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Topic: Overall state of LOI Stadia?
Posted By: Bitored
Subject: Overall state of LOI Stadia?
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2015 at 4:37pm
So I fell down a Wiki black hole last and I ended up looking up the SPL stadia. I was surprised as they are all pretty good grounds but (outside of Ibrox and Celtic Park) nothing exceptional and certainly achievable in this league.
What are peoples overall opinions of our current Stadia and hopes for the future?

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Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2015 at 6:06pm
Some very good, some ok, some unsafe. Quite like most leagues. Overall better than most GAA county grounds

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Posted By: irish_goat
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2015 at 9:08pm
Plenty of crap stadiums; Bohs, Sligo and Derry all standing out in my mind. 


Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2015 at 9:10pm
Jodi is far from crap, probably my favourite in the league


Posted By: irish_goat
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2015 at 9:13pm
Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Jodi is far from crap, probably my favourite in the league

The Jodi Stand is good but they shoved us in the Des Kelly stand last time, full of massive weeds, no toilets and no food/drink outlets. The other two stands look even worse. 


Posted By: thebronze14
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2015 at 9:14pm
Sligos stadium is very good as well...finn park is the nou camp of loi😜


Posted By: gufct
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2015 at 9:22pm
Eamonn Deacy park and turners cross are 2 fine grounds

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Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2015 at 9:25pm
Originally posted by irish_goat irish_goat wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Jodi is far from crap, probably my favourite in the league


The Jodi Stand is good but they shoved us in the Des Kelly stand last time, full of massive weeds, no toilets and no food/drink outlets. The other two stands look even worse. 


Ah yeah it does look fairly sh*t, we rarely have proper away ends open for us so not been on a lot of them

Oriel away is a disgrace, as is drogs but I love the place.

Cork, Galway, Pats all good grounds. UCD a nice set up too



Posted By: Bitored
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 1:06am
Originally posted by irish_goat irish_goat wrote:

Plenty of crap stadiums; Bohs, Sligo and Derry all standing out in my mind. 

The Showgies? Ah stop. Has to be top 3 grounds in the league.
Even the away end is comfortable compared to some of the pig pens in other grounds.

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Posted By: Cabra Hoop
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 1:41am
Bitored, setting up a thread to have a go at the league because once again Sligo after their brief tilt at the windmill are back in their first for existence. If you live Sligo,expect the knock on the door soon.





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Posted By: Nah Nah Nah Nah
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 9:20am
Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Bitored, setting up a thread to have a go at the league because once again Sligo after their brief tilt at the windmill are back in their first for existence. If you live Sligo,expect the knock on the door soon.




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Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 10:11am
Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Jodi is far from crap, probably my favourite in the league
Try the Shed or the deathtrap that is the Connaught Street stand. Unnaceptable at every level.
 
Oriel, Dalymount, Tolka and United Park are unsafe and not fit for purpose. Tallaght, Turners Cross and the Showgrounds are perfectly fine and the best smaller stadia on the island. The rest are int he 'ok' area.


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Posted By: RKBarmyArmy
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 10:39am
Sligo is a lovely ground, certainly far from being in the "crap" category. 

Turners Cross is the best in the league, 4 all covered all seated stands right up into the pitch with about 6 pubs within a 5 minute walking distance. New toilet block being built at the away end also. Nothing like it.

Tallaght and Eamonn Deacy would be great if only the ends were filled out somehow, especially in Tallaght. 

Richmond Park is by far my favourite ground in Dublin, nice and close to the pitch again.

Oriel is just dangerous but thats been done to death so we'll leave that be. 

Longford is a weird one cause its a nice design but its in the middle of nowhere.




Posted By: kevincronin2000
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 10:55am
Dalymount ~ 1 decent stand the rest fit for demolition 3/10
 Carlisle Grounds ~ No cover for away fans, couldn't class it as a stadium 2/10
 Turners Cross, 4 covered all seater stands, lacks toilet facilities at st annes end 8/10
 Brandywell, 1 decent stand, its a greyhound stadium 3/10
 United Park, Fit for demolition, 2/10
 Oriel Park, 1 old stand with bar facilities, time for a major facelift 3/10
 Eammon Deasy Park, 1 decent stand and 1 other all seater stand, serves its purpose 6/10
 Markets Field, I haven't been so I cant rate 5/10
 City Calling Stadium, 1 covered stand, no cover for away fans 5/10
 Richmond Park, 1 covered all seater stand, poor toilet facilities 4/10
 Tallaght Stadium, Purpose built modern sports arena with room for expansion 8/10
 Showground's , Decent effort could do something behind the goal 7/10
 

 


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Posted By: cm79
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 11:33am
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Some very good, some ok, some unsafe. Quite like most leagues. Overall better than most GAA county grounds
 
How many GAA county grounds have you visited?


Posted By: Green Devil
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 11:50am
RTID clueless again.

I played in a host of county grounds and LOI grounds and I can safely say the GAA county stadiums are way ahead of LOI grounds for the most part.

The dressing rooms in Dayler Athlone Towns "were" a disgrace.
Inchicore dressing rooms were as basic as you come, pretty poor when i played there.

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Posted By: Bo Jackson
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 12:44pm
Looking forward to a response if it ever comes, RTID usually out of his depth regarding most subjects but his crusade against the GAA is laughable LOL


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Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by cm79 cm79 wrote:

How many GAA county grounds have you visited?
A number of them. The GAA recently had to reduce capacity in almost all of them as there were massive health and safety concerns. Most county grounds are aged kips - even relatively modern onces like Parnell Park are nothing special.
  http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-faces-200000-loss-in-ground-capacity-26794939.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-faces-200000-loss-in-ground-capacity-26794939.html
How many of the listed would you consider even ok?
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaelic_Athletic_Association_stadiums" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaelic_Athletic_Association_stadiums


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Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 1:14pm
Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

RTID clueless again.

I played in a host of county grounds and LOI grounds and I can safely say the GAA county stadiums are way ahead of LOI grounds for the most part.

The dressing rooms in Dayler Athlone Towns "were" a disgrace.
Inchicore dressing rooms were as basic as you come, pretty poor when i played there.
Who was talking about dressing rooms?

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Posted By: corkery
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 1:21pm
Rovers, Cork, Sligo, Waterford and Galway are up to standard. The rest are far behind.

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Posted By: Tony Cousins
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 1:59pm
Jinx Avenue side in sligo is not up to standard. The view is obscured by poles and fences and the seats are broken.


Posted By: corkery
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by Tony Cousins Tony Cousins wrote:

Jinx Avenue side in sligo is not up to standard. The view is obscured by poles and fences and the seats are broken.

Hmmm I suppose you're right. I suppose it's the best stadium in the league that is owned by a club.


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Posted By: cm79
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 3:24pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by cm79 cm79 wrote:

How many GAA county grounds have you visited?
A number of them. The GAA recently had to reduce capacity in almost all of them as there were massive health and safety concerns. Most county grounds are aged kips - even relatively modern onces like Parnell Park are nothing special.
  http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-faces-200000-loss-in-ground-capacity-26794939.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-faces-200000-loss-in-ground-capacity-26794939.html
How many of the listed would you consider even ok?
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaelic_Athletic_Association_stadiums" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaelic_Athletic_Association_stadiums
Like f**k you have.
 
Some of the grounds are not great but the vast majority are better than any of the LOI grounds I have been to.
 
 


Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 3:39pm
Rubbish. Places like Navan, Sligo and Drogheda are absolute holes, far worse than any LoI ground. Pairc Ui Caoimh is another stalinist armpit.
 
Or put another way, what county ground has the facilities and spectator comfort of Tallaght or Turners Cross? Casement, the Gaelic Grounds and possibly Semple stadium. The rest are way off the standard of better LoI venues.


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Posted By: RKBarmyArmy
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Rubbish. Places like Navan, Sligo and Drogheda are absolute holes, far worse than any LoI ground. Pairc Ui Caoimh is another stalinist armpit.
 
Or put another way, what county ground has the facilities and spectator comfort of Tallaght or Turners Cross? Casement, the Gaelic Grounds and possibly Semple stadium. The rest are way off the standard of better LoI venues.

Thank fcuk this has been 80% demolished in the last few weeks. 


Posted By: cm79
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Rubbish. Places like Navan, Sligo and Drogheda are absolute holes, far worse than any LoI ground. Pairc Ui Caoimh is another stalinist armpit.
 
Or put another way, what county ground has the facilities and spectator comfort of Tallaght or Turners Cross? Casement, the Gaelic Grounds and possibly Semple stadium. The rest are way off the standard of better LoI venues.
 
LOLLOLEmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassed
 
Have you seen the state of Casement Park lately
 
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/video-drone-footage-of-abandoned-casement-park-is-an-embarrassment-to-the-gaa/32699" rel="nofollow - http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/video-drone-footage-of-abandoned-casement-park-is-an-embarrassment-to-the-gaa/32699
 
Tullamore and Pearse Stadium are at a better standard than most LOI grounds.


Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 4:05pm

Jesus you Gahliban are touchy.

The simple and uncontroversial point was relative to other sports in Ireland, LoI grounds are in the main quite good. It takes some class of zealot to get all offended on behalf of the Gah over that statement.


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Posted By: Bitored
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 4:13pm
Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Shams will soon be homeless again when Alex white realises the windmill potential of our ground. If you live in Tallaght, expect the knock on the door from Airtricity soon.



I agree completely Tallaght County Council Stadium would be of far more use as a windmill farm.

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Posted By: cm79
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Jesus you Gahliban are touchy.

The simple and uncontroversial point was relative to other sports in Ireland, LoI grounds are in the main quite good. It takes some class of zealot to get all offended on behalf of the Gah over that statement.
I didn't get offended, I just pulled you up on your spoofing.


Posted By: Bitored
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 4:33pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Jesus you Gahliban are touchy.


The simple and uncontroversial point was relative to other sports in Ireland, LoI grounds are in the main quite good. It takes some class of zealot to get all offended on behalf of the Gah over that statement.


This is nonsense. We only have one ground with 4 sides to it. Most grounds are lucky to have one toilet (that isn't a porta potty).
We do have some nice grounds but compared to other sports we are a long way off.
Have we better grounds than GAA? Absolutely not
Rugby? Thomand, RDS, Ravenhill and the Sportsground. Bar the Sportsground the other stadia would be top grounds in this league.

We have some nice grounds no doubt about that. The top 3 are fairly obvious but 2 of those can be classed as works in progress.
Then we have nice grounds like Deacy, RSC and Inchicore.

I do have a lot of hope for the future. Finn Harps are building a new stadium.
Money is in place for a brand new Brandywell and Dalymount is going to get fixed up too.
Have a look at the SPL grounds and its far from a top league.
St Mirrens stadium is beautiful:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_Premier_League_stadiums

I would love to think the infrastructure here could get to that level but St.Mirren spent £8million (about E10 M) and I don't see where any of our sides would get that kind of money from and a lot of them would certainly need to improve facilities to that level for it to have an effect on attendances.


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Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 5:02pm
Let's try this another way. Which is the better stadium? Markevic Park or the Showgrounds?

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Posted By: cm79
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 5:19pm
I have not been to either so I can't comment.
 
Is Tallaght Stadium better than Croke Park?


Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 5:45pm
Is Croke Park a county ground?

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Posted By: The U
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 5:54pm
The GAA heads haven't got the memo rtid spouts so much nonsense it's barely worth replying to him at this stage

props for using 'gahliban' though LOL.


Posted By: cm79
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Is Croke Park a county ground?
 
Its not, you got me there.
 
I would say that Parnell Park is in better shape than any LOI ground in Dublin.


Posted By: cm79
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by The U The U wrote:

The GAA heads haven't got the memo rtid spouts so much nonsense it's barely worth replying to him at this stage

props for using 'gahliban' though LOL.
I know what he is like, this is just keeping me entertained while I am waiting to finish work and go to Dalymount.


Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 6:58pm
Originally posted by cm79 cm79 wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Is Croke Park a county ground?

 
Its not, you got me there.
 
I would say that Parnell Park is in better shape than any LOI ground in Dublin.
better that Tallaght? Get up the yard

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Posted By: ABFC
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 7:01pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by cm79 cm79 wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Is Croke Park a county ground?

 
Its not, you got me there.
 
I would say that Parnell Park is in better shape than any LOI ground in Dublin.
better that Tallaght? Get up the yard

Tallaght is only marginally better 


Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 7:42pm
Originally posted by ABFC ABFC wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by cm79 cm79 wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Is Croke Park a county ground?

 
Its not, you got me there.
 
I would say that Parnell Park is in better shape than any LOI ground in Dublin.
better that Tallaght? Get up the yard

Tallaght is only marginally better 

Parnell is without a doubt a better ground than Tallaght.


Posted By: cm79
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 7:45pm
I was on about LOI grounds in Dublin, I never mentioned Wicklow


Posted By: ABFC
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 7:48pm
Originally posted by cm79 cm79 wrote:

I was on about LOI grounds in Dublin, I never mentioned Wicklow

Why do Bohs fans always make the Wicklow joke? It's f**king moronic. It was never funny


Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 9:22pm
Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Originally posted by ABFC ABFC wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by cm79 cm79 wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Is Croke Park a county ground?

 
Its not, you got me there.
 
I would say that Parnell Park is in better shape than any LOI ground in Dublin.
better that Tallaght? Get up the yard

Tallaght is only marginally better 

Parnell is without a doubt a better ground than Tallaght.
how?

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Posted By: PanteirA
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 10:26pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Rubbish. Places like Navan, Sligo and Drogheda are absolute holes, far worse than any LoI ground. Pairc Ui Caoimh is another stalinist armpit.

Or put another way, what county ground has the facilities and spectator comfort of Tallaght or Turners Cross? Casement, the Gaelic Grounds and possibly Semple stadium. The rest are way off the standard of better LoI venues.
Why are you always comparing everything to the GAA? Its a stupid comparison. Take my own county ground as an example. Most of it is terraced with one covered stand. You may argue the spectator comfort when the rain or hail is lashing the terraces , but on a nice day , there is nothing wrong with it. It can hold almost 45000 people when full to capacity. The main stand isn't anything fancy and could do with a facelift , but it seats over 9000 people with adequate facilities . I don't believe any LOI ground seats 9000 people. I know some GAA clubs in Kerry have by far better facilities and spectator comfort than some LOI clubs, not to mind county grounds so its another pointless argument. So once again you are talking complete and utter sh*t by saying the rest , including Fitzgerald Stadium are way off the standard of the better LOI facilities.


Posted By: starryplough
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 9:17am
Originally posted by Bitored Bitored wrote:

So I fell down a Wiki black hole last and I ended up looking up the SPL stadia. I was surprised as they are all pretty good grounds but (outside of Ibrox and Celtic Park) nothing exceptional and certainly achievable in this league.
What are peoples overall opinions of our current Stadia and hopes for the future?


Ibrox is not an SPL ground


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Posted By: starryplough
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 9:28am
I won't go as far as the first division but in the premier we have a very mixed bag with some huge gaps between the best and the worst stadiums. Licensing really needs to be enforced on the culprits down at the bottom, some of them are in appalling state

Top of the class
Tallaght, Turners Cross

Good
Eamonn Deacy, Showgrounds

Okay but need improvements
Flancare, Markets Field (putting it in this category as can only go from what I've seen on the box since the upgrade), Richmond

Very poor need extensive work
Brandywell, Dalymount, United Park

Terrible simply not good enough
Carlisle Grounds, Oriel




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Posted By: Landon Donovan
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 9:37am
EDIT: Wrong thread




Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 10:11am
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Originally posted by ABFC ABFC wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by cm79 cm79 wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Is Croke Park a county ground?

 
Its not, you got me there.
 
I would say that Parnell Park is in better shape than any LOI ground in Dublin.
better that Tallaght? Get up the yard

Tallaght is only marginally better 

Parnell is without a doubt a better ground than Tallaght.
how?

Capacity, 4 sides, location (as in~ not in the f**king mountains with a gale blowing through most games) 4/5 pubs within 3 minute walk, bar on site open to all, served by 7/8 bus routes and the Dart is 4 min walk away
As someone else said your fascination with the GAA is embarrassing


Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 10:33am
How exactly is bray not good enough? Need new jacks but that's it

Saying it's worse than hunky dory is a joke


Posted By: corkery
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Rubbish. Places like Navan, Sligo and Drogheda are absolute holes, far worse than any LoI ground. Pairc Ui Caoimh is another stalinist armpit.
 
Or put another way, what county ground has the facilities and spectator comfort of Tallaght or Turners Cross? Casement, the Gaelic Grounds and possibly Semple stadium. The rest are way off the standard of better LoI venues.
Pearse Park in Longford has no fire cert and they have to knock the main stand. 


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Posted By: trevwaterford
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 2:22pm
The Regional Sports Centre is a better ground than both Walsh Park and Fraher Field in Waterford which are 2 of the poorest county grounds around. I'm not saying that in a point scoring way as support both teams but it's a fact. Two modern covered stands at RSC versus 1 old stand at both GAA grounds with uncovered gravel or grass banks for the rest of the ground.
Some LOI grounds could do with improvement but funds are the issue.
Waterford City council run the RSC and could get grants as also used for athletics.


Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Originally posted by ABFC ABFC wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by cm79 cm79 wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Is Croke Park a county ground?

 
Its not, you got me there.
 
I would say that Parnell Park is in better shape than any LOI ground in Dublin.
better that Tallaght? Get up the yard

Tallaght is only marginally better 

Parnell is without a doubt a better ground than Tallaght.
how?

Capacity, 4 sides, location (as in~ not in the f**king mountains with a gale blowing through most games) 4/5 pubs within 3 minute walk, bar on site open to all, served by 7/8 bus routes and the Dart is 4 min walk away
As someone else said your fascination with the GAA is embarrassing
capacity is irrelevant and only bigger due to terracing, some of which is uncovered, location too. There are also pubs nearby and a bar on site, the public transport links for Tallaght are as good if not better. The difference is Tallaght is custom built for spectators, all seated and a more modern build.   

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Posted By: Bitored
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 5:21pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Let's try this another way. Which is the better stadium? Markevic Park or the Showgrounds?


Showgrounds obviously. The park is falling apart. But the question is overall. To pick one of the worst GAA grounds in the country is stupid.
Anyway the GAA infrastructure is miles ahead of the combined grassroots/LOI/international team infrastructure.

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Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 10:38pm
Well Waterford, Cork and Longford is the same story according to posters here....

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Posted By: Bitored
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2015 at 11:04pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Well Waterford, Cork and Longford is the same story according to posters here....


I have no idea why you have dragged the GAA into a discussion about LOI stadia. But what you have done is pick the best LOI grounds and pitted them against the worst GAA grounds.
If you want to do a comparison pick the top 5 GAA grounds and pit them against the best 5 LOI grounds. I reckon GAA grounds come out on top.

Now take the likes of Stradbrook and St. Coleman's park and pit them against marcevicz park. I reckon the GAA still comes out on top.

As most people have already told you here you're argument is like comparing apples with oranges. We may as well compare our grounds to EPL stadia. Its along the same line of pointlessness. We need to improve our stadia and so do other codes. The fact remains the GAA will take in 16million from the hurling semis (possibly could be football semis). Our league can only dream of that kind of revenue.
Their stadia works for them by and large ours don't.

If you need me to hammer home the point even more Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada in the home to Leitrim GAA in Carrick on Shannon. It has one stand with a capacity of 3000. If you offered it to our sides 10-15 of them would take it.

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Posted By: starryplough
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

How exactly is bray not good enough? Need new jacks but that's it

Saying it's worse than hunky dory is a joke


Theres not much between the two in fairness, but all fans in United Park have cover at least, they have a decent bar as well but I've not heard of any part of United Park literally collapse mid game. No matter the weather any away fan in Bray is guaranteed a cold evening in that away terrace


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Posted By: irish_goat
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 9:58am
To clarify, when I mentioned the Showgrounds I was referring to the Jinks Avenue side they put the away fans in. Was in there last night, big pot hole in the middle of the gravel dirt floor, few broken seats and the view is very obscured at parts if you don't stand down at the front. The main stand looks decent to be fair. 


Posted By: newrygreen
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 11:46am
Have only been to Dundalk, Derry, Bray and Drogehda in the LoI but I think the grounds are fast falling behind even in comparison to Irish League grounds. The likes of Seaview, Solitude, Mourneview Park and of course the new Windsor(I wont count that though) are at a much higher standard. Of course the IL has some terrible grounds too. The Oval is in an awful state, Taylors Avenue isn't great either and Warrenpoints ground is pretty small but relatively modernized compared to those LoI I've been to.
 
 


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Posted By: AnCearrbhach
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 11:49am
Originally posted by newrygreen newrygreen wrote:


Have only been to Dundalk, Derry, Bray and Drogehda in the LoI but I think the grounds are fast falling behind even in comparison to Irish League grounds. The likes of Seaview, Solitude, Mourneview Park and of course the new Windsor(I wont count that though) are at a much higher standard. Of course the IL has some terrible grounds too. The Oval is in an awful state, Taylors Avenue isn't great either and Warrenpoints ground is pretty small but relatively modernized compared to those LoI I've been to.
 
 

To be fair that's a pretty bad selection of LOI grounds, some nice little ground and some like some of the ones you mentioned pretty terrible.

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Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 11:49am
Originally posted by Bitored Bitored wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Well Waterford, Cork and Longford is the same story according to posters here....


I have no idea why you have dragged the GAA into a discussion about LOI stadia. But what you have done is pick the best LOI grounds and pitted them against the worst GAA grounds.
If you want to do a comparison pick the top 5 GAA grounds and pit them against the best 5 LOI grounds. I reckon GAA grounds come out on top.

Now take the likes of Stradbrook and St. Coleman's park and pit them against marcevicz park. I reckon the GAA still comes out on top.

As most people have already told you here you're argument is like comparing apples with oranges. We may as well compare our grounds to EPL stadia. Its along the same line of pointlessness. We need to improve our stadia and so do other codes. The fact remains the GAA will take in 16million from the hurling semis (possibly could be football semis). Our league can only dream of that kind of revenue.
Their stadia works for them by and large ours don't.

If you need me to hammer home the point even more Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada in the home to Leitrim GAA in Carrick on Shannon. It has one stand with a capacity of 3000. If you offered it to our sides 10-15 of them would take it.
My point was very clear but people chose the rage option. What are we comparing LoI grounds to? Domestically we are the same as the GAA, which is the only real comparison. Some great grounds, some ok grounds, some deathtraps. And they had billions from the state we didn't have, I think their facilites are a joke considering what they have to work with. 
 
Scotland is an interesing one as they are roughly the same population wise - no question they are miles ahead. Attendences, TV money and Taylor funds help.
 
Where do we compare with Cyprus, Croatia, Scandanavia etc? Scandanavia has massive state investment in sport at all levels so are by and large miles ahead. Other smaller countries would be interesting. Anyone know what the likes of Slovakia and Hungary etc have?


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Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 11:51am
Originally posted by newrygreen newrygreen wrote:

Have only been to Dundalk, Derry, Bray and Drogehda in the LoI but I think the grounds are fast falling behind even in comparison to Irish League grounds. The likes of Seaview, Solitude, Mourneview Park and of course the new Windsor(I wont count that though) are at a much higher standard. Of course the IL has some terrible grounds too. The Oval is in an awful state, Taylors Avenue isn't great either and Warrenpoints ground is pretty small but relatively modernized compared to those LoI I've been to.
 
 
As per the thread, three of the worst grounds and the Brandywell is due for knocking.  Compare Seaview, Solitude etc to Tallaght, Turners Cross etc and its not as clear.
 


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Posted By: irish_goat
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 11:57am
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

 the Brandywell is due for knocking.
  
Don't hold your breath on that. Thumbs Down


Posted By: newrygreen
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by newrygreen newrygreen wrote:

Have only been to Dundalk, Derry, Bray and Drogehda in the LoI but I think the grounds are fast falling behind even in comparison to Irish League grounds. The likes of Seaview, Solitude, Mourneview Park and of course the new Windsor(I wont count that though) are at a much higher standard. Of course the IL has some terrible grounds too. The Oval is in an awful state, Taylors Avenue isn't great either and Warrenpoints ground is pretty small but relatively modernized compared to those LoI I've been to.
 
 
As per the thread, three of the worst grounds and the Brandywell is due for knocking.  Compare Seaview, Solitude etc to Tallaght, Turners Cross etc and its not as clear.
 
 
Hopefully get to visit these grounds at some stage as well Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Bitored
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 3:21pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

My point was very clear but people chose the rage option. What are we comparing LoI grounds to? Domestically we are the same as the GAA, which is the only real comparison. Some great grounds, some ok grounds, some deathtraps. And they had billions from the state we didn't have, I think their facilites are a joke considering what they have to work with. 
 

Scotland is an interesing one as they are roughly the same population wise - no question they are miles ahead. Attendences, TV money and Taylor funds help.

 

Where do we compare with Cyprus, Croatia, Scandanavia etc? Scandanavia has massive state investment in sport at all levels so are by and large miles ahead. Other smaller countries would be interesting. Anyone know what the likes of Slovakia and Hungary etc have?


I think the bench mark we are comparing league of Ireland grounds to are other small/medium range clubs in countries of similar size and resources. The top of that hill would be the likes of Maribor who have a beautiful 8,000 seater stadium. There`s no point comparing it to GAA grounds because realistically our teams will never have grounds with 40k plus capacity or anything close to it.

I think having 5 or 6, 5-8 k 4 sided modern grounds is achievable in the league. We have Turners Cross. The Showgrounds and Tallaght are close but need more work. Dallymount and the Brandywell ae in the pipeline and have public money committed so we would need 2 or 3 more sides to also improve their grounds.

The sickening thing is when you realise some of the debt clubs like Drogheda and Shels got into blowing money on players. I`m sure their fans would have been much happier if they were in debt now but had superb facilities to show for it.

Its also worth saying that it isn't all about building more stands. The league has to get the basics right too. There has to be minimum standards for things like toilets and flood lights.

It sounds ridiculous but the FAI should be spot checking toilets at the beginning of matches. A reasonably nice toilet is very important to people particularly people with children. No one wants their child wading through 2 feet of piss.

Having all your bulbs working on your floodlights should also be a requirement for a match to go ahead.

At the beginning of the year the league took promo shots with the league trophy and there were clear smudge marks on the trophy. Those pictures then went into most papers in the country.

I watched a documentary about Cork City a few weeks back and one of their committee members was standing beside a big club crest stuck on the wall and one side of it was peeling down.

Those types of things are too common. All those things stuck in my head and they stick in the head of potential new fans too.

Minimum standards are essential to promote the league.

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Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 4:34pm
Originally posted by starryplough starryplough wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

How exactly is bray not good enough? Need new jacks but that's it

Saying it's worse than hunky dory is a joke


Theres not much between the two in fairness, but all fans in United Park have cover at least, they have a decent bar as well but I've not heard of any part of United Park literally collapse mid game. No matter the weather any away fan in Bray is guaranteed a cold evening in that away terrace


Then they can sit in the home stand as many, possibly even the majority, do


Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Then they can sit in the home stand as many, possibly even the majority, do
So the home stand in the Carlisle Grounds can deal with the full crowd when Rovers come to town?

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Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 5:05pm
Seeing as you've had f**k all there lately, yes

Dundalk had well over a thousand in in last year


Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 5:07pm
Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Seeing as you've had f**k all there lately, yes

Dundalk had well over a thousand in in last year

Away fans count as double with Shamrock though

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Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Seeing as you've had f**k all there lately, yes

Dundalk had well over a thousand in in last year
ok, can the one stand cope with all the Dundalk fans too?

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Posted By: joe lapira
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 5:38pm
I know this is about the state of grounds in the LOI but I think the Athletic Grounds in Armagh should be an example to all sports organisations in Ireland. They very simple cut their cloth to their measure.


 


Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 5:41pm
Seeing as they were all in the home stand, yes



Posted By: starryplough
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 6:52pm
Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Seeing as you've had f**k all there lately, yes

Dundalk had well over a thousand in in last year


The home stand holds less than 1,000 which would not be nearly enough. Good luck getting all our fans to fit in there, on top of your own home fans


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Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 7:04pm
Ground holds 4800, home stand holds more than a thousand, there wasn't one person anywhere but the home stand last year against dundalk and dundalk estimated the attendance at 2k %20" rel="nofollow - [http://www.dundalkfc.com/bray-1-1-dundalk

Anyone who wants to be in the home stand when the weather is bad can go in, I really don't see the issue


Posted By: starryplough
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 7:09pm
http://www.footballgroundguide.com/leagues/republic-of-ireland-premier-league-clubs/bray-wanderers.html#awhat-are-the-carlisle-grounds-like

"this new stand lacks the character of the stand it replaces, nevertheless the green canvas roof is in keeping with the club colours, the seven rows of green plastic seats providing cover for 985 spectators."

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Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 7:13pm
Dundalk off by a thousand so?

Not once in the last few years has anyone had to Stand in the say end in bad weather that didn't want to, with the possible exception of bohs who the Gardaí won't let into it

People having a go for the sake of it


Posted By: starryplough
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 7:19pm
I'm not have a go, its quite a small stand, 7 rows deep apparently? So 985 actually surprises me, I'd have gone for 800 myself. Dundalk being way off in their estimation wouldn't surprise me in the least. Not a dig at all ffs


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Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by starryplough starryplough wrote:

I'm not have a go, its quite a small stand, 7 rows deep apparently? So 985 actually surprises me, I'd have gone for 800 myself. Dundalk being way off in their estimation wouldn't surprise me in the least. Not a dig at all ffs


Not aimed at you, lot of people there having a cut, it was put down as worse than drogs!


Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 7:23pm
I like the Carlisle myself, nice little ground in a great location.

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Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 10:09pm
Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Ground holds 4800, home stand holds more than a thousand, there wasn't one person anywhere but the home stand last year against dundalk and dundalk estimated the attendance at 2k %20" rel="nofollow - [http://www.dundalkfc.com/bray-1-1-dundalk

Anyone who wants to be in the home stand when the weather is bad can go in, I really don't see the issue


There was loads of us on the away terrace that night! Easily a couple of hundred, I got in early enough so that I had a bit of shelter standing to the right of the media box in the middle of the stand, could only see half the pitch but had a bit of shelter

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Posted By: Mulvanystrasse
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 10:27pm
The Carlisle Grounds was always a really good pitch to play on both when Bray Wanderers were in the Leinster Senior League or after they joined the League of Ireland.


Posted By: The Boy Z
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Ground holds 4800, home stand holds more than a thousand, there wasn't one person anywhere but the home stand last year against dundalk and dundalk estimated the attendance at 2k %20" rel="nofollow - [http://www.dundalkfc.com/bray-1-1-dundalk

Anyone who wants to be in the home stand when the weather is bad can go in, I really don't see the issue


There was loads of us on the away terrace that night! Easily a couple of hundred, I got in early enough so that I had a bit of shelter standing to the right of the media box in the middle of the stand, could only see half the pitch but had a bit of shelter

There was 3 or 400 getting pissed on on the terrace that night. The stand was rammed tho. Everyone standing in the aisles etc.

Bray were great that night too Clap


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Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 10:40pm
Should have beaten us that night, this they hit the woodwork near then end

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Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 7:21am
My memory has gone bad then, I could have sworn everyone was in the home end! never seen worse conditions at a game, was a great day!


Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 8:11am
Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by starryplough starryplough wrote:

I'm not have a go, its quite a small stand, 7 rows deep apparently? So 985 actually surprises me, I'd have gone for 800 myself. Dundalk being way off in their estimation wouldn't surprise me in the least. Not a dig at all ffs


Not aimed at you, lot of people there having a cut, it was put down as worse than drogs!
while I wouldn't personally agree it is worse than united park, there is an argument that away fans are uncovered and exposed, using portabogs and there is the semi regular structural collapses of walls. Location and welcome are plus points

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Posted By: Gary McKay
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 8:55am
Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Seeing as you've had f**k all there lately, yes

Dundalk had well over a thousand in in last year

Away fans count as double with Shamrock though
More vociferous.
More educated.
More affluent.
More sophisticated.
 
So yeah I'd agree with you.
 
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Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 9:04am
They never make a peep in bray anyway, always very quiet

Jacks situation in bray is very bad alright.


Posted By: billyoung
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 6:07pm
Love the carlisle personally,great spot.medical facilities for the players though,oh dear.wearen for bohs the other night had to go off for stitches,couldnt get in the dressing rooms as they were locked.then neither the bray doctor nor the johns ambulance had the nescessary in their medical kits.ambulance arrived 15 mins later and sorted it apparently,not the best situation when the club doctor cant sort a couple of stitches ffs.


Posted By: starryplough
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 7:25pm
Originally posted by billyoung billyoung wrote:

Love the carlisle personally,great spot.medical facilities for the players though,oh dear.wearen for bohs the other night had to go off for stitches,couldnt get in the dressing rooms as they were locked.then neither the bray doctor nor the johns ambulance had the nescessary in their medical kits.ambulance arrived 15 mins later and sorted it apparently,not the best situation when the club doctor cant sort a couple of stitches ffs.


Do Bohs not send their own doctor to games now?


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Posted By: Bitored
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 7:59pm
Originally posted by billyoung billyoung wrote:

Love the carlisle personally,great spot.medical facilities for the players though,oh dear.wearen for bohs the other night had to go off for stitches,couldnt get in the dressing rooms as they were locked.then neither the bray doctor nor the johns ambulance had the nescessary in their medical kits.ambulance arrived 15 mins later and sorted it apparently,not the best situation when the club doctor cant sort a couple of stitches ffs.


That's nuts, you would think the first thing a paramedic or Doctor would carry would be a stitching kit. Bray must be paying for them to be there and when they are needed they are useless.

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Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 8:18pm
Was awful weird on Fri alright, between the two clubs and the St John's ambulance it's bits nobody could throw a few stitches in


Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2015 at 12:27pm
Originally posted by billyoung billyoung wrote:

not the best situation when the club doctor cant sort a couple of stitches ffs.
So Bohs medical staff not being able to treat a Bohs player reflects on the infrastructure of an away ground how?

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