Maguire will soon be back across the pond and playing in The Championship i'd imagine.

I haven't seen much of him at all, caught highlights of the game v Rovers and last season v Dundalk.

The more that can make the leap over the pond the better! Is the lad McEneffs at Derry good enough to make the cut? 

But at the same time I'd rather much have him than Doyle and possibly give the team other options, so it's a yes from me.

100% with PM, needs another season with Cork, possibly 2, let him build up the prodigy reputation Horgan had at Dundalk

I`d say that's Caulfield and City fans` attitude to it but from their committees view they`ll want to see him go into the summer in red hot form triggering a bidding war between championship clubs and get a decent fee. Particularly as the alternative could be him going for nothing in the winter.

 

I think your right about another season or possibly 2 being best for him. He needs to make sure when he goes to England he`s ready to hit the ground running. He doesn't want a scenario where he`s worked his hole off here to just end up back at Stanley or the likes. 

I am not sure about the first point, although it would be very much dependent on where City are in the table at the time. Maguire only signed up for another season meaning any fee received would be relatively small, certainly not big enough to be risking a league title over.

I do think he has to be especially sure about his move because of his position and style of play, 5 or 6 games without a goal or failing to impress as a sub when the ball is flying over his head and he could find himself back on loan in League Two and starting all over again.

I know it has almost become cliché to say this but I think a move to Belgium would suit him. He was linked with Genk after City played them last year and I think his style , personality and attitude would be suitable. 

Of course there are dangers with that too, ask Dominic Foley if doing well in Belgium guarantees anybody at home will notice!

 

+1

He's an unknown at that level. Horgan only made the step up when he showed potential in the Championship. I've no doubt at all Maguire has the potential to score goals in higher European...

He should have been in the squad at the very least

He could have been called up like Gleeson was, the fact that MON has been very slow to look at players in problem positions is quite frustrating.

Derby and Norwich have already written the season off, Preston still seem to be holding onto hope but that is because they have overachieved.

I think right now Maguire has more to offer the international set up (youth and predatory instincts) than Kevin Doyle.

It will probably take a stellar showing in Europe this year/a move to the Championship before he gets recognition.

This. People getting desperate about this lad because we are in dire need of a striker.

You are looking at Cox, Madden,Mooney,  Amond and Reece Grego-Cox! 

This is something MON had 4 years to solve and saw coming or at least should have seen. His priority seems to be the immediate now though and not about the future.

And far, far better, if you ever watched the two of them!  It is funny that you mention Amond as he must be about 7/8 choice for Ireland at the moment. I agree it has taken a while for him to settle in places but Caulfield has put faith in him and got the best out of him, while the lad has developed physically and mentally. He only started one game for Dundalk and needed the arm around the shoulder and I think he has got that.

In an ideal world there shouldn't even be a debate about him playing for Ireland, it is solely out of desperation, but we have to look at all our options. I was hugely frustrated that Rooney wasn't involved last night, even though I doubt he is good enough!At the moment we are a couple of injuries away from recalling the likes of  Cox or Sammon and I don't think either of those would ever put in a performance like Seanie did away to a team who are now in the Europa League quarter-finals.

Agree, he is very much a man for the moment and always has been, he left Celtic in a very poor state considering what he had achieved there.

I am not going to criticise him too much, he has done very well with a fairly average group of players and I do wonder if some of these friendly matches are of any interest to him at all. I just wish that he made more use of them.

Definitely need an old sarcasm font on here alright!

Why look at his past?

Why not look at right now?

Maguire is in superb form, over last season and into this season he has been scoring all sorts of goals be it with his head, tap ins and goals that are down to individual brilliance in its own right.

What is there to lose by giving him 45 minutes in a friendly? What is to learn out of playing Simox Cox, Kevin Doyle or Daryl Murphy for argument sake? 

The way you've spoken, you would swear we were looking for Maguire to start against Wales the other evening.......

We don't know if Maguire is up to this level or if he ever will be. But it was the same with Horgan, the lad now getting his game in the Championship and impressing, to the surprise of few, if any who had seen him play. What's the harm in including him instead of Doyle? I don't mean to pick on Doyle but he is the main example of a player who is no longer up to this level and is only on the decline.

That's it exactly. I'm not heralding Maguire as the messiah either. But sometimes it's better the devil you don't know, particularly in friendlies. Doyler is done, we don't know what Maguire has to offer at international level so there's no harm in having a look at him. 

He did make one West Ham squad when they played Forest in the cup a few years back actually. 

But that's much of a muchness, for a lad his age he's played a lot of football. He's played a fair bit of LOI, both 1st Division and Premier, spent time in a top academy in England, experienced League 2 football, gained good under-age international experience and played European football with Cork, really impressing in both games vs Genk. 

Yes, he's probably a fair bit down the pecking order, but given his age and our lack of depth up front he needs to be considered. 

As are most of the strikers in our squad with the exception of Long and Walters. Have you seen Seanie play this year? Go to a game and watch him. His Strenght, his workrate, his first touch and his runs off the ball are a good few steps ahead of what is the norm in the League of Ireland. Im not saying he is the next Robbie Keane but is worth a look at in the friendlies v Mexico or Uruguay.

That isn't me advocating a place on the bench for him V Austria, but can't see what harm it would do to name him in one of these 65 man squads & having a look at him in training. If, as Brian Kerr & others feel, it turns out he isn't ready, so be it. On the other hand, if he did go to Preston or even Charlton, he would nearly be an automatic squad inclusion, even without kicking a ball for them. At least MON called up Horgan pre-magic plane, so that's one of the traditional glass ceilings for Maguire removed. 

Back in the day when he was called plain oul Seán, I put this up 4 years ago...... it's still a pretty accurate description of what he can do when in form, for those who haven't seen the lad play, or just saw him stick a few in the back of the net for Cork on a highlights show. 

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Shane Long is 31 in January '17, still a few years left in him, but he is getting to that stage of his career where he will begin to gradually lose his pace, which is a huge part of his game. He will likely have to adapt his game somewhat as this happens, and how successful he is in doing that will determine whether he will be a longer term option for us. Because of lack of alternatives, he will continue to be in & around the team for a good while to come, but in 2 years time, he might not be in the role he is used at the minute. 

There really is very little out there after that. As things stand, Hogan (who may or may not turn out to be any good in any case) is an Englishman who doesn't play for us. Stokes is a never has been and can't get a game with Blackburn, who will do well to escape league 1 this year.  Joe Mason has never really nailed down his place for a full season with any team, and scores 5-10 goals a season in the championship, which really isn't anything exceptional, Wes Hoolahan gets around the same from midfield, Alan Judge, before he got injured, had more than that last year, likewise Conor Hourihane.  Mason will could well start making squads post 2018, but I don't think we should be expecting too much out of him. 

There are others, like Paddy Madden, Eoin Doyle and even Podge Amond out there, but it would be a fairly huge stretch at this point to see any of them getting caps (further caps in Madden's case) , never mind becoming Ireland regulars.

Whether we like it or not, and regardless of anyone's opinion of Maguire, he is a hell of a lot closer to the Irish squad/team than a lot of people think he is right now, and if in a year and a half's time, we are going to be picking from the likes of Sheridan, Rooney, Mason, Maguire etc, MON may as well start throwing these lads into his giant squads, if only to get them used to it. Maguire is the only fella under 25 of all those named too, something that isn't insignificant either. 

It isn't about awarding caps or squad places for the sake of it, it's looking at options beyond our 30 plus year old current crew of strikers, and the lack of options makes for scary enough reading. 

Spot on Deise!

I am slightly biased, but Maguire is the best forward I have seen in the LOI since a young O'Flynn, whatever happens afterwards is up to him.

He does a look a special player alright. Have only seen him play in 4 or 5 full matches myself. Am I right in saying that there's very few areas he'd be weak in as a forward? Looks like a total all rounder to me. Can drop off, link up play, beat players, assists, finishes brilliantly, quick as well.

I don't think he is Hans (PM or some of the Cork lads might know differently) and even J Caulfield's statement last night denying any new bids for him also (reading between the lines) half put a 'for sale' sign on him, between ruling out League 1 clubs, but yet saying if the money was right, Cork wouldn't stand in his way. 

Half reminds me of Alex Neil's post euros statements about Robbie Brady (not for sale, no bids received, but if we were to receive.... etc, etc), and we know what happened in the end there. Basically, for any English championship team who fancies him, Maguire can be bought for a relative pittance. Sooner rather than later, someone is going to take the chance, tis up to Seanie himself after that. 

Is he good enough ? I thought he was good enough 4 years ago, where he was the standout player in an admittedly poor LOI 1st division, and WHU, at least to an extent, thought the same at the time. It didn't work out for him, neither did moves to Sligo or Dundalk, but since that, he has firstly regained, and then bettered, that initial form he showed for Waterford under Caulfield & CCFC in the past 2 years. 

It has to be remembered he went to WHU when he was only 18 years old, and suffered badly from homesickness, he won't be the first or last young Irish fella to have that happen him. There are a handful of lads who went from the LOI premier to championship teams, Fahey, Doyle, Long and recently Horgan & Boyle, but all of those were considerably older than Maguire (bar Long) when they did so, to the best of my knowledge, nobody has gone from LOI division 1 to a premier team & made an impression any time recently, so that isn't something I would be reading too much in to. 

What also marks him out as a bit different is the fact he returned to the LOI 2 years after failing at WHU, and initially didn't do a thing with either Sligo or Dundalk, as any of their fans will attest to. That still didn't deter him though, and he has shown a good bit of belief & determination to show that early promise he had wasn't all down to hype & optimistic LOI fans like me thinking this lad has a chance to play for Ireland (Great credit has to go to John Caulfield here).

Some will deride that & think it doesn't mean a lot in the big scheme of things, but it isn't as easy as all that, we only have to look at other young Irish lads who had far bigger reputations who returned to the LOI after spells in the UK, such as Conor Clifford, Shane Supple, go back a bit further & look at even older lads with loads of experience like Liam Miller, Colin Healy, Stephen McPhail, Stephen Elliot, very , very few of them managed to look much better than competent LOI players, none stood out, nor still stand out,  in the manner Maguire has, and the previous 4 mentioned all had international caps. 

He does have some weaknesses, his decision making, although vastly improved since his Waterford days, has further room for improvement, and as he isn't the biggest of lads, he does require a team, and a few teammates, who are able to have the intelligence to play to his strengths, which don't involve lumping long, high balls at him, that might sound obvious, but at the same time, (the excellent manager) Stephen Kenny couldn't quite manage it, and he will, when the time comes, have to choose his English/UK team reasonably carefully. 

I'm not sure even still that he can be a top level EPL striker, but championship football is well within his capabilities if all goes well for him & he continues to be in the vein of form he has been in for Cork these last 2 years. 

Negotiations will work backwards, they will offer Seani 100k and he will say "ah lads, that is too much", then they will agree on 50k a week, 20k a goal and a massive aquarium.

And would yer views on him be any way coloured by his miserable spell at Sligo by any chance ?? 

You can tell by the accent.

 

Yes and no deise. In fairness I did see him play a lot more than most people, even if it was a few years ago. I'm sure he has improved but his attitude was questionable with us.

 

West Ham, no impact. Sligo Rovers, no impact. Accrington Stanley, no real impact. Dundalk, no impact. He's had a good season with Cork last year and is doing Ok this season, but remember Cork are head and shoulders above most other teams in LOI and brushing teams aside. A half decent striker should be scoring plenty in that Cork team in fairness.

 

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh on him and he can go up a level or two, but international level would be a shock. Good luck to him.

It would do him no harm even training with the squad for the next few days.

I agree with this to an extent,grammar aside, but I have also said that when a player looks far better than his opponents he needs to be assessed on that. The Ireland manager has too small a pool to be waiting on another manager in England to vindicate his selection.

I am the first to admit that the LOI is very, very poor, but Seani is not. A look at him in a friendly would have helped him, the league and the buyer and it would have cost nothing.

It is poor, by and large, but Cork City have a decent team and a player in Maguire who is superb. I was questioning him and his attitude, privately, the past few weeks but that was sensational tonight. This was a huge game, for both clubs, and he did that. He is a superb striker and will, if he gets a chance, do very well at Preston.

This here is the problem......... It is the ability to cut the wheat from the chaff, and not wait for a manager in England to do so. Same argument with Enda Stevens, as an example. You shouldn't need a second opinion! I know the LOI is sh*te, Seani is better than it. Therefore, worth a look!

I am not sure anyone is getting overly carried away! I just think that when someone stands out, as Maguire does, he should be looked at.

I am also not sure that McGoldrick would hit thirty in the West Cork league, that lad is awful. *

*Hyperbole may be involved!

I think McGoldrick is an honest to goodness hacker, I think the LOI would suit him!

Ah give over lads. He's still only 23 and you're tarring him when he was 19 years old.

If he was in the upper 20's then yis may have a point but calling someone crap cos he wasn't playing well when he was 19 is a complete lack of insight and judgement.

What my reasonably sensible friend said!!

He was a kid, most kids struggle abroad, I still do! It is very unfair to judge him on that! Far better to judge him on the fact that lads who have been too good for the LOI have gone on to do alright for themselves.

Agree. Sometimes class is obvious, and I stand over Richie Towell when I say that.