a load of sh*te. Nothing better than winning the league at home in front of your own fans, leave the day out for the cup final ------------- YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
Posted By: Tribesman91
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 2:43pm
| I think it's a great idea. I worry for Galway United though. If we don't make the cut for the Championship South, where do we play? |
Posted By: Stickittotheman
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 2:50pm
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It is a great idea and it may get support amongst teams like Cliftonville and Newry maybe even Larne who have a businessman in charge who could let his head rule his heart but as for the likes of Linfield, Crusaders, Ballymena, Ards, Carrick, Coleraine or even Glenavon and Glentoran supporting such a proposal would be highly unlikely. They are partitionists at heart. Happy to play in their wee country. An all island league would be another step towards a United Ireland and the Kerryman a secret Shinner. Sad but true. ------------- Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!! |
Posted By: Drumcondra 69er
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 3:01pm
Play offs are for promotion, not for the top league. ------------- Blog: http://afalsefirstxi.blogspot.ie/" rel="nofollow - A False First XI Twitter: @afalsefirstxi Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/afalsefirstxi/" rel="nofollow - A False First XI |
Posted By: mandrake
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 4:19pm
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it sounds good, and its got to be better than what we have , both sides... the setanta cup was great until linfield and the other 'big ' teams took their ball away... i know the nord dont care about europe but 3 entries and at least 240 k from uefa is better than potentialy one otwo of them scraping the last eufa cup spot.. have they lost a spot.. wow thats a kick in the goolies , spose thats what happens when they 'dont care' ------------- Come on Irelind |
Posted By: OnTheOneRoad
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 4:20pm
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there are a lot of issues to iron out. I also don't want to get too excited about something that has the potential to be truly transformative for Irish football because that idea just seems too much of a dream. But i am impressed by the idea thus far. ------------- No thank you Turkish......I'm sweet enough |
Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 8:30pm
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I'd love for this to happen for a whole host of reasons, all of which are a win win for all sides. ------------- It was far across the sea, When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
Posted By: thebronze14
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 8:36pm
| it's a great idea!a lot less travel for harps too. Doubt it will happen though |
Posted By: t_rAndy
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 8:56pm
| They still haven’t described how it can be one league with two associations with separate European places assigned to them though have they? |
Posted By: corkery
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 10:50pm
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The Irish league fans are already against it. ------------- 'The younger generation as in 17 -25 are certainly gayer than their predecessors. I think they may cause the extinction of the human race with their activities.'- Baldrick |
Posted By: mandrake
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2019 at 10:31am
they all voted to leave in brexit.. this is a back door in again ------------- Come on Irelind |
Posted By: BucksburnDandy
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 8:21pm
| As an outsider, I would be far more likely to tune into the likes of a Linfield v Shamrock Rovers or a Bohs v Cliftonville match than watching either league just now. An all-Ireland league should match the majority of clubs in Scotland in terms of stature and size, even in spite of the popularity of GAA. Hope this happens. |
Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 4:24pm
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First real meeting off all the stakeholders tonight. Be interesting to see the result ------------- "Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?" |
Posted By: Cabra Hoop
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 10:08pm
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Let me think about this, the working class northern protestant are most likely feeling a little isolated and vulnerable at the moment. I don't think they will be eager for this given the current prevailing political situation. Quite the opposite if truth be told. The last thing they'll support is anything with an all Ireland dimension. ------------- " BFC always gives me a laugh........ " |
Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 10:21pm
"Money talks and bullsh*t walks" ------------- "Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?" |
Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 11:36pm
Yep, as typified by this NI club chairman who tweeted this the other day: "Lots of media & PR around an All Ireland league, I
find the current proposals lack substance and are unrealistic, some of
our southern clubs joining @OfficialNIFL could be a way forward, we in
the north have a very progressive league and we should be weary of
tampering with it." Oh, wait. That particular Chairman was Gerard Lawlor of Cliftonville  Never mind, you can read more of what he thinks below: Cliftonville chairman Gerard Lawlor labels All-Island League idea as 'pipe dream'Cliftonville chairman Lawlor, who is also vice-chair of the the NI Football League, believes Irish League clubs should adopt a cautious approach. "I have met Kieran (Lucid) a number of times to hear the proposals and plans, and I am still struggling to understand how it would all work," Lawlor said. "There is no meat on the bones and I believe the idea is unrealistic at this moment in time. "We have a very good product here in the NI Football League. Our league is strong and highly competitive, crowds are increasing, and we are building momentum. "I just don't see why we should lose all that momentum by following this al-island idea that has very little substance behind it right now. "I am not sure there is an appetite from clubs in the NI Football League. Our member clubs have been invited to Thursday's meeting and some may attend, some might not. "I just have serious reservations over the idea, and I don't see where the revenue streams will come from to fund the league and the teams competing in it. "It is very much a non-runner as far as I am concerned. The grass may look greener, but it generally isn't." https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cliftonville-chairman-gerard-lawlor-labels-17126488" rel="nofollow - https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cliftonville-chairman-gerard-lawlor-labels-17126488 And as for the Orange bastards at Linfield, they're so implacably opposed to anything which smacks of "All-Ireland" that they're boycotting the whole thing entirely. No, wait, I've got that one wrong too. Seems they sent their General Manager along to the meeting tonight "to see what's on the table". Their GM is some fella called Pat Fenlon. Anyone on here ever heard of him? (Fortunately for Linfield, tonight's meeting didn't clash with this: https://www.newsletter.co.uk/sport/football/linfield-and-dundalk-ready-for-unite-the-union-champions-cup-clash-1-9110869" rel="nofollow - https://www.newsletter.co.uk/sport/football/linfield-and-dundalk-ready-for-unite-the-union-champions-cup-clash-1-9110869 ) |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 11:45pm
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Do you ever find yourself arguing with yourself Terrence? ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... 97.6% chance this post will be replied to by Baldrick (source: PWC) |
Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 11:51pm
Not so much arguing I would say, more that he writes an article and then quotes it back to himself when he finds himself disagreeing with himself. He will then add a picture of a cat or the like to cheer himself up. ------------- Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands. |
Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 1:26am
No, I only argue with people like 'Cabra Hoop'. You know, the poster who made an assumption about NI clubs being opposed to the concept of an AIL, without any knowledge or evidence of same. In other words, he pre-judged the situation. And if he/she needs a definition of "pre-judged", it can be found in any dictionary, next to "prejudiced".
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Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 1:32am
Any chance you could "play the ball", rather than the "man"? That is, was there anything within my post with which you disagree? I'll leave that with you. Meanwhile, if you need any more information on my point ("Protestant working-class" clubs in NI are not opposed to an AIL in principle), then you might care to read this from earlier today: Crusaders chief eager to see the plans for All-Island football revolutionCrusaders say they welcome ambitious plans to revitalise Irish League football and are keen to study details of the All-Island League proposal. Crusaders' grants and funding director Mark Langhammer will attend tonight's meeting and believes the proposal should be considered. "Crusaders FC, as a fan-owned and run club, would make any decision on an All-Island League through a decision of its members as a whole," said Langhammer. "We would take such a decision on footballing and sports-business grounds, not on political grounds. "The proposal for an island-wide league is strong on the commercial side and could be an attractive one in terms of football quality." More here: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/crusaders-chief-eager-to-see-the-plans-for-allisland-football-revolution-38626251.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/crusaders-chief-eager-to-see-the-plans-for-allisland-football-revolution-38626251.html |
Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 7:16am
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No, you’re a ****. ------------- Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands. |
Posted By: AnCearrbhach
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 7:52am
Good to hear positive reports coming from IL clubs last night. Hopefully we can start hearing some more concrete details soon. No much argument against it in my opinion. Golden opportunity for football in Ireland to take a huge step forward. ------------- Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
Posted By: oldbilly
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 9:12am
| Interesting stuff there territorial, seems from those quotes it’s cliftonville opposed and crusaders for on north Belfast anyway, not sure about this proposal at all myself, I’d like to see a single football league here but details and actual firm financial plans are a bit scarce? |
Posted By: AnCearrbhach
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 10:16am
To be fair you're not going to get concrete numbers ahead of time. Companies may declare interest but the bidding process will only begin in earnest once the league gets the go ahead. Pessimistic and optimistic figures were provided and the possibility of further growth shouldn't be discounted. The potential of the new league is something we could never create on our own even with the best brand managers in the world, it's certainly not something that will happen by changing the amount of teams, adding/removing splits and similar format changes. ------------- Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
Posted By: Devrozex
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 10:23am
Sounds like a 1980s pornstar from Cork.
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Posted By: Neil Armstrong
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 10:47am
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https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/linfield-and-glentoran-open-to-further-crossborder-league-talks-after-groundbreaking-dundalk-summit-38629875.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/linfield-and-glentoran-open-to-further-crossborder-league-talks-after-groundbreaking-dundalk-summit-38629875.html ------------- Ulster Champions 2020 our 40th Title. Take that all ye Moanaghan ***ts! |
Posted By: ncafc87
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 11:29am
| General gist from up north is that fans won't support it. |
Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 11:30am
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No change from their current league then! ------------- Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands. |
Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 11:31am
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Where are you seeing or hearing this? ------------- It was far across the sea, When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
Posted By: ncafc87
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 11:48am
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Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 11:49am
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Does the transport infrastructure exist on this island to allow away fans to travel in numbers to long distance away games - particularly on week nights? How would Cork fans get to Belfast and back for a 7:45pm kick off midweek? I could see the Dublin and Belfast clubs, Dundalk and Derry enjoying good attendances in this league, but how would the likes of Cork or Waterford get on with the travel involved?
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Posted By: ncafc87
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 11:49am
To be fair it's gradually improving and probably in its best state for the last 5 years anyway.
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Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 12:18pm
| Crusaders & Warrenpoint town representatives spoke fairly positively about it |
Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 12:26pm
This might sound overly simplistic, but don't schedule those type of midweek games for those clubs. ------------- Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic." |
Posted By: AnCearrbhach
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 12:49pm
Simple as that... current fixture list is randomised, AIL wouldn't be so some common sense could be provided.. For example Linfield will play Glentoran in Windsor on Stephen's Day. Ideally no midweek games would happen. ------------- Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
Posted By: FrankosHereNow
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 12:52pm
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Any word on the proposed season schedule? Doubt the Nordies would want to move to their season to the summer. Will UEFA agree to this also? ------------- YBIG Quiz Champion 2016, 2017 & 2018. As You Were Three in a row |
Posted By: AnCearrbhach
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 12:54pm
April to New Years. Best of both world's in my opinion and would argue it's better for us regardless of what happens with IL. ------------- Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
Posted By: Cabra Hoop
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 1:05pm
To add, i would love the competition to happen. The cross border competitions have always been popular with Rovers fans down through their various guises - we are the record holders in tournament victories (Surprise, Surprise).
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Posted By: SuperDave84
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 1:11pm
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If the clubs, leagues and associations agree, UEFA will agree. I can see where the objection is likely to come from though: there are currently 22 teams in the top division on both sides of the border. I doubt anyone is proposing a 22 team all island league, so there are going to be a few teams missing out. I can't see that the clubs in the bottom half of either league would be happy with a league smaller than 18 teams; it simply wouldn't have the votes to pass. However, some of the larger clubs may not agree that an 18 team league is viable; it will result in a smaller number of top-end matches, compared to the position at the minute, where top teams both sides of the border play each other four times a season. Going from Bohs v Rovers and Linfield v Glentoran up to four times each a season to only twice a season (and replacing them with games like Bohs v Dungannon Swifts and Linfield v Waterford) might not be popular with fans or the money men in the clubs. You could get around it with two divisions of 10 teams, north and south, where you play teams in your own division three times and those in the other division once, but that has three issues: firstly, what is the point; secondly, it results in 37 games (so every team either plays one extra home game or one extra away game); and thirdly, it leaves a tricky question over what you do with Derry City, as it would be a bit odd to have them in the same league as Northern teams but playing in the Southern division. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tony Cousins
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 1:41pm
I think the hammerings dished out by the Hoops to Linfield and Glentoran was the death knell for the Setanta. They won't fancy anymore of that.
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Posted By: ncafc87
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 2:14pm
Yeah thats probably a part of it, other gripes are the change to the calendar, the travel, the move from games no longer saturday at 3pm. As a i say the vibe i get is fans don't seem to back it however clubs are speaking favorably in comparison. I wonder will it fall down on this basis when clubs go to their members. Even taking clubs out of the equation both FA's need to agree i assume, what's their current stance? What even happens to teams which don't make either of the 3 leagues? Are they intermediate clubs as a result? Not sure I've seen anything on this. |
Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 2:34pm
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FAI are happy to let the clubs decide. LOI clubs will more than likely 100% back it, considering the other options on the table. It’ll more than likely come down to the IL clubs and if they want actual competition. I think Cabra Hoops comments are pretty much on the money
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Posted By: SuperDave84
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 3:14pm
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It will come down to money above all else. And the fact that games against local rivals will be replaced with games against teams from 100 miles or more away will see it fall apart, both from the point of view of supporters and the clubs. Find me a Bohs fan who would rather have a season with two games against Rovers and two against Dungannon Swifts, compared to four against Rovers. And similarly a Glentoran fan who would rather watch them play Pats than Linfield. It's a gamble on the unknown, hoping that an all-island league has greater importance and better finances than the separate leagues. And that's not to mention the UEFA dimension. UEFA prize money is absolutely massive for every club. Will an all-island league get eight European places? Will UEFA be happy to continue giving places to clubs both sides of the border, in one league? Will they be happy to have clubs from the all-island league getting more places than any other league in Europe? I wouldn't be so sure. If they aren't, I don't think the maths add up. UEFA prize money is worth over €1m to each league each season - if they lose half that money, it requires the all-island league to make a lot more money to make up for it. You'll have a hard time persuading any top half teams to vote to give up that money on the basis of hope rather than expectation. Teams at the top stand to lose out on UEFA money, teams at the bottom stand to lose out if the league is made smaller. It is very hard to see how you can persuade either side on this.
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Posted By: OohAah...
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 3:38pm
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Id expect if at all it thats its gonna be a runner, it will be staged. It wont be all or nothing So lets take the top 4 from each league to enter a cup/league competition with european place and prize money at stake. Thats just one possible solution. |
Posted By: OohAah...
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 3:39pm
| Distance can't be the problem. We already have Derry playing Cork, that's a bigger commute than cork-Belfast. |
Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 3:58pm
I thought there were Rules for this forum regarding personal abuse, staying on topic, treating others with respect, ad hominem attacks etc Or do they only apply on one side of the house?
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Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 4:01pm
Derry (or Cork, for that matter) cannot avoid that. The IL clubs can. Btw, Derry City Ladies play in the NIWFL. I imagine travel was a major factor: https://www.derrycityfc.net/women/" rel="nofollow - https://www.derrycityfc.net/women/ .
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Posted By: Cabra Hoop
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 4:23pm
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Despite my reservations of this ever coming to pass, if it was to happen my idea initially would be to run a tournament based over a short time frame and without domestic leagues being played concurrently. For the obvious financial and logisitical reasons, something along the lines of - The 22 team divided into 2 Conferences of 11 teams Both play-off winners qualify for Grand Final played in a
Neutral venue. In total there are 13 game days to be played over 6 weeks,
with a game every 4 days. Ideally it would be held with longer daylight hours to keep costs down ------------- " BFC always gives me a laugh........ " |
Posted By: gspain
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 4:44pm
You are correct re the importance European money. However it is even more than you think. Dundalk and Linfield would have bagged more than that each this year. Winning the league will become even more lucrative with this third competition. Hence the importance of a TV deal and other revenue streams if this league is to fly. |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 5:43pm
Terry have you ever eaten southern EIRE Tayto? If so what was the verdict? I was in San Diego once and there was a shop claiming to sell all things Irish and advertised EIRE tayto in the photo in the newspaper. When I got to said shop they had them yellow nordie Tayto. Wasn't too impressed. I'd recommend Frosties chewy cola sweets if you ever get a chance to ingest some. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... 97.6% chance this post will be replied to by Baldrick (source: PWC) |
Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 5:48pm
Direct quotation by Glentoran Director Graham Jenkins, who attended the meeting and emerged with positive words: "We would be interested in looking at an All-Ireland league.
Interestingly we participated in the Setanta Cup for nine years and it
failed. We were one of the clubs that took it seriously, we had lots of
fans that travelled all over Ireland, to Cork and to Sligo, and it
wasn't reciprocated by a lot of the southern based clubs." https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/linfield-and-glentoran-open-to-further-crossborder-league-talks-after-groundbreaking-dundalk-summit-38629875.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/linfield-and-glentoran-open-to-further-crossborder-league-talks-after-groundbreaking-dundalk-summit-38629875.html I may be wrong, but ISTR that the competition fizzled out after the prize money had to be reduced (also the number of games?) which, along with falling crowds, meant it became more trouble than it was worth.
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Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 5:50pm
Do you have anything of substance, relevance or interest to say about the proposed AIL? If not, I have no interest in your ramblings.
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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 5:52pm
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Well if there was an AIL people would have to suffer through bags of nordie Tayto when going away up north. Have the chairmen of southern clubs thought of this? ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... 97.6% chance this post will be replied to by Baldrick (source: PWC) |
Posted By: Tribesman91
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 6:26pm
| Not to mention their sh*te green Buckfast! |
Posted By: BrendanD88
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 9:37pm
No harm to ye but the buckfast up North is far superior to the one down South.
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Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 9:59pm
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Posted By: gufct
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2019 at 3:29pm
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BREAKING: In a statement the Irish Football Association has confirmed that it will not sanction any of its member clubs to take part in an all-island (All-Ireland) Football League as proposed by Irish businessman Kieran Lucid. ------------- One City,One County,One Club GUFC will be back. |
Posted By: gmfc90
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2019 at 3:55pm
Ulster says no! ------------- Danger here, OH NO |
Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2019 at 3:56pm
Turkeys and Christmas springs to mind. A real shame ------------- "Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?" |
Posted By: Tony Cousins
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2019 at 4:15pm
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Good. Why should we destroy our own league competitions to create a league that would have only had a shelf life of a few years at best as the nordies would run away again after the first few hammerings.
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Posted By: Twoinarow
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2019 at 4:22pm
Our leaague cant get much worse in fairness. Unless Dundalk and Rovers have a monumental f**k up off field, both cluba be winning moat trophies for forseeable future. ------------- 2 in a row and we won it in Tallaght |
Posted By: Tribesman91
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2019 at 8:57pm
| How long is it since Lucid started this project? How has he still not got any information on sponsors and broadcasters to inform the clubs by now? The fact that he's not investing his own money nor willing to be involved once it's up and running would suggest he doesn't fully believe in it himself. Two pub leagues on the island for the foreseeable future |
Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2019 at 12:18pm
Why let the facts get in the way of a good story, eh? "When Linfield won the first staging of the competition in 2005, the
total pot was €350,000. In 2014, €73,000 will be shared out with €33,000 to the winners (down from €50,000 last year) and just €4,500 for clubs
that depart in the quarter or semi-finals in a tournament that has been
reduced from 12 to eight teams." https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/heavy-blow-for-setanta-cup-as-belfast-pair-refuse-to-take-part-29823461.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/heavy-blow-for-setanta-cup-as-belfast-pair-refuse-to-take-part-29823461.html The considerably reduced prize money was the chief reason why Linfield decided not to participate in 2014, the final year of a competition which they had previously won, along with the scheduling difficulties caused by a tournament starting in the Spring, when the long IL winter season was reaching its climax. (The v.onerous restrictions placed on their travelling support didn't endear the competition to a member-owned club, either) As for Cliftonville, the reigning IL champions, their statement read: “Cliftonville Football Club were pleased to receive an invitation to
compete in the 2014 Setanta Sports Cup but, amid an already heavy
footballing schedule, which began with the Champions League in July, we
have decided not to take up the invitation this season.” Cliftonville had beaten Pats home and away in 2012 and only went out to Shams on penalties in the next round. And if hammerings were a factor, these followed the IL clubs losing enthusiasm and fielding weakened teams etc, at least as much as the other way round. What was Drogheda United's excuse in the 2013 final, when they lost 7-1 to Shamrock Rovers? Nor were there too many hammerings in 2012, won (ahem) by Crusaders.
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Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2019 at 1:05pm
There's the thing. While he does appear to have consulted/involved a number of people when drawing up his proposals, almost all of these were from ROI, alongside just a few from elsewhere. So that it was only after he had finalised his plans that he presented them to the NI clubs. That is hardly a good way to get people on your side, is it? And that's before we got to the position of the rest of the "football family" in NI, primarily the fans. I mean, if such a tournament were ever going to get off the ground, it is essential that the fans buy into it, literally and figuratively, by attending matches and watching on TV. What effort did Lucid make to consult fans in NI beforehand? None that I'm aware of, though when I heard of what he was suggesting, I emailed him with some own observations of my own - supportive in principle, but expressing some reservations in practice. Tbf, he did reply, but rather than addressing my points, he just sent some generic guff looking for stories about great personalites and matches from the IL and LOI in the past - presumably to add a bit of "colour" for his PR Agency to work with.
And there's that as well - if nothing else, a convenient hook for doubters to hang their coat on.
There's a lot of truth in that, it cannot be denied. But while the LOI is clearly superior to the IL in a number of important respects - standard of play, crowds, European competition, full-time status etc - it is remiss to underestimate the attachment the IL clubs have to our own strengths and recent progress. For example, we have a wider geographical spread throughout NI than appears to be the case for the (Dublin, eastwards dominated) LOI. And our clubs are generally much more stable financially than many of the LOI clubs, who often go into administration, or need to be baled out by a sugar daddy, or even disappear entirely. We have a thriving pyramid, from Junior to Intermediate, to the Championship, to the Premier, with plans for further improvements: https://www.irishfa.com/irish-football-association/intermediate-football-restructure-project" rel="nofollow - https://www.irishfa.com/irish-football-association/intermediate-football-restructure-project Compare that with the LOI First Division! Which leads on to another problem. This new AIL would have a summer season. Which is fine for the participating Northern clubs, plus maybe the 2nd tier, but it would cut off the rest of the pyramid from the third tier down, who would still operate a winter season. Plus our stadia and facilities are on average as good as those in the LOI, with a huge Government cash injection waiting, should those useless bastards at Stormont ever decide to do their jobs, eg https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/glentoran/glentoran-given-green-light-for-9-2m-8000-capacity-oval-34740961.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/glentoran/glentoran-given-green-light-for-9-2m-8000-capacity-oval-34740961.html (I say "on average", since Cork, Tallaght and Derry obviously stand out in the LOI). Plus crowds are steadily increasing year-on-year, some clubs are moving towards f-t status, the IL prize money is more than the LOI (and fairly distributed) and we're now beginning to take Europe more seriously since the participation money increased. All of which means Lucid's timing is a few years too late i.e. the IL clubs would have been much more receptive when things were notably worse in our league.
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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2019 at 2:10pm
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Was he having Lucid dreams? ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... 97.6% chance this post will be replied to by Baldrick (source: PWC) |
Posted By: mandrake
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2019 at 2:11pm
we were playing into the wind and rain in the first half it was VERY WINDY n and VERY wet, i think we let in 5 by half time.... ------------- Come on Irelind |
Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 4:13pm
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Looking forward to the trip up to Windsor later, not the same buzz about it as there would have been if we had to win the cup. Match in on premier sports for anyone that's interested ------------- YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 7:41pm
| Seems to be a terrible crowd. Roy Carroll on co commentary and he sounds like tremendous fun altogether |
Posted By: bogball88
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 8:57pm
Only turned on there and was wondering who it was. Such an accent
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Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 9:00pm
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Posted By: bogball88
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 9:02pm
Harsh
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Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 9:08pm
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Posted By: Cabra Hoop
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 9:27pm
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A goal apiece. Match not even listed in RTE Sport fixtures....heroes are back from the orient ------------- " BFC always gives me a laugh........ " |
Posted By: doherty
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 11:33pm
| Why is Vinny Perth repeatedly saying he thinks Windsor is the best venue in Ireland. Even he dosent believe that. Ya best venue in Ireland says he who just came away from the game with more than three quarter's of the stadium empty. Maybe it was the atmosphere that mesmerized him. |
Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 9:43am
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I see Linfield didn't miss the opportunity to show their support for Soldier F. Any one shed any light on the 'Few unnecessary chants from both sets of fans' that Dan McDonnell tweeted about. ------------- It was far across the sea, When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 10:44am
Other than an attempt at God Save Lizzie, I couldn’t really understand anything being sung by the brethren
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Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 12:52pm
Having been there last night, it’s a great venue, a brilliant redevelopment since last time I was there. It might not be as big as Lansdowne road but it has a muncher better feel about it. I’m not sure what the attendance has got to do with it being a great venue though? Maybe you could explain? ------------- YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
Posted By: Twoinarow
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 2:26pm
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Their was 2800 at the game, 300 more than Linfields average attendance on a night they dont usually play. Id be delighted with 2800 Monday in Oriel Greaf stadium, police and stewards 100% (far betteer than amy LOI away game) Few clowns on both sides, our lads had a IRA flag so il not complain about any Linfield flags/songs. Was like a Celtic Rangers game at times. I.fear Monday will be worse for chants especially as cameras and mics are Shed Side ------------- 2 in a row and we won it in Tallaght |
Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 3:55pm
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RTE showing 2nd leg tonight, KO 7:05pm, poor Linfield fans in for a bit of a soaking by the looks of it ------------- YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 3:56pm
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RTE showing 2nd leg tonight, KO 7:05pm, poor Linfield fans in for a bit of a soaking by the looks of it ------------- YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
Posted By: mandrake
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 4:41pm
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i was there with drogheda during our setanta cup games , well policed no hassle good ground even then.. but as usual its always the celtic and rangers heads who mess it up, in fact when linfield played in derry it was celtic top who caused trouble outside the ground |(according to a poster on here at the time),, and when linfield played in utd park people turned up with tri colors i had never seen before , probably same tonite in oriel pk ------------- Come on Irelind |
Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 4:56pm
How were you able to correctly identify that they were Celtic and Rangers supporters? ------------- It was far across the sea, When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
Posted By: oldbilly
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 6:02pm
| probably because they looked like inbred neanderthals |