City and Pats in the First Division
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Topic: City and Pats in the First Division
Posted By: AnCearrbhach
Subject: City and Pats in the First Division
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 5:27pm
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There's an article in the Examiner today saying the FAI confirmed to
delegates at an EGM this week that City and Pats have registered
interest in fielding B teams in the First Division next year. ------------- Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
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Posted By: PanteirA
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 7:39pm
| This cant be good for a division that is f**ked already. |
Posted By: corkery
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 7:40pm
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It would have to go to the fans at the next AGM. As a Cork shareholder, I'll be voting no. ------------- 'The younger generation as in 17 -25 are certainly gayer than their predecessors. I think they may cause the extinction of the human race with their activities.'- Baldrick |
Posted By: AnCearrbhach
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 7:49pm
Will this definitely go to a FORAS vote. I actually think it could be worth the investment but would prefer if the MSL would let us in instead but thats not going to happen. Losing too many taleted players from the dominant 19s. ------------- Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
corkery wrote:Posted By: PanteirA
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 7:54pm
| How much is it costing Rovers to field a first division team? Why will you vote no Corkery? Im assuming its the cost of it |
Posted By: Doyler1993
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 7:57pm
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Think this will benefit both the league and those teams in the long run. Providing the step up from u19 to senior level and also help in producing better and younger players who may be lost after u19 and giving them competitive senior football at little risk. Cost is high but if they get one or two players out of it that go to england for a nice amount of money it will be worth it. England are trying to get this brought into their system so cant see why it would be a bad thing here providing the clubs have the money to do it. ------------- IT’S NO USE BOILING YOUR CABBAGE TWICE |
Posted By: corkery
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 8:02pm
I don't thing it helps the league at all. It's adding another mickey mouse club with no potential for a fan base into the league. To answer the above question, yes it will go to a vote. The Munster Senior League will not allow League Of Ireland clubs into the league because they think Cork would just win it every year. That's what happen in the youth leagues, Cork City ruined them leagues. ------------- 'The younger generation as in 17 -25 are certainly gayer than their predecessors. I think they may cause the extinction of the human race with their activities.'- Baldrick |
Posted By: AnCearrbhach
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 8:06pm
To be fair a cork city b team will attract bigger crowds than most junior or intermediate clubs that could join. I'm not saying its the better option I do however believe it will benefit City whether or not it will help or hinder the league I don't know. ------------- Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
Posted By: corkery
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 8:10pm
To be fair, I'll be open to all sides on the issue and may consider changing my opinion. About a third of Cobh's support are Cork City fans. Looks like they'd be in big trouble. ------------- 'The younger generation as in 17 -25 are certainly gayer than their predecessors. I think they may cause the extinction of the human race with their activities.'- Baldrick |
Posted By: AnCearrbhach
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 8:15pm
Likewise could vote either way. Funnily enough a cork derby even against the reserves may increase interest in Cobh ------------- Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
Posted By: Saint Tom
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 8:33pm
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Will we all be handed glamour friendlies to cover the cost a la rovers? Wouldn't hold my breath ------------- My destination inchicore my next stop being kilmainham Where patriots and super saints are the topics of conversation |
Posted By: saintjoey
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 8:45pm
| Not sure Id be a fan of this, I know bucko wants it but personally I think its a waste of money |
Posted By: Doyler1993
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 9:18pm
Do you not think it would provide a better opportunity for young players to come through the set up and provide them with crucial senior experiance with little risk for the club as results will not be that important to a certain extent instead of them being released after u19. If one of these players becomes decent and an english club comes in for them the money will be made back quick enough. ------------- IT’S NO USE BOILING YOUR CABBAGE TWICE |
Posted By: corkery
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 9:25pm
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We could have a very likely scenario where Rovers, Pats and Cork finish in the top three. That would mean the fourth team would go up and fifth would play sixth for the play off. ------------- 'The younger generation as in 17 -25 are certainly gayer than their predecessors. I think they may cause the extinction of the human race with their activities.'- Baldrick |
Posted By: PanteirA
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 9:43pm
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Posted By: Saint Tom
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 10:41pm
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Rovers budgeted €80 k a year afaik ------------- My destination inchicore my next stop being kilmainham Where patriots and super saints are the topics of conversation |
Posted By: starryplough
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 11:30pm
I wondered how long before the big bad Rovers got blamed for this. Try get a few fans, become an attraction and you might get selected some time in the future petal ------------- Some Clubs Are Bigger Than Others |
Posted By: Madferret
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 12:52am
The First Division "Affiliation" fee is €10k PanteirA, and I believe the total per annum cost is short of €100k. But there are some economies of scale savings (admin, training, etc) and we are allowed utilise 4 players from the Premier squad (Incl GK) to play for the First Division side. This has meant that players such as Sheppard & Bayly have got regular game time they might not otherwise have got without there being any additional cost to the club for those 4 players. I would think at some stage there will have to be some limit on the amount of Premier Division clubs that can field second teams because the additional expense incurred in travel & other costs for First Division clubs who don't have a Premier "parent" team will eventually become prohibitive. And I wouldn't like that to be at the expense of long standing clubs like Cobh & Finn Harps.
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Posted By: PanteirA
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 7:31am
 Some good points by you there. More trips to Cork for Finn Harps will have added expense they could do without
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Posted By: KingswoodRover
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 10:37am
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Just wondering what the impact would be on crowds with 3 B teams in the league. Rovers B are attracting crowds in the low hundreds, cant see Cork or Pats getting any more. Being a fan of say Longford or Shels for instance the attraction of going to a home game when you have a "B" team as oppo is less than appealing and could be percieved as somewhat demeaning to your club. In saying that i hope the 2 clubs do partake in the 1st Div/B league next season can only be good for young players development........All Ireland B league anyone? |
Posted By: Saint Tom
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 11:27am
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Don't get relegated then. Any club worth their salt should be able to avoid it ------------- My destination inchicore my next stop being kilmainham Where patriots and super saints are the topics of conversation |
Posted By: Na Firinne
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 11:34am
Any link to the article pal? ------------- Ireland's Number 1!! |
Posted By: saintjoey
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 12:25pm
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I can see the small benefits but Think 100k could be used a lot better, for example roofing the stand behind the goal could be done for 100k? If we go with it im not gonna complain its their decision. Could be used for a decent weekend away somewhere if no senior game same time |
Posted By: engpad
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 1:56pm
| Would it be worth looking into affiliation with certain local clubs as clubs do in MLS? An easy way to loan players to that particular club to help gain experience |
Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 2:10pm
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If Bohs don't formally object to this like they did Rovers last season they are hypocrites, spivs and cowards. ------------- He is Karl Pilkington in the LOI section and Karl Marx outwith it |
Posted By: kevincronin2000
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 3:38pm
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Would rather see cork city have a munster senior league side than a loi first division side. What would happen if a premier division side got relegated who also had a first division side. ------------- time is the stuff that life is made of, don't waste it. |
Posted By: smart man
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 2:56pm
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After watching Pats last night they have enough problems with the first team without taking on a B team. ------------- alive and kicking |
Posted By: The Saint
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:12pm
 Bad night alright but don't see how this has any effect on a B team ------------- FAIlure Good shot, lovely ............ oh good jaysus |
Posted By: saintjoey
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:19pm
Eh what? |
Posted By: starryplough
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:25pm
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Any short term affects to Pats? http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/nama-takes-businessman-to-court-over-468m-debt-30452257.html ------------- Some Clubs Are Bigger Than Others |
Posted By: Cabs88
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 12:51am
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As a Longford fan, I really hope we get promoted this year, the thoughts of playing cork, rovers and pats 'b' sides isn't too appealing. It will definitely be the death knell of the first division if two of Longford /shels / Galway go up and be replaced by a depleted Athlone / ucd team. Would feel sorry for harps who are building a new stadium and Wexford who are making good strides trying to attract supporters to their games. Waterford and Cobh also have LOI history. Yes it would benefit player retention, but only among the bigger clubs who will supplement their youth teams with first division players to the detriment of other clubs. Not for me. ------------- Beidh lá eile ag an bPaorach |
Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 12:59am
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So what is the alternative? ------------- He is Karl Pilkington in the LOI section and Karl Marx outwith it |
Posted By: saintjoey
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 4:21pm
The million pound question! I completely understand clubs not wanting B teams in the 1st division! Only serves to kill off any support clubs are trying to build and the 3 clubs will never have big supports, yes maybe they would have bigger than some as it is but it's never gonna get better! In short iv no idea what can be done |
Posted By: brissy
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 8:08pm
| Somethiing has to be done with the first division its not perfect but senior teams outside dublin cant get there act together, country teams should join up three or four teams in to one good club like galway eventuly did,every county should have a club near enough to them |
Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 9:09pm
Senior teams outside Dublin can't get their act together? Have you looked at the league table recently? Top two from outside Dublin 3 of the four representatives in Europe this week were from outside Dublin -------------  YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
Posted By: brissy
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 10:20pm
| What i mean is senior non league teams, they should join up, two many dublin teams struggling money wise,so teams outside dublin club together and have good set up,learn from limerick fc,kildare,wexford etc,ye fair play to the likes of cork and dundalk.sligo and srfc are best ran clubs in ireland (sorry thats what i meant senior non league to improve outside dublin 1st division) |