Cyprus game -Bottom line - 3 fukn points.
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Topic: Cyprus game -Bottom line - 3 fukn points.
Posted By: billybunter
Subject: Cyprus game -Bottom line - 3 fukn points.
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2008 at 5:28pm
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3 games. We brought trappa in for results. 2 wins and a draw from 2 away and one home game in world cup qualifying against reasonable opposition. We have conceded what? 3 goals in last 5/6 games?
Fcuk the pi$$ & vinegar parade. I'll take this.
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Posted By: billybob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2008 at 5:36pm
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Yep 3 points great, all i'm saying is that im not very comfortable with the fine line between 3 points and one point that we flirt with far too often.
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Posted By: The Count
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2008 at 5:49pm
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my tuppence.... Ireland had about 9 really good chances in front of goal and only took 1. Fannying around the box was unbelievable even from Doyle who had a good performance otherwise. On another note Duff looked to be the duff of old but the most disappointing thing was mcgeady again, the chap cannot cross a ball and when he does cross it in he can never beat the first defender. Our set pieces/free kicks/corners have been atrocious I think aswell. Again happy with the 3 points but wasnt a great performance. No subs again (well until 93rd) mintue form Trap, whats all that about as some of the player looked knackered! and to sign off - crole park atmosphere was sh*te again and took me nearly 2 hours to get home (11km), bring on Lansdowne! ------------- 
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Posted By: FREEWHEELER
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2008 at 6:04pm
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My tuppence halfpenny now...........I'm very pleased that we are creating more chances than we've become accustomed to but we did f*ck up too often badly in that regard. We were terribly unambitious for the first 20 mins of the 2nd half but finished strongly as Cyprus came at us looking for the goal. Gibson was nowhere first half but came into it 2nd, McGeady continues to frustrate cos his crossing was dire. Our set pieces are fookin shameful, that really annoyed me tonight. McShane is also not the answer at full back, he was absolutely awful first half and Trap has to address that if Finnan gets injured again.
Now the positives..........
 , in Given and Dunne we have 2 absolute stalwarts and O'Shea continues to look happier beside Richie. Duffer was buzzing again tonight as Count said and it was vintage Duffer for the goal, so that's hugely enouraging. Doyle was outstanding for me, won his headers, chased everything and held the ball up and won frees, our best player for me and Robbie worked his socks off too, so our determination and attitude was spot on for me. I don't think Trap needs to make changes just for the sake of it (and really we only have Andy Reid with quality to make a difference) and we saw in Craven Cottage that he won't get obsessed by having to make a sub. Overall, we've made a very decent start, only 2 points lost as against Bulgaria's 6. We'd have snapped anyone's hand off if offered that before the start of the campaign.  ------------- We'll never die, we'll never die, we'll keep the Green Flag flying high......Shamrock Rovers will never die, we'll keep the Green Flag Flying high. 19 Leagues and 25 Cups..... |
Posted By: The Count
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2008 at 6:28pm
 WORLD CUP 2010 GROUP 8
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Posted By: billybob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2008 at 6:31pm
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Fookin great ------------- Couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel |
Posted By: Bondvillain
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2008 at 8:40pm
Set pieces are awful, midfield so full of holes it conceivably be used to strain spuds, 1 substitution (after 92 minutes) when important players were visibly faltering at the 70 minute mark, and looked knackered by the 75 minute mark (bearing in mind our "oooooh Nooooo!  " moments normally come in the final 10 minutes of matches due to lapses in concentration), Duff looking a little unsure of how to play the the final ball, Kilbane's first half amounting to his poorest performance for a long time, McGeady's Club/Country schitzophrenia becoming more frustrating by the minute, a general lack of a killer instinct in the box from all of the attacking players...And at the end of the day, all that matters right now is we have won three more points in what could very well yet shape up to be the tightarse group to beat all tightarse groups.  ------------- Forza Verde! |
Posted By: Tuff Paddy
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2008 at 11:35pm
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3 points, job done. I'll take 1-0 now against Georgia by which stage Italy will have beaten Bulgaria and they'll be out of it. ------------- Waka waka hey hey, we're in Armenia! |
Posted By: Donal Cullen
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 12:05am
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Norn Iron won 4-0 today. They still get three points. Which still won't do them much good. The Republic of Ireland won 1-0 today. They still get the same three points. The road to South Africa is beginning to get a little easier. ------------- There are friendlier places to drink. |
Posted By: erimus
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 3:18am
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Good Result
Disgraceful Performance ------------- This is our f**king country we're talking about - Keano ROLL ON 2016 |
Posted By: tirchonaill
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 3:27am
| Good result alright, but our right wing was a nightmare, McShane, every time the ball goes near him, it was panic attack time |
Posted By: RogerMilla
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 3:49am
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bunter, nail , head , on , hit ------------- The first time the Devil made me do it. The second time I did it on my own. |
Posted By: nedge
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 4:08am
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Hmmmmm... a surprisingly amount of negativity on the Board this morning considering we have 3 points and were the deserved winning team. Yes, we could have been better in some areas, most notably the fullbacks and in central midfield, but c'mon this is a huge improvement in comparison to our last competitive home game (which, as you know, was the 1-1 draw with Cyprus!). The Trap system is working, despite Gibson flunking his first test in an Irish shirt, and we've now recorded 3 wins and 2 draws against decent opposition. Defense looks solid enough with the triangle of Given, Dunne and O'Shea. Sure there were some worrying moments and last ditch tackles, but this was the extent of the Cypriot chances. They should have scored 1 goal, but we should have scored at least 3. Don't forget Italy were damn lucky to beat them in Nicosia and that these guys are a decent side. They actually have more Champions League players than we have. One thing is clear though, when key players are injured it's obvious there's not a whole lot Trap can do. Steven Reid and Steve Finnan were injured and there's no other players in the Irish setup that even come close to matching these guys in their respective positions. I only hope Dunne stays fit, possibly our most important player given the limited options we have there right now. McShane first choice replacement??? Oh jesus....that does NOT bode well. I also think McGeady's getting a terribly unfair amount of stick. I mean, his job is to take risks and to try and beat players. When he loses the ball it's usually by attacking an opening and not just being simply repossessed for want of doing nothing with the ball. Would people prefer if he continually passed the ball back to the defense? On more than once occasion, McGeady made it to the by-line, played a cross (albeit, usually quite average) only for one of the 6 Cypriot players in the box to clear. McGeady is young and still is a work in progress but I'd much rather him in the team, than out. I mean, who's the alternative? Also, his poor crossing people are talking about set up a great goal against Georgia last month don't forget. All in all, three points in the bag, sitting pretty in second place, and with a home game against Georgia on the horizon. I've said it before lads, but I think we'll be good for second place by the time we've played Bulgaria in Dublin on 28th March. ------------- “Hopefully, when we get to Croke Park, we’ll bamboozle the opposition" |
Posted By: RogerMilla
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 4:17am
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just wish mcgeady had scored that one ! it would have silenced the doubters!
------------- The first time the Devil made me do it. The second time I did it on my own. |
Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 4:22am
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We were terriable in the second half. Fair enough a result is a result, but they out passed us. People were building Cyprus up before this just because of their recent results against us, but they are a very ordinary team and again last night we made them look much better than they are. ------------- "Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?" |
Posted By: erimus
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 4:25am
yes and i would of picked up my bet  ------------- This is our f**king country we're talking about - Keano ROLL ON 2016 |
RogerMilla wrote:Posted By: FREEWHEELER
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 4:37am
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Nedge, you make a good overall argument and as a Celtic fan I usually back McGeady, but we can't wait forever for him to play for us like he does for Celtic, because he does have consistent end product with Celtic. He did alot of good things last night but ruined it with dire crossing. Bottom line though is 7 points out of 9, huge improvement needed but as I said in my post last night, to be 4 points ahead of Bulgaria already is a tremendous early position. ------------- We'll never die, we'll never die, we'll keep the Green Flag flying high......Shamrock Rovers will never die, we'll keep the Green Flag Flying high. 19 Leagues and 25 Cups..... |
Posted By: billybob
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 4:54am
A pretty finish in 2nd place rewards us a "potential" playoff against possibly Portugal,France,Turkey,Russia or Croatia judging on how the groups are shaping up.
We serioulsy need to up the antie if we're gonna have any chance of making SA ------------- Couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel |
Posted By: nedge
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 5:03am
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FW, I agree McGeady seems to be more effective in the SPL (and he has shown glimpses in the Champs L as well). I'm only concerned people will start getting on his back, which will do his game no favours whatsoever. Even on current outings he's outperformed Hunt by some way. I think people are placing the bar quite high and becoming impatient, but only because they know he can be so good. Anyway, he's hardly a regular starter in the Ireland team just yet so I feel he does deserve some more time. I do believe that by the middle / end of this campaign he'll be twice the player he was last year for Ireland, sure he's already made a lot of progress in this regard. On another note, anyone find any highlights of the match online yet? Youtube or the like? I wanna see Duffer's turn again!!! So sweet!!!  ------------- “Hopefully, when we get to Croke Park, we’ll bamboozle the opposition" |
Posted By: nedge
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 5:08am
Fair enough BB, but we can cross that bridge once we get there. I doubt too any of those teams will be finishing in second come the end of the campaign and it'll more likely to be the likes of Hungary, Israel, Slovakia, Russia, Turkey etc. It's a pity there's no automatic qualification for best placed runner up. ------------- “Hopefully, when we get to Croke Park, we’ll bamboozle the opposition" |
Posted By: Bondvillain
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 5:16am
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Just my opinion, but if the group continues in it's current fashion (draws all over the gaff between Montenegro, Georgia, Cyprus & Georgia) then the 6 points in play for the two Ireland-Italy games will decide who goes top.... We could conceivably find ourselves qualified on the back of two good performances from 10 games. ------------- Forza Verde! |
Posted By: gcooky
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 5:17am
Why are we looking at finishing second in the group? I don't think we should be assuming we'll have to go to play-off, Italy are no great shakes at the moment, they've been poor in their last 2 games despite points won, and I think if we can sew up our midfield holes and maybe actually use the bench we might have a chance of topping the group. Optimism chaps!
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Posted By: greenarmy
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 5:26am
| One of the teams that finishes 2nd dont get into the playoffs |
Posted By: The GerK
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 5:34am
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Correct Green Army
People are forgetting that goal difference could be fookin huge here We did create a good few chances though but the most vital position in the oitch is the middle of the park and we have NOTHING there And I don't think Andy Reid is the answer either But certainly, this is a good start which we can build on |
Posted By: t_rAndy
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 5:48am
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Happy with the 3 points. We had some chances to finish the game but also we were lucky to have won it. THE BAD:
Central midfield was overrun as we all thought might happen. We couldn't keep the ball at all in the central of midfield and there were spells when we were chasing the ball. This is against a Cyprus team missing the best central midfield player.
McShane is terrible end of. Foley needs to be played against Poland.
McGeady done some nice things but his end product is still really bad.
Kilbane looks shakey now too. Don't mean to be disrespectful but we need to find a new left back.
No subs again from Trap. It's like he's afraid to change a winning side but that could cost us. Andy Reid would have been able to use the ball better in the centre which was our biggest weakness yesterday
The Good
Doyle is a top striker and has improved so much the last year or so. Defo Prem quality. Can't see him in the Championship for much longer.
Given and Dunne are two of the best you can get. O'Shea also looking the part.
Duffer producing some magic.
The Future
We are top. I would like to see us try a few different things for Poland match. Foley at RB, maybe Delenay at LB. Andy Reid should play Centre. I know he likes his system and some think we will be run through the midfield if we played the two Reids but I think it can work. It surely can't be as bad as last night and we would also be able to hold the ball really well. If you hold onto the ball you won't need to defend as much
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Posted By: FREEWHEELER
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 5:56am
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If Reid doesn't get a chance against Poland, then he may as well throw his hat at it........Ger, he has to be the answer, are you seriously telling me that Gibson and Whelan was last night? Steven Reid seriously missed but he's gonna be missing more than he plays so Andy Reid HAS to be given his instructions and his head and he'll perform. FFS 12 short months ago he was far and away our best player in Prague, in CENTRE POXY MID!!! I am delighted with Trap but I'm not happy at his centre mid choice last night, his sub decisions in Mainz and Montenegro and his snubbing of one of our few decent players that we have. ------------- We'll never die, we'll never die, we'll keep the Green Flag flying high......Shamrock Rovers will never die, we'll keep the Green Flag Flying high. 19 Leagues and 25 Cups..... |
Posted By: t_rAndy
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 5:57am
Totally agree as do most of Ireland
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Posted By: Bob Hoskins
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 6:46am
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Ireland 7points Bulgaria 3points Thats all that matters Trap's only three competitive games in lads, sure there are issues to be ironed out..but for once I'm actually very optimistic. I doubt we'll top Italy but this team will run them close. Secondly take a hard look at every other qualifying group, teams no better or worse than Georgia, Cyprus and Montenegro are beating top teams and are leading or second in their groups. This is great.. ------------- Romario 2016: And the ticket mafia gets caught! Well, four years ago I had already told the government. |
Posted By: fatherjoxer
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 6:46am
The players ran their socks off. Make no mistake Cyprus are a good team play the ball round well & and are strong physically.
This is a tough group not a bad team in it.
look at te other eight groups i dont think there is another team in second place with 7 pts from three games.
Well done boys.
In the Trap we trust.
for the first time in a long time we have a wonderful team spirit & thats down to the trap 69 years old never sits down kicks every ball, wonderful.
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Posted By: t_rAndy
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 7:04am
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We are in a good position it has to be said.
Anybody got a link to the highlights?
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Posted By: billybob
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 7:09am
Why i said "potential"playoff.
We wont top the group if we continue like we are and we all know our record when it comes to playoffs and this time around our squad is largelly inferior.
Andy Reid would have made a huge difference last night.....himself and carsley would have run amok in the middle last night. ------------- Couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel |
Posted By: Tash Kent
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 7:36am
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Have to be positive about what happened last night because we got 3 pts and Bulgaria have that in total, second half was poor and S Reid was badly missed but we won even without him playing, we should have taken more of our chances so it could have been a bigger win, if we can win our next two home games think the gap with Bulgaria will just be too big for them and we can start to think about the top spot then. Very happy with Trap, think we should just let him do his job he knows how to get results, 3pts at home and 4 tricky away pts on the board cant argue with that. ------------- Philip Greene RTE Radio Legend 10 Seconds Gone Here In Limerick And No Score. |