The sad thing is if they had’ve got the move to Dublin, majority of the muppets on here would have creamed themselves!

Replay all over this one.

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Of course I blame the people that allowed the move (though wasn’t it only 2 out of the 3 that voted for it?).

But if the people of MK wanted their own football club, they should have set up their own club and started at the bottom like every other new club – rather than support a club that was taken away from the supporters of that club

I really hope they go bust – and the sooner the better

Personally I could never support a club that was formed in the way mk were formed – even if it was on my door step

Regardless on if mk are doing everything right in the community, getting young people to the matches,etc now – it’s still not right what they did.

They could have done all that without robbing another clubs league place – and could have started a new club and worked their way up through the leagues.

I don’t understand what you mean when talking about the ‘myth surrounding them’ though? I think it’s great what they did, set up their own club after their previous one was robbed on them, make it affordable for supporters to become members, 1 member 1 vote (no matter how much money someone has) – and the set up can only be changed by vote by the members/supporters.

Every club in England should be like that – in fact, every club in the world should have a set up like that!

While I don’t agree with them attending yesterday (nothing to do with me though, is it?), they did ask supporters of other clubs to call off their boycott at mk after they were given the fa cup back! However, even with that, they still should have boycotted the match despite getting a share of the gate– some things are more important than money!

Tbh I knew the above 2 facts, but as for the council holding on to the trophy, it was good enough for wimbledon to accept so was happy enough to say it was given to them, even though it technically wasnt (wouldn’t have been good enough for me if I was in their shoes) – should have said taken away from mk to be more accurate

I would have suspected wimbledons views were asked re: calling off the boycott – but I am only speculating.

Why can’t every club be run by supporters? Its not as if businessmen are doing a great job running football clubs in england. There was a crazy stat given at some supporters conference in Manchester a few weeks ago, about how many clubs are in debt in the football league in England. I cant remember the figure and it was on a video I saw of the event so cant google the figure – but ill try watch it again from home when I next get a chance and post it up here

Supporters certainly wouldn’t do any worse than businessmen. In fact, supporters are the only ones that care about their club and not out to make a quick buck out of it! At least then clubs would be in the hands of people that actually care about the club.

I think you’re 100% wrong on that view re: supporters run club! I think they’re going to get more and more popular especially when a couple of bigger ones are in danger of going bust and a supporters trust save them!

And lets be honest, out of a few thousands supporters at clubs, the expertise would be in there to run a stable football club

Of course there’ll be differences of opinions – that’s the way of the world no matter who runs a club ,be it businessmen or supporters.

I’m a shareholder/part owner of 2 clubs, fc united and drogheda united.

Pleanty of differences of opinions at fc united at the moment on certain things, but everyone is happy enough to go with the majority once a democratic vote is taken on it – even if they don’t agree with it themselves. It’s human nature that not everyone is going to agree.

I think it’s a new ideal creeping into the game, and its going to take time for supporters to ditch a lifetime of what they’ve had to put up maybe? Theres an increasing number of supporters owned clubs creeping up in the lower leagues. You are right, Liverpool supporters should have done that!

Rangers were in the best position when it looked like they might make a stab at it. They should’ve boycotted the new club and set up themselves as a supporters run club.

Maybe theres not enough people with the back bone or balls to actually say ‘f*** it, lets do it’!

I presume you would agree that German football has some pretty big clubs? While not been fully owned by supporters,they have a huge involvement in the running of their clubs and it works well, with german football thriving.

Looking closer to home, the supporters run model at shamrock rovers has worked well for a number of years now (as has the one at drogheda united over the last couple of years – though both should lower the annual fees to a tenner or something imo)

I think you’re wrong in stating that they’d let their heart rule their head – I know in drogheda and fc, they certainly don’t anyway! (that’s not to say ye wont get the odd one – like bohs!!). They’ve seen the actions that nearly killed their clubs (or other clubs) and don’t want to put their clubs in that position ever again by over spending to chase the dream (well no need for the ‘again’  with fc!!)

No reason at all, why supporters run clubs cant be a success in England –and hopefully we see it sooner rather than later! Take the game back to the people, make it affordable to everyone,etc

The value of united would be now too high probably despite been hundreds of millions of euro in debt. However, if they go through a very bad financial spell in servicing the debt or if the supporters boycotted properly (like they should have had the backbone to do rather than wave stupid green and yellow scarves), they wouldn’t have been attractive for many businessmen, so yeah, there is always the possibility…… - but if united supporters past actions are anything to go by (and with the amount of fans they have from other countries that go to matches that would replace those that boycott), there realistically isn’t.

If supporters completely boycott any club (match tickets, merchandise,etc), there’s no reason for a businessman to be interested in buying it, so it can be done.

It’s just a matter of supporters getting properly organized, have the balls and actually do it.

The idea is creeping in among supporters. I know celtic supporters groups invited a couple of the fc united up board up last year for a talk on supporters ownerships – 1 premiership club also (think it may have been Newcastle).

The clubs in england can’t go on as they are, with w******* coming in and buying any club they want, get what they can out of it, price the supporters out and treat them like crap, put the clubs future in danger and then f*** off

I’ll try get on the web at home over the weekend to get that figure of how many English clubs are in debt/financial trouble – businessmen running clubs isn’t working, its destroying clubs and the souls of clubs!

I know about that rule in germany – and a similar rule should be brought into england

Personally, I don’t have must time for must.

We will see! I have had this debate on here a few times.

I think the premiership bubble is going to burst eventually – may not be 5 years from now, not 10 years – but it will eventually.

I put up a link here before of an analysis done on the make up of supporters that go to the premiership which was done a few years ago. The average age of supporters that go to premiership matches was in the 40s

Ticket prices are too dear for quite a lot of people – especially families. Whereas older people were brought up on a culture of going to football matches week in, week out all their lives, they are going to try that bit harder to make the matches (I know of united supporters who remortgage their houses for their season tickets ffs)

Younger supporters coming through aren’t brought up on that culture – they might go every now and then, and watch the rest in the pub. But a lot of them wont be brought up on that culture of going week in, week out at all costs!

Eventually clubs will cop on and reduce prices – but as the younger people today weren’t brought up on a culture of going every week, it will be too late.

Lower attendance = lower tv money = lover advertising,etc

(bigger clubs that rely on a lot of overseas supporters won’t be hit as hard obviously)

Obviously we may have to revisit this thread when we have pace makers to prove that I was right