the FAI need to act now, two good candidates in o'neill and mcdermott available. but they won't as they will wait until this time next year to save on wages

Its just as boring and predictable as hearing people with the alternative argument. 

BTW I agree with Denis Irwin. Whilst I agree with ****is and that gombeen in the herald (Hyland) ATM it would be very hypocritical now to support their arguments after criticising the latter personally in Kazakhstan only a few months ago. Hyland has always been anti Trap. And he has always been anti manager since I can remember. He has lost any credibility he may have had.

 

Was he not involved in the last selection process

Don Givens, Houghton and not sure the 3rd (Hand?), but nearly sure it wasnt Giles

 

EDIT: I stand corrected

In the running?! 

They waited nearly 5 months the last time and it was to save money. 

 

can only agree here , we are still in the running and this sh*t about hoolohan being pissed off is irrelevant right now

 

Do you think based on form over the last 10 years we can go to austria and win, and also beat sweden at home. Maybe you think we can do a job on the germans also? Under the current regime we are out of it. If we cannot beat austria at home we do not deserve to go to the World Cup.

 

re sunday world im sure its a nothing story, not even worth mentioning tbh, my initial post was relating to his constant talking down of our players. Try makng an argument based on substance rather than spouting out childish green tinted platitudes, maybe then i will respect your opinion.

 

 

People give out about Trap being Defeatist

 

 

just so i know is anyone who is anti trap a tool with a chip on their shoulder in your book?? Sadlier is unbiased imo and is entitled to his opinion like anyone else

 

I'm afraid he might just get the nod though if not in work by the end of the year. He'll certainly galvanise the team for a period, spirit and that usual never say die attitude will be evident to begin with......there might even be a high profile scalp along the way but like most managers he'll have his own clique and we'll be questioning him in time too. Remember he's not too keen on young players or small ones at that.

and the prize for staing the obvious goes to....

you didn't even know how many points we had, says it all really. 

when did he say trap deserved another contract? Can you name one point Sadlier made that proved to be wrong? Sadlier is a very good journalist and provides excellent insight into the game if you read his pieces regularly.

So unless you have managed a team you cannot express your views on football. We may as well close down the forum so. Did you ever stop to think for one minute that there is not a great conspiracy against trapattoni?

 

he didnt stay on that bandwagon for long  

 

dont think he is a good journalist at all citizen , some good anecdotes from his career in his articles but not a good analyst and is coming across too biased.

 

see johnny giles analysis on the off the ball podcast this week , tears traps tactics to shreds, just cause i agree with richies conclusions doesnt mean i like his analysis , one trick pony imo.

 

 

yup , thats his formula alright.

 

Of course he didnt. Hes not deluded like some on here who mustve been too busy singing TFOA than watching the matches in Poland and acknowledging the baffling team selections and substitutions.

Before the tournament there weren't too many that recognised that Trap needed to go (Citizen and Trapped apart) but now most people (including Sadlier) have acknowledged that he's inept and deserves to be out on his ear.

We were all gutted to see Houlihan not play... and can understand if he was too. However players have to respect a managers decision even if its wrong and I sincerely hope he makes himself available in May/June. I hope he remains fit, gets to play and prove to Trap he is a match winner.

As much as I have time for Doyle, He hasn't been near his best for a while in the irish shirt and to whinge to the press is almost premadonna like. I hope Wes dont go the same way, hes worked too hard for too long... and no one is more deserving of a call up... Plus hes a talented gifted fella

 

completely irrelevant .

 

 

 

sad times, he is just in the squad, now he is spitting the dummy , find it hard to blame trap for this , another primadonna if the above is true....

 

 

 

absolutely , jaysis hoolohan is complaing about missing his family and he has only been on about 3 trips FFS , i really hope this was just a disgruntled family member who wanted to see him come on.

 

otherwise  

 I think you'll find, bar a tiny no. of European nations - San Marino being the only one I know off the top of my head, possibly a couple more - he's the longest serving international manager currently

 

The ones who stay longer are there based on early successes and it usually ends up badly, Charlton, Ramsey, Trap (with Italy) etc.....

Correct. This point was made by Giles not too long ago (Think it was after Kazak on OTB). Big difference to club football, as you tend to be sticking with same system and players as you cant buy..

4 years is long enough for any international manager bar exceptional circumstances (i.e. Spain) - which certainly isnt the case for us now! 

If you look at major finals finalists in recent years:

2012 - Prandelli (1st campaign) Del Bosque (2nd)

2010 - Van Marwijk (1st) Del Bosque (1st)

2008 - Loew (1st) Aragones (2nd)

2006 - Domenech (1st - and look at what happened him 4 years later) Lippi (1st)

2004 - Rehhagel (1st) Scolari (1st)

Someone else can continue but the only 2 managers that made the final not on their 1st attempt were the Spanish managers which nobody can argue is an exceptional circumstance.

Agree, there is no basis to limit the term of an international managers, only success

 

I'm not one to defend Trap blindly, but if Trap walked into the Allianz arena last night with something to say, both sets of fans would have sat up and listened to what he would have to say. who of not really gives a sh1t what giles has to say?

I doubt there are many that didnt want him out last autumn that want him out now. Id say the only people that were turned from last week's result were people that were on the fence. 

What are the dubious reasons that people want him out now? Trapped and Citizen, for example, were proven right. I, like most on here, were blinded by success against significantly inferior teams over the previous 2 years. I even gave him the benefit of the doubt before Kazakhstan thinking he may change. I was proven wrong then. There is nothing dubious over people wanting him axed. He has more or less put us out of the running half way through the campaign. We are already relying on favours from others and a miracle in our own matches in September. There can be nothing gained from him staying in charge. 

We lost (embarrassed ourselves) in 4 of the 6 competitive games we played last year and were barbaric against the mighty Kazaks and the 1st half in the Faroes. That proved them right IMO

planning wrote: Stillhuntinghenry wrote: I've heard people bang on that we are on target, can qualify and that we can get results against Sweden and Austria. But we took 2 points from our last 2 games, to me 4 points was a neccessity. What then would have put us out of the running in these posters eyes?? 1 point or less. We don't have to beat Austria and Sweden, we just have to better their records in the rest of the campaign. We did it to Holland, we did it to Denmark, and we did it to Slovakia before, even though we only won 1 of the games against them.

We lost (embarrassed ourselves) in 4 of the 6 competitive games we played last year and were barbaric against the mighty Kazaks and the 1st half in the Faroes. That proved them right IMO

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Their players are much better than ours.

I would say only one of our players would get into any of those teams and that's Coleman.

Sacking the manager is not the answer.

As a matter of interest who do you want to replace Trap?

I also don't how Ireland being beated proved that they were right - am I missing something?
I know Citizen has been anti Trap for a long time but doesn't make him right.

Looking at the bigger picture Trap managed us for 2 campaigns and got us to 2 play off's - that to me is success.



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Ive said it before and I'll stand over it; I dont see the point in speculating when the manager is still in the job. Who knows who will be available in 7 months time. 

If he did go last week I'd go for McCarthy (preferably) or O' Neill. I know the latter's shortcomings and his style of play won't be too dissimilar to Trap's but I'm not worried about the style of play, never have. No doubt like all of the pro-Trap brigade you'll dismiss both of these. 

They always went on about how we were not too far away from a mauling - or similar enough - whilst everyone else on the forum were predicting a draw against Croatia and a win against the finished Italy because Trap's tactics were ideal for championships... 

His tactics were shown up. His team selection was shown up and his substitutions were shocking. He continued this trend in Kazakhstan. And similar v Germany. He began to turn the corner against the Faroes with the team selection and did so to an extent in Stockholm, until he decided to bring on Keogh and Sammon. Again a shocking managerial performance last Tuesday.

Trap should never have got a new contract, they said it, and they were justified. We could be spending half, if not a quuarter on management and be in better shape with something to be optimistic about in September.

That is success, but his time was up after the Euros. Dont like getting too hung up on stats. But Loew was the only manager at the Euros that was in charge for more than 2 campaigns. I think that 4 years is about the shelf life desired for international managers, unless there is still signs of progress. There was signs of regress, and so it has turned out. 

Kerrzy wrote: horsebox wrote: I also don't how Ireland being beaten proved that they were right - am I missing something? I know Citizen has been anti Trap for a long time but doesn't make him right. Looking at the bigger picture Trap managed us for 2 campaigns and got us to 2 play off's - that to me is success. They always went on about how we were not too far away from a mauling - or similar enough - whilst everyone else on the forum were predicting a draw against Croatia and a win against the finished Italy because Trap's tactics were ideal for championships...  His tactics were shown up. His team selection was shown up and his substitutions were shocking. He continued this trend in Kazakhstan. And similar v Germany. He began to turn the corner against the Faroes with the team selection and did so to an extent in Stockholm, until he decided to bring on Keogh and Sammon. Again a shocking managerial performance last Tuesday. Trap should never have got a new contract, they said it, and they were justified. We could be spending half, if not a quuarter on management and be in better shape with something to be optimistic about in September. That is success, but his time was up after the Euros. Dont like getting too hung up on stats. But Loew was the only manager at the Euros that was in charge for more than 2 campaigns. I think that 4 years is about the shelf life desired for international managers, unless there is still signs of progress. There was signs of regress, and so it has turned out.

We said that about both double headers with Russia and Slovakia in the last campaign. We got 1 point from the first double header and 2 points in the second. Guess who finished 2nd........

People are ridiculing others on here for still having belief that we can qualify and it's f**king ridiculous. Fair enough if you don't think we can but no need to ram it down peoples throat! The nay sayers apparently know we won't qualify while some of us still believe we can qualify. We're not saying we will, we're saying we can.