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Topic: Ireland v Denmark match thread
Posted By: Double Maxim
Subject: Ireland v Denmark match thread
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:20am
Will MON bring David Meyler back into the team on Tuesday?

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Posted By: stokeirish
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 8:19am
I’d imagine he should do. I hope so!


Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 8:21am
Originally posted by stokeirish stokeirish wrote:

I’d imagine he should do. I hope so!
 
 
You over in Dublin for the match?


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Posted By: stokeirish
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 8:22am
Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Originally posted by stokeirish stokeirish wrote:

I’d imagine he should do. I hope so!
 
 

You over in Dublin for the match?


I am mate. Will be my sons first game to so really looking forward to it. Going to be a nervous night!


Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 8:26am
Originally posted by stokeirish stokeirish wrote:

Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Originally posted by stokeirish stokeirish wrote:

I’d imagine he should do. I hope so!
 
 

You over in Dublin for the match?


I am mate. Will be my sons first game to so really looking forward to it. Going to be a nervous night!
 
 
Should be a cracking atmosphere here's hoping its a memorable debut for the little fella.  


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Posted By: Pauldaly1984
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 8:27am
Meyler and long in. O dowda and murphy out. I'd push hendrick up and keep Wes on bench until half hour to go. Thought last night was calling out for mcgeady. Wouldn't mind him starting on Tuesday. The only man who can get a hold of the call and bring it forward with him in a controlled fashion. When mcclean does it it's usually just through pace.


Posted By: Banjaxed
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 8:27am
Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Will MON bring David Meyler back into the team on Tuesday?


Who's dropping out so?


Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 8:31am
Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Will MON bring David Meyler back into the team on Tuesday?


Who's dropping out so?
 
 
O'Dowda?


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Posted By: Banjaxed
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 8:35am
Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Will MON bring David Meyler back into the team on Tuesday?


Who's dropping out so?
 
 

O'Dowda?


Meyler, Hendrick and Arter in a home game we need to score?

I can't see Meyler getting back in. It's O'Dowda's place up for grabs, but surely will be offensive player getting the nod.


Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 8:39am
Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Will MON bring David Meyler back into the team on Tuesday?


Who's dropping out so?
 
 

O'Dowda?


Meyler, Hendrick and Arter in a home game we need to score?

I can't see Meyler getting back in. It's O'Dowda's place up for grabs, but surely will be offensive player getting the nod.
 
 
See what you are saying perhaps  Hendrick could play in a moe advanced role?


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Posted By: CSCD
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:20am
Any injuries left over from last night?

I thought Hendrick looked awkward when walking off.


Posted By: Pauldaly1984
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:49am
100% meyler will be in and probably captain.


Posted By: E2016
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:59am
Hendrick should lose out before Arter. Arter has been top class the last 2 games. Brady again would be lucky to keep his place. No patience left with him.

Like to see Wes start - when he is named in the lineup it boosts the fans and players alike.


Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:02am
Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Hendrick should lose out before Arter. Arter has been top class the last 2 games. Brady again would be lucky to keep his place. No patience left with him.

Like to see Wes start - when he is named in the lineup it boosts the fans and players alike.
 
 
Brady's dead ball kicking has been poor.


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Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:02am
Meyler, Long and Wes in for Hendrick, O'Dowda and Murphy. Put Wes in where Brady plays and Brady out to the wing .


Posted By: stokeirish
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:03am
Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Originally posted by stokeirish stokeirish wrote:

Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Originally posted by stokeirish stokeirish wrote:

I’d imagine he should do. I hope so!
 

 


You over in Dublin for the match?


I am mate. Will be my sons first game to so really looking forward to it. Going to be a nervous night!
 
 

Should be a cracking atmosphere here's hoping its a memorable debut for the little fella.  


Hoping he is a good luck charm mate! 😂


Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:08am
Originally posted by stokeirish stokeirish wrote:

Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Originally posted by stokeirish stokeirish wrote:

Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Originally posted by stokeirish stokeirish wrote:

I’d imagine he should do. I hope so!
 

 


You over in Dublin for the match?


I am mate. Will be my sons first game to so really looking forward to it. Going to be a nervous night!
 
 

Should be a cracking atmosphere here's hoping its a memorable debut for the little fella.  


Hoping he is a good luck charm mate! 😂
 
 
Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Mr. Snrub
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:15am
Originally posted by dubstep dubstep wrote:

Meyler, Long and Wes in for Hendrick, O'Dowda and Murphy. Put Wes in where Brady plays and Brady out to the wing .


This has to be the team! Hendrick was dire again last night

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Posted By: TonyNotJack
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:22am
Can't see Wes playing because of the away goal situation.Playing him is a higher risk game where the opposition get more of the ball in dangerous areas.MON said after the game last night, if Denmark score an away goal they'll be thinking it might be a long way back for us. He also mentioned maybe needing to score two. Would love us to play Wes and try to do that, but MON's game plan will probably be to try and keep it incredibly tight, don't concede an away goal and win 1-0. Meyler will play as whenever he's played recently we look a better team. 


Posted By: randydaza
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:23am
Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Originally posted by dubstep dubstep wrote:

Meyler, Long and Wes in for Hendrick, O'Dowda and Murphy. Put Wes in where Brady plays and Brady out to the wing .


This has to be the team! Hendrick was dire again last night

Hendrick was completely anonymous last night, genuinely forgot he was playing until he got taken off.


Posted By: gazurtoids
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:33am
Originally posted by randydaza randydaza wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Originally posted by dubstep dubstep wrote:

Meyler, Long and Wes in for Hendrick, O'Dowda and Murphy. Put Wes in where Brady plays and Brady out to the wing .


This has to be the team! Hendrick was dire again last night

Hendrick was completely anonymous last night, genuinely forgot he was playing until he got taken off.


Both him and Brady have regressed badly.....I don't follow Burnley much, do they play regularly


Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:40am
Tbf to Hendrick his job wasn't to get on the ball last night. He was quiet it that sense as you'd expect, but he did a solid enough defensive job. Brady was one of the few players who got on the ball on a few occasions and took on Danish players, his performance was decent I thought.

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Posted By: randydaza
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:45am
Originally posted by gazurtoids gazurtoids wrote:

Originally posted by randydaza randydaza wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Originally posted by dubstep dubstep wrote:

Meyler, Long and Wes in for Hendrick, O'Dowda and Murphy. Put Wes in where Brady plays and Brady out to the wing .


This has to be the team! Hendrick was dire again last night

Hendrick was completely anonymous last night, genuinely forgot he was playing until he got taken off.


Both him and Brady have regressed badly.....I don't follow Burnley much, do they play regularly

Both start for Burnley and play well in the system Dyche has them playing. Completely different players when they pull on the green jersey. Whether that's due to MON or not is another question.


Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:51am
Thing is with Hendrick he has popped up with so many bits of magic for us at vital times he is sort od undroppable at the moment as it's usually him who is involved when we score vital goals. Germany away for O'Shea, Georgia at home last campaign and Wales away were 3 massive moments for us .


Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 11:05am
——-—-Randolph
Christie-Clark-Duffy-Ward
————Meyler
—Brady———-Arter
————Wes
——Long——McClean

Go back to the diamond that previously brought us success.

Only way Wes starts is if the midfield behind him can do the dirty work - and that one can. McClean on paper starts up front, but realistically will play wide.

Think this is the team.

Get in their faces early on, get the crowd going and we’ll rattle these lads, not one pair of balls between the 11 men in that Danish team.


Posted By: Gonad
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 11:39am
Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

——-—-Randolph
Christie-Clark-Duffy-Ward
————Meyler
—Brady———-Arter
————Wes
——Long——McClean

Go back to the diamond that previously brought us success.

Only way Wes starts is if the midfield behind him can do the dirty work - and that one can. McClean on paper starts up front, but realistically will play wide.

Think this is the team.

Get in their faces early on, get the crowd going and we’ll rattle these lads, not one pair of balls between the 11 men in that Danish team.
good team . Would go with this myself . Knowing MON it will be completely different


Posted By: BriMurt
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 11:41am
I wonder if part of Ireland's relatively poor home form is due to the Aviva being a state of the art pitch that's spacious and smooth, allowing technical players on the other side to play to their utmost.


Posted By: Ibaraki
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 11:54am
Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:


Get in their faces early on, get the crowd going and we’ll rattle these lads, not one pair of balls between the 11 men in that Danish team.


They won't fancy playing in front of the intimidating singing section in the Aviva. When they see the big flags and hear the bell ringing, they'll crumble.


Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by Ibaraki Ibaraki wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:


Get in their faces early on, get the crowd going and we’ll rattle these lads, not one pair of balls between the 11 men in that Danish team.


They won't fancy playing in front of the intimidating singing section in the Aviva. When they see the big flags and hear the bell ringing, they'll crumble.


The atmosphere in Lansdowne cant be any worse than what the Danes offered up last night to be fair.



Posted By: Strazdas
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 12:55pm
There's way too much talk about the away goal and too much fear of it.

I was looking through the play off results for WCs and Euros from over the years last night and these ties are rarely if ever decided by by an away goal : two drawn matches between the same two teams are extremely rare too. One team nearly always seizes the initiative in the play offs and wins one of the matches.


Posted By: Zinedine Kilbane 110
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 12:59pm
Lads, we are not going to go all out attack at home.
It's going to be another predictable long ball and defensive approach.
The plan will be to keep it tight and nick a goal to get us to Russia.
It's going to be very nervy game with so much at stake. It may go to ET.

The back 5 remains the same.
Meylor / Arter / McClean start.
Either Murphy or Long.
Then it's two from O'Dowda/McGeady/Hendricks/Wes/Brady.
I would like to see McGeady and Hendricks start. Brady has been poor and Wes to come on later.

We are in such a fantastic position now. CYBIG!!!

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Posted By: gazurtoids
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

There's way too much talk about the away goal and too much fear of it.

I was looking through the play off results for WCs and Euros from over the years last night and these ties are rarely if ever decided by by an away goal : two drawn matches between the same two teams are extremely rare too. One team nearly always seizes the initiative in the play offs and wins one of the matches.


That might be true .....but is there any other International team who rely on 1:0 more than this Ireland team, it's a precarious position for a team who never win by big margins


Posted By: Healy52003
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 1:25pm
It's going to be a long 2 days but my god it will be a nerve wrecking game Tuesday. Personally can't see us scoring 2 if Denmark score first but at least we have no suspensions


Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 1:30pm
It will be kept tight. I would expect to see a similar team to the one that started against Wales, but with a little more licence. I think MON might feel slightly burned by the approach taken against Serbia, and will try to strike the balance.


Posted By: FrankosHereNow
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 1:39pm
I could see this going the distance.


If Denmark score, we're f**ked. When was the last time we scored two against a decentish team? Israel 2005? Netherlands 2000?

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Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 1:42pm
Bosnia and Serbia


Posted By: FrankosHereNow
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by dubstep dubstep wrote:

Bosnia and Serbia
whoops

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Posted By: BriMurt
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 1:51pm
Ireland can't beat a half decent team at home by two goals because any team Ireland can do that to we conveniently decide must be sh*te, after the fact. LOL


Posted By: Strazdas
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by gazurtoids gazurtoids wrote:

Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

There's way too much talk about the away goal and too much fear of it.

I was looking through the play off results for WCs and Euros from over the years last night and these ties are rarely if ever decided by by an away goal : two drawn matches between the same two teams are extremely rare too. One team nearly always seizes the initiative in the play offs and wins one of the matches.


That might be true .....but is there any other International team who rely on 1:0 more than this Ireland team, it's a precarious position for a team who never win by big margins

I would definitely agree that our low scoring and tight defence would leave us more open to the away goal sucker punch than many other teams. I still think we'll see an outright winner in the match on Tuesday though, usually one team shows the bottle to come good and finish off the tie - hopefully it's us.


Posted By: GB 1HughJarse
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 2:05pm
Hendrick......not Hendricks


Posted By: Gary McKay
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 2:20pm
Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse GB 1HughJarse wrote:

Hendrick......not Hendricks

Gin !!!

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Posted By: Denis Irwin
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 2:23pm
If this goes to penos is it the old format that's used ABAB or is it the ABBA format used ?

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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

If this goes to penos is it the old format that's used ABAB or is it the ABBA format used ?


Not sure but it's winner takes it all anyway. Fancy it could be Ireland's Waterloo

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Posted By: willmcc83
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 2:32pm
Might put a bet on it going to penalties

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Posted By: adineen98
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 2:47pm
I couldn't take two penalty shootouts in two weeks, my nerves aren't able for it

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Posted By: stokeirish
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 2:57pm
Got to be mindful of the away goal rule but not scared about it. We have to show some ambition on Tuesday and at our place, go for it. Hope and trust we will see a more attacking outlook on Tuesday


Posted By: GUFC_Andy
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 3:11pm
Either ireland or Denmark to win on penalties is 25/1 with PP. Worth a bet surely

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Posted By: Strazdas
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 3:15pm
Originally posted by GUFC_Andy GUFC_Andy wrote:

Either ireland or Denmark to win on penalties is 25/1 with PP. Worth a bet surely

I doubt it myself. To the best of my knowledge, no European play off (WC or Euros) has ever gone to penalties and even extra time is a complete rarity.


Posted By: okidoki987
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 4:35pm
Originally posted by GUFC_Andy GUFC_Andy wrote:

Either ireland or Denmark to win on penalties is 25/1 with PP. Worth a bet surely

Shouldn't that read "Ireland or Denmark to qualify....25/1" instead of "either" at the start?
If it's "either to qualify on penos, it's a 12/1 shot, coupled odds which is roughly 6/1 for a 0-0 draw and then 10/11 for 0-0 in extra time.
Wouldn't disagree with the logic though.


Posted By: okidoki987
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 4:37pm
Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

If this goes to penos is it the old format that's used ABAB or is it the ABBA format used ?

Aren't all penalty shootouts "ABBA" now?


Posted By: lassassinblanc
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 5:09pm
Originally posted by okidoki987 okidoki987 wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

If this goes to penos is it the old format that's used ABAB or is it the ABBA format used ?


Aren't all penalty shootouts "ABBA" now?


The winner will take it all regardless


Posted By: ABFC
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 5:34pm
Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by okidoki987 okidoki987 wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

If this goes to penos is it the old format that's used ABAB or is it the ABBA format used ?


Aren't all penalty shootouts "ABBA" now?


The winner will take it all regardless


We might take a chance and go for a win


Posted By: raclle
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 5:50pm
Originally posted by TonyNotJack TonyNotJack wrote:

Can't see Wes playing because of the away goal situation.Playing him is a higher risk game where the opposition get more of the ball in dangerous areas.MON said after the game last night, if Denmark score an away goal they'll be thinking it might be a long way back for us. He also mentioned maybe needing to score two. Would love us to play Wes and try to do that, but MON's game plan will probably be to try and keep it incredibly tight, don't concede an away goal and win 1-0. Meyler will play as whenever he's played recently we look a better team. 
This!


Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 6:25pm
NI, with inferior players and against a better opposition, showing that it's possible to play a mixture of long-ball and good football tonight against the Swiss. No reason we can't do similarly against Denmark on Tuesday.

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Posted By: pepper67
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:01pm
got to give the north credit...


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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

NI, with inferior players and against a better opposition, showing that it's possible to play a mixture of long-ball and good football tonight against the Swiss. No reason we can't do similarly against Denmark on Tuesday.


They went out though. Would.rather we play sh*te and go.through

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Posted By: doherty
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:11pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

NI, with inferior players and against a better opposition, showing that it's possible to play a mixture of long-ball and good football tonight against the Swiss. No reason we can't do similarly against Denmark on Tuesday.


They went out though. Would.rather we play sh*te and go.through
why not aspire to play well and still go through.


Posted By: Icy Bread People
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:12pm
The Swiss are far better than Denmark. Fair play to NI, nearly did it, with a supposedly less talented team than ours, but I swear they seem to play better football than us any time I see them play. 


Posted By: Denis Irwin
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:14pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

NI, with inferior players and against a better opposition, showing that it's possible to play a mixture of long-ball and good football tonight against the Swiss. No reason we can't do similarly against Denmark on Tuesday.


They went out though. Would.rather we play sh*te and go.through






Playing sh*te and getting the result > playing well and not getting the result

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Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:19pm
Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

NI, with inferior players and against a better opposition, showing that it's possible to play a mixture of long-ball and good football tonight against the Swiss. No reason we can't do similarly against Denmark on Tuesday.


They went out though. Would.rather we play sh*te and go.through
why not aspire to play well and still go through.


Can't believe O'Neill or any other professional football manager that's ever managed never thought of that statement of the obvious.

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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:25pm
All comes down to risk and reward. Last two managers we have had have come to the belief that if we get it down and pass it in midfield we are risking getting caught out at the back. As a result they play low risk football by keeping our shape and never passing into midfield. It's why we play out best stuff when we are behind as we then do risk it. Not the wag I would do it but as a supporter I want us to qualify so no morale victories.

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Posted By: Strazdas
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by Icy Bread People Icy Bread People wrote:

The Swiss are far better than Denmark. Fair play to NI, nearly did it, with a supposedly less talented team than ours, but I swear they seem to play better football than us any time I see them play. 

NI gave it a great go tonight and nearly grabbed the away goal.

I'm sure though we'll see a lot more attacking football from us on Tuesday. There's no way we'll have 28% possession in a home play off.


Posted By: stokeirish
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:30pm
Originally posted by Icy Bread People Icy Bread People wrote:

The Swiss are far better than Denmark. Fair play to NI, nearly did it, with a supposedly less talented team than ours, but I swear they seem to play better football than us any time I see them play. 


On a par i would say. Swiss are to toothless in attack. Woeful in front of goal and should have won the tie very comfortably


Posted By: raclle
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:32pm
Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

NI, with inferior players and against a better opposition, showing that it's possible to play a mixture of long-ball and good football tonight against the Swiss. No reason we can't do similarly against Denmark on Tuesday.


They went out though. Would.rather we play sh*te and go.through


Playing sh*te and getting the result > playing well and not getting the result

Embarrassed

Flawed logic!

Who says we wont get the result playing well?

Playing well creates more chances.

Playing sh*te creates danger.



Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:34pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

NI, with inferior players and against a better opposition, showing that it's possible to play a mixture of long-ball and good football tonight against the Swiss. No reason we can't do similarly against Denmark on Tuesday.


They went out though. Would.rather we play sh*te and go.through


They went out via an atrocious decision. They took on the Swiss and almost got the better of them away from home. It certainly worked better for them than their ultra-conservative approach did in the home leg.

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Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:42pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

NI, with inferior players and against a better opposition, showing that it's possible to play a mixture of long-ball and good football tonight against the Swiss. No reason we can't do similarly against Denmark on Tuesday.


They went out though. Would.rather we play sh*te and go.through


They went out via an atrocious decision. They took on the Swiss and almost got the better of them away from home. It certainly worked better for them than their ultra-conservative approach did in the home leg.

The Swiss should’ve won tonight by 3 or 4.


Posted By: Icy Bread People
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

t and nearly grabbed the away goal.

I'm sure though we'll see a lot more attacking football from us on Tuesday. There's no way we'll have 28% possession in a home play off.

maybe not 28% but we'll probably have 35 or 40 at best


Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:52pm
Originally posted by raclle raclle wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

NI, with inferior players and against a better opposition, showing that it's possible to play a mixture of long-ball and good football tonight against the Swiss. No reason we can't do similarly against Denmark on Tuesday.


They went out though. Would.rather we play sh*te and go.through


Playing sh*te and getting the result > playing well and not getting the result

Embarrassed

Flawed logic!

Who says we wont get the result playing well?

Playing well creates more chances.

Playing sh*te creates danger.




Of course playing well does, but you don't decide to play well or play poorly you decide to take risks or not. If you break it down, playing "well" usually means getting it down playing through midfield and or pushing on against the other team and putting them under pressure. However all of that carries a risk esp with our centre backs who lack real pace. If you push up that is more likely to be exposed so it's all about judgement calls.

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Posted By: doherty
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 8:07pm
Ffs are we been brainwashed into thinking that if we start passing to each other we will start getting opened up at will. Look at last night, we had one real chance on goal. Christie making a good run. apart from that not a single thing. Its depressing.


Posted By: raclle
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by raclle raclle wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

NI, with inferior players and against a better opposition, showing that it's possible to play a mixture of long-ball and good football tonight against the Swiss. No reason we can't do similarly against Denmark on Tuesday.


They went out though. Would.rather we play sh*te and go.through


Playing sh*te and getting the result > playing well and not getting the result

Embarrassed

Flawed logic!

Who says we wont get the result playing well?

Playing well creates more chances.

Playing sh*te creates danger.




Of course playing well does, but you don't decide to play well or play poorly you decide to take risks or not. If you break it down, playing "well" usually means getting it down playing through midfield and or pushing on against the other team and putting them under pressure. However all of that carries a risk esp with our centre backs who lack real pace. If you push up that is more likely to be exposed so it's all about judgement calls.
The Danes have no pace up front.
Us playing well means higher line and pressure with support play which we haven't done since the Euros.
Its a very thin line how we've been playing throughout this campaign.


Posted By: GB 1HughJarse
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:05pm
Ed on the footballrankingsinfo website has issued a new prediction after 1st leg.

Denmark to qualify
Before 1st leg: 51%
Now after 1st leg: 45%

Ireland to qualify
Before 1st leg: 42%
Now after 1st leg: 47%

PSO: 8%

YBIG


Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:07pm
Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse GB 1HughJarse wrote:

Ed on the footballrankingsinfo website has issued a new prediction after 1st leg.

Denmark to qualify
Before 1st leg: 51%
Now after 1st leg: 45%

Ireland to qualify
Before 1st leg: 42%
Now after 1st leg: 47%

PSO: 8%

YBIG


What does PSO mean?

Don’t buy into this to be honest, the Danes were huge mathematical favourites in the first leg, and look how that turned out.


Posted By: GB 1HughJarse
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse GB 1HughJarse wrote:

Ed on the footballrankingsinfo website has issued a new prediction after 1st leg.

Denmark to qualify
Before 1st leg: 51%
Now after 1st leg: 45%

Ireland to qualify
Before 1st leg: 42%
Now after 1st leg: 47%

PSO: 8%

YBIG


What does PSO mean?

Don’t buy into this to be honest, the Danes were huge mathematical favourites in the first leg, and look how that turned out.


PSO: Penalty shoot out


Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:10pm
Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse GB 1HughJarse wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse GB 1HughJarse wrote:

Ed on the footballrankingsinfo website has issued a new prediction after 1st leg.

Denmark to qualify
Before 1st leg: 51%
Now after 1st leg: 45%

Ireland to qualify
Before 1st leg: 42%
Now after 1st leg: 47%

PSO: 8%

YBIG


What does PSO mean?

Don’t buy into this to be honest, the Danes were huge mathematical favourites in the first leg, and look how that turned out.


PSO: Penalty shoot out


Let’s hope it doesn’t get to that then! Although imagine the exstacy of a win in one though.

How likely would a pitch invasion be if we managed a shout out win?


Posted By: lassassinblanc
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by raclle raclle wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by raclle raclle wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

NI, with inferior players and against a better opposition, showing that it's possible to play a mixture of long-ball and good football tonight against the Swiss. No reason we can't do similarly against Denmark on Tuesday.


They went out though. Would.rather we play sh*te and go.through


Playing sh*te and getting the result > playing well and not getting the result

Embarrassed

Flawed logic!

Who says we wont get the result playing well?

Playing well creates more chances.

Playing sh*te creates danger.




Of course playing well does, but you don't decide to play well or play poorly you decide to take risks or not. If you break it down, playing "well" usually means getting it down playing through midfield and or pushing on against the other team and putting them under pressure. However all of that carries a risk esp with our centre backs who lack real pace. If you push up that is more likely to be exposed so it's all about judgement calls.

The Danes have no pace up front.
Us playing well means higher line and pressure with support play which we haven't done since the Euros.
Its a very thin line how we've been playing throughout this campaign.


Sisto has some bit of speed


Posted By: orourkeda
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:13pm
Originally posted by Pauldaly1984 Pauldaly1984 wrote:

Meyler and long in. O dowda and murphy out. I'd push hendrick up and keep Wes on bench until half hour to go. Thought last night was calling out for mcgeady. Wouldn't mind him starting on Tuesday. The only man who can get a hold of the call and bring it forward with him in a controlled fashion. When mcclean does it it's usually just through pace.
 
If we have to rely on Aiden McGeady  then we are probably screwed


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Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:20pm
Was rethinking our starting eleven, and I think that Meyler-Arter-Hendrick will be the midfield, with Hendrick pushing up.

I think Long will come in for Murphy.

That would be a very energetic midfield that would be looking to open the Danes through power and aggression rather than any real technical skill - would also be defensively sound.


Posted By: Fitz
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:31pm
I disagree completely with the 'AndyReid-itis' theory that some people are proposing about Wes, and I reckon if he doesn't start we can kiss Russia goodbye. Also, Long - albeit not in good form - has to start. He won and held up more ball in 15 mins than Murphy did all game. Murphy is hopelessly lacking for what's needed, tbf.

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Posted By: Fitz
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Hendrick should lose out before Arter. Arter has been top class the last 2 games. Brady again would be lucky to keep his place. No patience left with him..


This. If we're gonna progress in general then one or both of these two needs to be dropped.

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Posted By: raclle
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:40pm
Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Was rethinking our starting eleven, and I think that Meyler-Arter-Hendrick will be the midfield, with Hendrick pushing up.

I think Long will come in for Murphy.

That would be a very energetic midfield that would be looking to open the Danes through power and aggression rather than any real technical skill - would also be defensively sound.
They did a lot of chasing last night so could be he'll go with fresher legs in Meyler, Whelan and Long.


Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:41pm
Whelan . Leave it out. There's a reason he didn't start in Denmark even though we were missing Meyler and McCarthy. He hasn't got the legs . Good option off the bench to protect a lead but as a starter he is finished for Ireland .


Posted By: Stickittotheman
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:42pm
Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Was rethinking our starting eleven, and I think that Meyler-Arter-Hendrick will be the midfield, with Hendrick pushing up.

I think Long will come in for Murphy.

That would be a very energetic midfield that would be looking to open the Danes through power and aggression rather than any real technical skill - would also be defensively sound.



Totally agree. 4-2-3-1 for me with Hendrick playing as the no.10 supporting Shane Long. Arter and Meyler as the two sitting midfielders. A high press as well is imperative. We have to get into their faces and with the fans behind us get them rattled.

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Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!


Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:57pm
Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Was rethinking our starting eleven, and I think that Meyler-Arter-Hendrick will be the midfield, with Hendrick pushing up.

I think Long will come in for Murphy.

That would be a very energetic midfield that would be looking to open the Danes through power and aggression rather than any real technical skill - would also be defensively sound.


Totally agree. 4-2-3-1 for me with Hendrick playing as the no.10 supporting Shane Long. Arter and Meyler as the two sitting midfielders. A high press as well is imperative. We have to get into their faces and with the fans behind us get them rattled.


I’m thinking, and hoping that we could keep a clean sheet with that team, while being able to open up and get our wingers more involved.

The energy levels from the team and the fans needs to be huge in the first ten minutes. I thought the Danes looked very frustrated, if not a little defeated at the final whistle.

If we can absolutely batter them in the opening period and nick an early goal I think they’ll struggle to get into the game.

From a mentality point of view, imagine how they’ll be feeling if we can score in the opening ten after them being in the accendancy for the majority of the tie.


Posted By: raclle
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 9:58pm
Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

Totally agree. 4-2-3-1 for me with Hendrick playing as the no.10 supporting Shane Long. Arter and Meyler as the two sitting midfielders. A high press as well is imperative. We have to get into their faces and with the fans behind us get them rattled.
Hendrik has played that role poorly already and to be honest his best games for us have been out wide.

How about?

          Arter Meyler

Hendrik                  McClean

                 Wes


Posted By: armahibee
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:02pm
Has 1-0 all over it, Shane long il do it for us...Christ il be broken hearted if we miss out, actually feel quite bad for the pub team and that's saying something.


Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:02pm
Originally posted by raclle raclle wrote:

Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

Totally agree. 4-2-3-1 for me with Hendrick playing as the no.10 supporting Shane Long. Arter and Meyler as the two sitting midfielders. A high press as well is imperative. We have to get into their faces and with the fans behind us get them rattled.
Hendrik has played that role poorly already and to be honest his best games for us have been out wide.

How about?

          Arter Meyler

Hendrik                  McClean

                 Wes


I personally don’t think that even with Hoolahan, we can win games against similar level teams by playing through the middle.

The perfect balance is a mix between direct, and through the midfield, and while Jeff obviously isn’t a number 10, his physical attributes give the opposition plenty to think about, while he can conjure an odd moment of magic.

Wes is a quality player, but I just love the idea of the likes of Meyler, Arter, Hendrick and McClean running around, chasing everything and not giving the opposition a second - that’s what led to our goal in Cardiff.

In an ideal world, we manage to get Wes into the team and play a balance of direct/technical football, but that would involve dropping Robbie Brady, and that just isn’t going to happen under Martin O’Neill - righty or wrongly.


Posted By: Stickittotheman
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:04pm
Originally posted by raclle raclle wrote:

Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

Totally agree. 4-2-3-1 for me with Hendrick playing as the no.10 supporting Shane Long. Arter and Meyler as the two sitting midfielders. A high press as well is imperative. We have to get into their faces and with the fans behind us get them rattled.
Hendrik has played that role poorly already and to be honest his best games for us have been out wide.

How about?

          Arter Meyler

Hendrik                  McClean

                 Wes



Hendrick plays very well there for Burnley. I would like to see the team there but cant see Brady being dropped.

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Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!


Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:05pm
I think explaining Murphy's performance as based on his abilities is wide of the mark. We are currently missing Coleman, McCarthy, and Walters. We lost Meyler to suspension. Long and Wes were out due to suspension. McGeady has been a more peripheral figure over the past two years. However, that means that our most innovative players are not on the pitch. Brady has struggled to fulfil that role in the way we all would have hoped he might since 2016. What hasn't been spoken of is the fact that we are a depleted side, which needs to find the best team it can, and the best formula to fit that team. This limits our ability to be innovative, which in turn penalises Murphy who is expected to lead a line, where there is significant disconnect. He made a difference of sorts against Austria when he was moved up front with Walters, and was a threat against Moldova. He did reasonably well against Wales under this limited system, and last night he wasn't able to influence the game. I'm not sure dropping Murphy for Long will make a huge difference.


Posted By: Stickittotheman
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:09pm
Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I think explaining Murphy's performance as based on his abilities is wide of the mark. We are currently missing Coleman, McCarthy, and Walters. We lost Meyler to suspension. Long and Wes were out due to suspension. McGeady has been a more peripheral figure over the past two years. However, that means that our most innovative players are not on the pitch. Brady has struggled to fulfil that role in the way we all would have hoped he might since 2016. What hasn't been spoken of is the fact that we are a depleted side, which needs to find the best team it can, and the best formula to fit that team. This limits our ability to be innovative, which in turn penalises Murphy who is expected to lead a line, where there is significant disconnect. He made a difference of sorts against Austria when he was moved up front with Walters, and was a threat against Moldova. He did reasonably well against Wales under this limited system, and last night he wasn't able to influence the game. I'm not sure dropping Murphy for Long will make a huge difference.




I get what your saying but for me Long is better at pressing the back line and with his pace it makes Denmark think twice. They wouldnt be as inclined to push as high up meaning hopefully we could get pressing them higher up the pitch especially with Hendrick as the no.10.

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Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!


Posted By: BriMurt
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:11pm
I would have thought the Danish qualifying odds might shorten a bit after Saturday. Reason being that they showed a bit more attacking threat than Ireland, and they only need a score draw. The bookies must not be so confident that the Danes can put one in the Irish net. 


Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:12pm
Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

 



I get what your saying but for me Long is better at pressing the back line and with his pace it makes Denmark think twice. They wouldnt be as inclined to push as high up meaning hopefully we could get pressing them higher up the pitch especially with Hendrick as the no.10.

I would agree entirely, only when we play with the lone front man they become far too isolated. Also, given his greater athleticism Long is more likely to drop deeper to collect the ball, which might result in the easy smothering of attacks. Personally, I would rather go with both of them up, with Long playing off him, and as the link to the midfield. A similar strategy to Moldova.


Posted By: t_rAndy
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:17pm
Shane long 93rd minute winner. That would be a dream come true! I'd cry me eyes out


Posted By: Strazdas
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by BriMurt BriMurt wrote:

I would have thought the Danish qualifying odds might shorten a bit after Saturday. Reason being that they showed a bit more attacking threat than Ireland, and they only need a score draw. The bookies must not be so confident that the Danes can put one in the Irish net. 

I'm viewing last night as Denmark losing momentum rather than gaining anything. There's way too much emphasis on the away goal rule - people might be surprised but not a single play off for Euro 2012, WC 2014 or Euro 2016 was decided by an away goal.


Posted By: raclle
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:31pm
Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

I personally don’t think that even with Hoolahan, we can win games against similar level teams by playing through the middle.

The perfect balance is a mix between direct, and through the midfield, and while Jeff obviously isn’t a number 10, his physical attributes give the opposition plenty to think about, while he can conjure an odd moment of magic.

Wes is a quality player, but I just love the idea of the likes of Meyler, Arter, Hendrick and McClean running around, chasing everything and not giving the opposition a second - that’s what led to our goal in Cardiff.

In an ideal world, we manage to get Wes into the team and play a balance of direct/technical football, but that would involve dropping Robbie Brady, and that just isn’t going to happen under Martin O’Neill - righty or wrongly.
It wouldn't always be through the middle but a mix of both as you said.

O Neill has experimented with a few 10s now inc Hendrik and Brady who simply looked lost. If not Wes i'd be inclined to put O Dowda in there. He's shown a bit of ability, not afraid to take on defenders and can be creative which is what we need.

Brady as put in a lot of poor performances as of late so he wouldn't be missed.


Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:36pm
Originally posted by raclle raclle wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

I personally don’t think that even with Hoolahan, we can win games against similar level teams by playing through the middle.

The perfect balance is a mix between direct, and through the midfield, and while Jeff obviously isn’t a number 10, his physical attributes give the opposition plenty to think about, while he can conjure an odd moment of magic.

Wes is a quality player, but I just love the idea of the likes of Meyler, Arter, Hendrick and McClean running around, chasing everything and not giving the opposition a second - that’s what led to our goal in Cardiff.

In an ideal world, we manage to get Wes into the team and play a balance of direct/technical football, but that would involve dropping Robbie Brady, and that just isn’t going to happen under Martin O’Neill - righty or wrongly.
It wouldn't always be through the middle but a mix of both as you said.

O Neill has experimented with a few 10s now inc Hendrik and Brady who simply looked lost. If not Wes i'd be inclined to put O Dowda in there. He's shown a bit of ability, not afraid to take on defenders and can be creative which is what we need.

Brady as put in a lot of poor performances as of late so he wouldn't be missed.


I don’t think we can accommodate Wes and Brady in the same team - sounds crazy even though they aren’t in competition for the same position.

When Hoolihan plays, we need physically imposing midfielders around him - I.e. Arter, Hendrick, Meyler, McClean.

Brady is too much of a passenger and we can’t afford to have a passenger, and the featherweight Hoolahan in the middle.

The way Martin see’s it, Wes might create a chance or two in a game - but our strikers aren’t profilc, and we are defensively weakest, meanwhile Brady, can whip 2/3 crosses into the box (most from frees), that anybody could get on the end of.


Posted By: bundy
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:37pm
Meyler to come in insead of O'Dowda and I fancy him to put in his best shift yet for us. He's made for this type of game, I always thought he got a raw deal at club level and is a lot better than what he has shown. Maybe he's like McClean and just gets that bit extra when he's in a green shirt. Looking back on some of his displays in the big games he's played for us - Germany away, Germany at home when he came on, Moldova and Wales. I fancy him to wreck Erikson in the first couple of minutes like Keane v Overmars. It'll set the tone for the night.

Tuesday could be very special, possibly the best night seen in the Aviva since it opened. Bosnia at home was special but it was a European Championships - this is a World Cup, another level altogether. The best home games I've been at for atmosphere were France at Lansdowne when Henry beat us with that brilliant curler into the top corner, Italy at Croke Park (thought the roof was going to come off the place) and of course Holland at home in 2001. When McCateer scored I ended up landing about 6 rows in front of me facing back the way. I jumped out of my seat and someone behind me did the same and launched me!

Those were special games in terms of atmosphere but I think Tuesday will eclipse them all.


Posted By: BriMurt
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:53pm
Originally posted by bundy bundy wrote:

Meyler to come in insead of O'Dowda and I fancy him to put in his best shift yet for us. He's made for this type of game, I always thought he got a raw deal at club level and is a lot better than what he has shown. Maybe he's like McClean and just gets that bit extra when he's in a green shirt. Looking back on some of his displays in the big games he's played for us - Germany away, Germany at home when he came on, Moldova and Wales. I fancy him to wreck Erikson in the first couple of minutes like Keane v Overmars. It'll set the tone for the night.

Tuesday could be very special, possibly the best night seen in the Aviva since it opened. Bosnia at home was special but it was a European Championships - this is a World Cup, another level altogether. The best home games I've been at for atmosphere were France at Lansdowne when Henry beat us with that brilliant curler into the top corner, Italy at Croke Park (thought the roof was going to come off the place) and of course Holland at home in 2001. When McCateer scored I ended up landing about 6 rows in front of me facing back the way. I jumped out of my seat and someone behind me did the same and launched me!

Those were special games in terms of atmosphere but I think Tuesday will eclipse them all.

If nothing else, it's certainly the first time that the Irish team have had the opportunity to progress to the World Cup in front of a Dublin crowd. The other three times, the 2nd leg was played away. 

Fully expect the Aviva to be rocking, and hope that the players can give us a result that'll keep that party going well into the night. 


Posted By: BriMurt
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:58pm
Paddy Power has Denmark at 1/2 to qualify, and Ireland at 6/4. 


Posted By: raclle
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 11:02pm
Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Originally posted by raclle raclle wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

I personally don’t think that even with Hoolahan, we can win games against similar level teams by playing through the middle.

The perfect balance is a mix between direct, and through the midfield, and while Jeff obviously isn’t a number 10, his physical attributes give the opposition plenty to think about, while he can conjure an odd moment of magic.

Wes is a quality player, but I just love the idea of the likes of Meyler, Arter, Hendrick and McClean running around, chasing everything and not giving the opposition a second - that’s what led to our goal in Cardiff.

In an ideal world, we manage to get Wes into the team and play a balance of direct/technical football, but that would involve dropping Robbie Brady, and that just isn’t going to happen under Martin O’Neill - righty or wrongly.
It wouldn't always be through the middle but a mix of both as you said.

O Neill has experimented with a few 10s now inc Hendrik and Brady who simply looked lost. If not Wes i'd be inclined to put O Dowda in there. He's shown a bit of ability, not afraid to take on defenders and can be creative which is what we need.

Brady as put in a lot of poor performances as of late so he wouldn't be missed.


I don’t think we can accommodate Wes and Brady in the same team - sounds crazy even though they aren’t in competition for the same position.

When Hoolihan plays, we need physically imposing midfielders around him - I.e. Arter, Hendrick, Meyler, McClean.

Brady is too much of a passenger and we can’t afford to have a passenger, and the featherweight Hoolahan in the middle.

The way Martin see’s it, Wes might create a chance or two in a game - but our strikers aren’t profilc, and we are defensively weakest, meanwhile Brady, can whip 2/3 crosses into the box (most from frees), that anybody could get on the end of.

You can replace Ward with Brady. What i find encouraging is the depth of the squad. With our injuries so far we've been able to quite easily fill the positions.

Here's my team for Tues

           Randolph

Christie Duffy Clark Brady

       Meyler     Arter

Hendrik                  McClean
                Wes
               
                Long


Posted By: bundy
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 11:02pm
Originally posted by BriMurt BriMurt wrote:

Originally posted by bundy bundy wrote:

Meyler to come in insead of O'Dowda and I fancy him to put in his best shift yet for us. He's made for this type of game, I always thought he got a raw deal at club level and is a lot better than what he has shown. Maybe he's like McClean and just gets that bit extra when he's in a green shirt. Looking back on some of his displays in the big games he's played for us - Germany away, Germany at home when he came on, Moldova and Wales. I fancy him to wreck Erikson in the first couple of minutes like Keane v Overmars. It'll set the tone for the night.

Tuesday could be very special, possibly the best night seen in the Aviva since it opened. Bosnia at home was special but it was a European Championships - this is a World Cup, another level altogether. The best home games I've been at for atmosphere were France at Lansdowne when Henry beat us with that brilliant curler into the top corner, Italy at Croke Park (thought the roof was going to come off the place) and of course Holland at home in 2001. When McCateer scored I ended up landing about 6 rows in front of me facing back the way. I jumped out of my seat and someone behind me did the same and launched me!

Those were special games in terms of atmosphere but I think Tuesday will eclipse them all.


If nothing else, it's certainly the first time that the Irish team have had the opportunity to progress to the World Cup in front of a Dublin crowd. The other three times, the 2nd leg was played away. 

Fully expect the Aviva to be rocking, and hope that the players can give us a result that'll keep that party going well into the night. 


I remember being at the Iran playoff and everyone beforehand thinking we'd beat them by 3 or 4 but if I remember correctly it was fairly subdued at full time despite beating them by two on the night. That was always a tie that I wish we had been at home for the second game. That was a great team and they were great times.

I do fancy us to get a win on Tuesday but I think it was Duff who said it that if we get an early goal it will be sit back and defend for the rest of the game. I fear we'll need two goals but the likelihood of that happening are fairly slim. Jesus my nerves are at me already thinking of us going a goal up - do they push on? Do they sit back? I'm half hoping the pitch is destroyed as it will disrupt the Danes big time.



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