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Topic: Trap Juniors Musings
Posted By: reddladd
Subject: Trap Juniors Musings
Date Posted: 04 May 2014 at 4:31pm
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Can we start up a thread for Trap Junior where he can share all his musings on various subjects. It will definately be long and head scratching thread and should be made a sticky. In fact could we make it a sticky in every section. ------------- I could agree with you but then we'd both be wrong. |
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Posted By: BigStrongMan
Date Posted: 04 May 2014 at 5:10pm
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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 04 May 2014 at 9:02pm
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Reddlad can I ask you this question: Which type of stand do you prefer? Cantelever:  Or Pillared  ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: RogerMilla
Date Posted: 05 May 2014 at 7:41am
TJ
Now i know what cantelever is ------------- The first time the Devil made me do it. The second time I did it on my own. |
Posted By: Salzburglilly
Date Posted: 05 May 2014 at 8:33am
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TJ'S threads ------------- Nathan Collins - The best Kildare baller since Johnny Doyle! |
Posted By: Artie Ziff
Date Posted: 05 May 2014 at 6:25pm
He does wear fine trousers ------------- It would damage this forums' reputation |
Salzburglilly wrote:Posted By: SuperDave84
Date Posted: 05 May 2014 at 11:12pm
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Cantilever, every time. Why would anyone prefer a pillared stand? They only get in the way. ------------- 
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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 05 May 2014 at 11:18pm
Could have done with a few pillars at Selhurst Park tonight. ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Just saying like
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 8:28pm
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Maybe Javier could get a thread of his own as well - preferably on a different website. ------------- I don't know what more we can do in terms of being open and transparent - John Delaney |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2015 at 3:16am
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You know the internet right? Well you know the amount of web pages being created everyday yeah? The internet while technically been in existence since 1994 most people in Ireland anyway probably werent online until the early 2000's. Anyway with millions of web pages being created everyday alone and old ones remaining for eternity how long before the internet loses storage space? Are we going to have to build massive warehouses to house all this info? I think Apple are building one in Athenry. Will the world get broken because of this? what about Cyberdyne Systems. Computers are bad. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2015 at 10:26pm
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I am watching the film The Bourne Identity. Since they left Zurich in a red mini the intelligence agencies and the police have been following them. A guy enters their apartment but Bourne kills him. In his bag they find papers which have identified Bourne and the red haired girl. They have photos of them and their name. The cops chase them around Paris in the car. Bourne is some driver and manages to get away. In the next scene he says to the girl that they must abandon the car and he will wipe it down. So that brings me to my next musing. People wipe down cars and stuff so they cant be identified through fingerprints or DNA. But the authorities already know who he is and who the girl is and they know they were driving that car. So why wipe it down?? Answers on a postcard please. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Green Devil
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2015 at 11:11pm
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"Being different should be applauded, not frowned upon" ------------- "He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland," Eamonn Dunphy on Glenn Whelan |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2019 at 12:40am
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Before the advent of HD tv why did American tv look different to UK or Irish or European tv in the 90's 80's etc? Think back to USA 94 and watching the games in blurry American picture quality and the ball shimmering as it is kicked through the air. Was like you had dodgy eyesight and hadn't your glasses on. What was the reason? I want answers. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Claret Murph
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2019 at 7:02am
------------- Lansdowne Road debut aged 52 and 201 days . |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2019 at 10:29am
Interesting  ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: lassassinblanc
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2019 at 11:07am
 You really do bring a smile to my face. |
Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2019 at 11:10am
Perverts. ------------- Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands. |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 7:31pm
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Have you ever noticed the crowd noise after a goal on the continent versus EIRE or UK? In EIRE/UK we shout somethng like a ''yeah!!'' sound. In Spain etc its like a collective ''Hawww'!!!' sound. Wonder what they are shouting. This post was brought to you in association with Mattress Firm. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 12:27am
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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 3:00pm
There is a 123.ie ad promoting safe driving and thus cheaper car insurance by using some app of theirs yet in the ad the mother is distracting her son with the phone while he is driving with the aforementioned app potentially causing a crash, death and ultimately higher car insurance. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2019 at 8:13pm
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Timothy Dalton was actually an excellent Bond. He was a more serious Bond and played the role superbly. The Living Daylights is a great film. Also why are many of the villains posh English coonts? The Man with the Golden Gun et al... ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2019 at 10:22pm
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Why did Christiano Ronaldo never become known as Chris Ronaldo? ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 11:10pm
This is post of the year.
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Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 11:13pm
It’s different in Scotland than England More of a Yaaahhhhh in Scotland
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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2019 at 1:49pm
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Sue Smith is a dead ringer for Stephen Warnock.  ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2019 at 10:58pm
| Ever notice when they show a close up of a manager on the bench and then he glances up at the big screen and sees himself on it but tries to remain acting cool |
Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2019 at 11:05pm
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I wonder has anyone ever injured themselves running on as a sub and had to be taken straight off again. Just noted how fast Cenk Tosun ran on today. Could easily have pinged a hamstring.
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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2019 at 11:13pm
Darren Anderton probably ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2019 at 7:04pm
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Are there any footballers who don;t arrive at the stadium for a match not wearing earphones? ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: rolo
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2019 at 7:05pm
All of them. ------------- "I'm off to see the Queen tomorrow too, don't forget that" |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2019 at 7:20pm
Sorry double negative. Should have read ''Are there any footballers who don't arrive at the stadium for a match wearing earphones?'' Do any of them arrive not listening to music? ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Claret Murph
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 2:31pm
Sean Dyche outlawed it as he said " people have come to see the players and it's not asking much for them to talk to the fans "  ------------- Lansdowne Road debut aged 52 and 201 days . |
Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 2:57pm
| If I was a Burnley player i'd be wearing them in the dressing room, so you wouldn't have to hear that horrible voice of Dyche's |
Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 1:25am
| If Nigeria played at home to Germany would it say NIG-GER in the top left corner of the screen? |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2019 at 10:09pm
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Do hi-fis exist anymore and if they do, do people buy them?  ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: SuperDave84
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2019 at 10:56pm
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People don't buy hifis as such, but they do still buy speakers and turntables. Smart speakers and TV soundbars can be used for the same thing, by and large, as they are basically all internet connected now. The kind of people who used to buy hifis are now far more likely to buy things like Sonos or Bose speakers and connect them to their home wifi - once you can connect them to spotify or other music service, they function like a hifi. Obviously hipsters still buy turntables for their vinyl collections and connect those to amps and other speakers but hifis are limited at the minute - there's little or no point in buying them, when all you need is a smart speaker connected to the internet. -------------
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Posted By: killer kilbane
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2019 at 9:07pm
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Why is it if you put your finger in a cup of tea it would get burned but when you take a sup it doesn't burn your tongue ------------- And it's come through now to mackay... and it's there |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2019 at 9:30pm
I pity the fool who burns his finger. I do. I pity the fool. ![Image result for mr tea"](https://quitegoodcards.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Col-Mr-Tea.jpg "Image result for mr tea"") ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2019 at 10:13pm
Is it not the other way about? I’ve burnt my tongue on tea many’s a time Never yet burnt my finger
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Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2019 at 10:22pm
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I drink a good bit of tea and I don’t think I have ever put my finger in one. Why would you? ------------- Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands. |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2019 at 10:24pm
to see if its wet ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2019 at 10:25pm
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And fingers are covered in germs. I just take my chances.
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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2019 at 2:17pm
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Why do loads of continental clubs have their training ground beside the stadium where as this never happens in England? Why was Ajax's De Meer stadium so small? ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2019 at 2:30pm
Planning - The concept, not the user on here. A lot of the UK teams had stadia right in the towns and cities so it wasn't practical to have the training ground beside.
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Posted By: Green Devil
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2019 at 3:13pm
Most would have accommodation for players at their training bases also, so an ideal situation when playing a home game. In truth it's the right way to do it. The team would do their morning session and possibly an afternoon session, then in the evening do your analysis/pre match prep and only having a tiny journey to the stadium the following day. ------------- "He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland," Eamonn Dunphy on Glenn Whelan |
Posted By: Bob Hoskins
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2019 at 3:40pm
------------- Romario 2016: And the ticket mafia gets caught! Well, four years ago I had already told the government. |
Posted By: Claret Murph
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2019 at 6:04pm
Feck off Bob ------------- Lansdowne Road debut aged 52 and 201 days . |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2019 at 12:49am
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The Premier League was only formed in April 1992. As In the clubs only agreed to form the Premier League in April 1992. That's an amazingly short period of time to go from agreeing to forming it to making logos and tv deals etc and the launch in August 1992. Would take about 3 yrs nowadays. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2019 at 3:59pm
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Those Kerrygold butter ads where they show the old ads from about 15-30 yrs ago. The Irish mothers in it are pure ignorant grunting at the foreign daughter in laws. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 4:37pm
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TJ, sorry to usurp your thread. But I couldn’t think of any place else for this. Wales conceded some amount of world class goals during their disastrous Euro 96 qualifying campaign.
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Posted By: FrankosHereNow
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 4:41pm
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Was that the campaign they lost 5-0 to Georgia? ------------- YBIG Quiz Champion 2016, 2017 & 2018. As You Were Three in a row |
Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 4:44pm
Yeah. The lobs in the game were something else.
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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 5:08pm
This thread is open to all ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 7:50pm
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Why are they advertising for companies to advertise on tv? Dying out? ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 7:57pm
Companies have drastically cut expenditure. Advertising being one, RTE after 10pm, the last few weeks, probably only has 2 ads per break as opposed to maybe five pre Covid
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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 8:04pm
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I see. Never noticed that. But all companies need to advertise. I pay more attention to ads on tv than say some pop up ad on youtube. I agree with the man on the ad. Today's bread today. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 8:08pm
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my idea...on file... in a filing cwabinet ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 8:09pm
What ad was that from? ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 8:13pm
Donegal Catch my good man ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 8:17pm
I don't remember that ad. Just goes to show how ineffective tv advertising is. Much better to pay for a pop up youtube ad. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 8:18pm
one of the better ones. the lads at sea on a trawler talking sh*te. ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: Lenny82
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2020 at 1:44am
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I would think the numbers watching live TV these days are dwindling. Most of what I watch has been recorded and you fast forward through the ads. Product Placement is where it's at these days. So many programmes have the 'PP' pop up in the corner at the start!
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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2020 at 1:52am
I like trawlers ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 6:03pm
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Anyone else noticed the leaves on the trees are all browning and wilting? Its like September. I thought leaves were supposed to be green in summer. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: BrendanD88
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 6:47pm
| That’s the Covid taking effect. |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 7:00pm
When do you think they will leave hospital? ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Claret Murph
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2020 at 4:11pm
------------- Lansdowne Road debut aged 52 and 201 days . |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2020 at 4:55pm
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Wind burn eh? The trees are in bits. ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2020 at 7:03pm
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Do McDonald's still sell those apple pies in the cardboard tube that when you bite into them are hotter than the surface of the sun? ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2020 at 10:54pm
they do indeed  ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2020 at 11:00pm
I miss those 3rd degree burns in my oral cavity ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2020 at 11:15pm
Focking love them ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2020 at 11:26pm
The special ingredient was cinnamon ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2020 at 8:47pm
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Why the fook is everything suddenly 'powered by' something else? Watching Sky Sports watchalong of the Everton v Liverpool match and this flashes up on the bottom of the screen: Sky Sports powered by 'Fanzone' YBIG powered by Trap Junior McDonalds powered by Big Mac Samsung powered by Android ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Deane
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2020 at 9:04pm
My house powered by Electric Ireland.
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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2020 at 9:10pm
At least that makes sense! ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 7:33pm
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Why does every video online now have that TikTok logo on it now? I know its some sh*te app yoke but people shared videos before so why the need to share it through this? ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 8:13pm
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I think you need a new thread. Not a musing. That's a query.
------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 8:51am
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Random thought but does O'Shea ever post in this section or does he strictly confine himself to RoI? I dont think i've ever spotted a post from him in here. I used to dread the day SirAlex wandered into the RoI
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Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 11:26pm
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Anybody remember this at all or am I dreaming. USA 94. Belgium were playing. Ball goes out of play and into the stand. Enzo Scifo is waiting for the ball from the crowd. Yank in the crowd proceeds to take a black marker from his pocket. Autographs it and throws it back to him. Anyone? ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: doherty
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 11:27pm
Eeeeeeh no
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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 11:41pm
Don't remember that But I'm sure there used to be a clip on the Grandstand intro where some sportsperson autographed a camera lens ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 11:43pm
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It definitely happened. I think it was Belgium anyway. ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: armahibee
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 11:45pm
Golfer John daly I with stocky golfer with blonde mullet I think
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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 12:31am
Ah yes, that was it Cc: of Roberto Baggio - I used to like John Daly but don't like him anymore because he's a massive Trump head ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 7:10am
How bizarre |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 11:17am
Oooh baby I'm makin' you crazy Every time I look around You're in my face ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 1:22pm
| Why do you always hear about the rain in Manchester, but never in other nearby cities such as Liverpool or Leeds? |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 1:38pm
Because they renamed themselves Oasis ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 11:50am
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Meeting people that have done very well in life - business owners, successful people etc but they're absolute dopes and you cannot fathom how in the name of jaysis they have achieved success. ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 11:58am
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Is Alan Sugar in Dublin? ------------- Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands. |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 12:25pm
An excellent example. ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 12:30pm
Donald Trump Boris Johnson ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |
Posted By: Denis Irwin
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 12:44pm
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JD ? ------------- Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one". Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 12:54pm
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That reminds me, what was Topper banned for? ------------- Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands. |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 1:11pm
Nah, he was a cunning megalomaniac in fairness. ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 1:18pm
To be fair sligo hornet is sound. ------------- AKA pedantic kunt |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 1:21pm
The bumbling hornet is sorely missed on here. ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: Claret Murph
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 2:16pm
Must have lost his sting ------------- Lansdowne Road debut aged 52 and 201 days . |
Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2020 at 10:35pm
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There seems to be a serious amount of Mendys playing football in England ------------- Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more... |