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Topic: Guardian Article : 17.11.1993
Posted By: BohsinMunich
Subject: Guardian Article : 17.11.1993
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 2:15pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/15/forgotten-story-17-november-1993" rel="nofollow - www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/15/forgotten-story-17-november-1993

Excellent read. Had gone to Seville for our 0-0 game.

regards
BinM



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Posted By: MintBerryCrunch
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 2:39pm
Night of my tenth birthday never forget it Clap


Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 2:51pm
Billy Bingham. My hero.

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Posted By: M.50
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by BohsinMunich BohsinMunich wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/15/forgotten-story-17-november-1993" rel="nofollow - www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/15/forgotten-story-17-november-1993

Excellent read. Had gone to Seville for our 0-0 game.

regards
BinM


Understatement.

Article of the year Thumbs Up

Well done Rob Smyth Clap and great thread BinM Clap


Posted By: M.50
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 3:04pm
in fact, it's the best football piece I've ever read Clap


Posted By: Dino Baggio
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 3:07pm
Very good read...never realised just how much close france were to qualifying


Posted By: RogerMilla
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 3:23pm
what an article , brilliant

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Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 3:40pm


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Posted By: FREEWHEELER
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 3:43pm
Wow had totally forgotten just how close all those groups were. Poor Wales. Tremendous article.

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Posted By: Vivakenbarlow
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 3:52pm
Great article that

Can remember the mclaughlin goal and san marinos opener

Couldnt have gone much better for us- england and france getting dumped out while we rescued a point to sicken the pub teams desperate attempts to deny usClap


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Posted By: John W
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 4:00pm
I must say I enjoyed that has the makings of a good ESPN 30 for 30 documentary Clap 


Posted By: HgRx
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 4:18pm
Really enjoyable read. I love any story involving Big Cas



Posted By: Green Devil
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 4:33pm
Great read Clap

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Posted By: Del-Piero
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 4:41pm
Absolute quality, article of the year without a shadow of doubt Clap

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Posted By: derrysfinest
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 6:45pm
cracking read remember it well (sort of thru a beer haze)


Posted By: Monners
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 6:59pm
Fantastic article - i remember the silence in the pub when Quinn scored - eventually followed by nothing but utter relief when the the Spain game finished. 


Posted By: GarageFlower
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 9:02pm
Quality read

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Posted By: Denis Irwin
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 9:43pm
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In the feverish aftermath, Charlton decided to score a point. "I spotted Billy [Bingham] talking among his players and moved in his direction to congratulate him on his retirement and compliment him on a good game," he said in his autobiography. "At least that was my intention. Instead, in a moment I still find difficult to understand, I pointed a finger at him and blurted 'Up yours too, Billy.'"

 
LOL 
 
 
Poor Wales though jaysus christ, France though fcukin hell it's a wonder Ginola made it out of France alive.
 
 
There'll never be a night like that in European Qualification again. 8 spaces available to be decided by  nine fixtures Shocked.
 
Like Ken though only thing I remember about that night is our game,San Marino's goal against England and the result coming in from Seville never realised we needed Spain to win. (In fact I'd always thought for some reason that, that game had finished as a draw)


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Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 10:37pm
Class article Thumbs Up

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Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 10:48pm
i was thinking of setting up a thread for any of the YBIG members who were at that game in Belfast.it must ve been some experience an then getting out alive Confused.id love to hear the stories

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Posted By: FREEWHEELER
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2012 at 12:49pm
I'll re-post up the wonderful monologue that Declan O'Brien penned about the night in Belfast.  It's long but it's absolutely superb.

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Posted By: damo21
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2012 at 1:40pm
What a read , pure class , it captivating to say the least.

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Posted By: unbelievable_jeff
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2012 at 10:22pm
Great article.

Went up to Windsor few years ago when the Drogs were playing in the Setanta Cup final. Found it quite intimidating and that was during 'peaceful times'. Cant imagine what it must have been like for away fans back in '93. 


Posted By: FREEWHEELER
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 10:30am
Here's Declan O'Brien's Monologue about that night in Belfast............ LOL
 

ALAN WHO? (Written by Declan O’Brien)

 

It was at the end of 93, on a cold and wintry night

The 17th of November if you want to be precise

Windsor Park was the venue, in loyalist East Belfast

The Republic and the Northern 6 made up the intriguing cast

It was a night when every man, woman, child and mongrel dog

From inner city ghettos to the crowds down in the bog

Stopped doing whatever it is they do for their nerves had turned to jelly

To sit and watch events unfold upon the nearest telly

Very few went up you see cos that’s what they advised

The dangers in travelling up there could never be disguised

And when you think that Irish fans had travelled round the globe

Yet the one place they weren’t welcome was only up the road

But before I begin to reminisce upon that fateful night

Let’s not forget that at that stage we shoulda been out of sight

So let me take you back another five weeks yet again

When they called it a formality, Ireland versus Spain

 

That afternoon in October, the country just stood still

And we knew that we would easily win but we’d settle for one nil

And we arrived at the ground excited, we were a lively happy crowd

The band struck up the anthem and we sang it out so loud

And I looked at the banners round the ground from our witty football sages

Like one said “Adios Amigos, viva to Las Vegas

And we settled down to watch this game as easy as A-B-C

Instead we were struck by a sickness called the Spanish 1-2-3

You see it gets you in the stomach in the space of half an hour

And you start to feel quite nauseous and your legs start losing power

And your vision of America begins to fade away

And all you can see in front of you is a week in Brittas Bay

So now we had a five week wait to the game in Windsor Park

In bed at night I tossed and turned and I wondered in the dark

I’d visions of these Orangemen on the pitch before the match

Parading on the touchline to the tune of “Give it a Sash”

And I dreamt I was negotiating with the IFA

And I listed all the things that I would gladly give away

Now the IFA, I don’t mean the farmers’ crowd

Ah Jaysus don’t get me wrong

You couldn’t bargain with that lot now, you could never stand the pong

No, the IFA are the football powers that be in the Northern Association

And it’s with them I dreamt I was doing all this intense negotiating.

Now I’d let Ian Paisley become the Pope and I’d live with all the dangers

I’d wear the sash, I’d beat the drum, I’d even shout for Rangers

I’d kiss a portrait of the Queen and I’d even start a rumour

That pasty faced James Molyneaux has a sense of humour

I’d give up articles 2 and 3, I’d change me name to Billy

I’d buy a tin of orange paint and I’d slap it on me willy

All these things I’d gladly do, I’d gladly give and more

If only they would let us have a slightly better score

But then I’d wake up in a sweat and fine it was all a dream

Cos you’d never get a favour from that Northern F********ootball team

 

So all eyes turned to Belfast and our date with destiny

This was a night for men to be men so where did that leave me?

You see, if we lost, that was it, good night and thanks for calling

But if we won, well that of course would only be go h-álainn

OK, a draw might do us but we wouldn’t know until

The score came through from Denmark-Spain that was going on in Seville

So you could cut the tension with a knife as the teams walked on the pitch

If you could bottle and sell the hatred there, you’d soon be stinking rich

The first half came and went so fast, it all seemed so unreal

No goals yet in Belfast, no goals in Seville

Then fifteen minutes into the second half, it flashed across the screen

Spain have scored”, it took a second, now what the fu*k’s that mean?

And then it slowly dawned on us it could mean the USA

And it was like a mass conversion as we all began to pray

There was movement on the touchline, word passed around the pub

Eh, Jack is taking Houghton off, he’s bringing on a sub

Who’s he bringing on instead?  I haven’t got a clue

Eh I think its Alan McLoughlin. Alan? Alan Who?

 

(Sing (to the tune “Alice”))

 

Well now Alan’s been sub for such long whiles

He’s been sitting so long he’s bound to have piles

Poor Old Alan

Well now being on the bench well it can’t be much fun

So I think that it’s time that we gave him a run

And Big Jack wandered over to Alan’s side and he said

Well I don’t know what I’m doing but I’ll take all the blame

I’m gonna take Ray Houghton off, I’m giving you a game

You have 20 minutes left to become a hero Alan

(Alan, who the f*ck is Alan?)

20 minutes left for this country to advance

So out you go me bucko, take your bloody chance

You have 20 minutes left to become a hero Alan

(Alan, who the f*ck is Alan?)     (End of singing)

 

Please forgive that outburst, me mind just went astray

It always shaggin happens when I think about that day

So on came Alan McLoughlin to help get the goal we were needing

Within three minutes of him coming on, the shaggin North were leading

A brilliant goal by Jimmy Quinn, it went in like a comet

The Northern fans went crazy, all we could do was vomit

“One team in Iron, there’s only one team in Iron!”

One team in Iron, the North supporters crowed

Just like we had taunted them before in Lansdowne Road

And when we taunted them before, did we think that they’d forget?

Sure King Billy won in 1691 and they haven’t forgotten yet

And guess what came back to haunt me as the minutes ticked away

The month of June, pissing rain, I was back in Brittas Bay

So we braced ourselves for misery, our World Cup on the rocks

When the ref gave us a free kick outside the Northern box

Irwin’s floated free was cleared but not so very far

And it landed in the vicinity of our latest superstar

My memory is of slow motion as he took it on his chest

He let it drop, drew back his leg and……… I think you know the rest

The Northern fans fell silent, so eerie you’d take fright

But we were a hundred miles away and we couldn’t give a sh*te

 

One all was how it ended and the TV turned to Spain

Here, let’s watch the Spanish celebrating wha?

Aw Jaysus they’re still playing

They’ve played 3 mintues injury time, ah someone’s bleedin lying

What’s the story referee, is someone after dying?

You have to blow the whistle ref, Spain have to stay ahead

And I began to pray again and this is what I said

“Oh God I promise I’ll be very good, I’ll behave with much more prudence

I’ll take all me holidays in Benidorm, I’ll be nice to Spanish students

I’ll never ever sin again, I’ll never be ungracious

I’ll buy every shaggin record made by Julio Iglesias

Just make him blow the whistle God, make him blow it please

Put me out of me misery, put me at me ease”

And after what seemed a lifetime, he gave the final blow

And I joined with a choir called Ireland to the strains of “Here we Go”

 

At Dublin Airport later on that night, with every car horn blarin

It made rush hour in Manhattan seem like a slow day in Dáil Éireann

And now as we travel onwards, no matter what we do

We’ll never ever say again

Alan, Alan Who?

 

The End.



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Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 1:13am
The Guardian article has resurfaced on social media recently what a superb article.

As is Declan O' Brien's piece.


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Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 8:22am
Still ranks as possibly my favourite article about football. So much of what happened that night kind of went unnoticed because we were just focused on Ireland and there wasn't the same access to info about other games on social media as there is now. Although I do remember watching bits of the England v San Marino game as well. The way qualifying is set up now means you'll never get something like that happening again.


Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 8:37am
Sportsnight that night with Tony Gubba was the greatest one hour of tv ever produced in my view.

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Posted By: Mr. Snrub
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 11:55am
Brilliant article!

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Posted By: Bukowski
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 2:49pm
A good read, and what's also interesting is that I don't think any of the people posting comments back in 2012 are still on this forum. Least I don't recognise any of the names. The river of life.


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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 3:17pm
The French collapse was the most dramatic from any of the games.  Needing only a point from their last 2 games at home to Israel and Bulgaria. They conceded 3 times in the last 8 mins of those games.  

Unbelievable Jeff


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Posted By: Paulie
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 4:24pm
Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

The French collapse was the most dramatic from any of the games.  Needing only a point from their last 2 games at home to Israel and Bulgaria. They conceded 3 times in the last 8 mins of those games.  

Unbelievable Jeff


No doubt it was a huge f**k up by the French but to be fair that was a very good Bulgarian team which made to the semi's in the WC itself.



Posted By: Terzino
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2023 at 8:43pm
Although the internet hadn't been invented it was still possible to be aware of what happened across Europe that night. Thanks to RTÉ, BBC and Eurosport you still saw all of the main action.

When our game in Belfast ended RTÉ immediately cut to Seville and the last few minutes of the Spain game. I remember the ball going into the crowd and not being returned for ages. This was a time before the multi-ball system so crowds could get away with that kind of thing back then. 

Also unlike today, added time from the ref was a complete mystery so you never knew when he was supposed to blow his whistle. This only added to the tension. With the Spanish fans demanding it, he eventually did and we qualified. RTÉ played Neil Diamond's "We're Coming to America" for the closing credits.

And us going to America instead of Denmark, thanks to goals scored, has got to be the tightest qualification ever.

The Kostadinov goal against France must be the most famous goal Bulgaria have ever scored, whilst the San Marino strike was one of the funniest - until their goal against Staunton's Ireland - at least.

Bulgaria later met Sweden again in the World Cup 3rd/4th play-off, so it just goes to show how moments of magic can change everything. Romania also had a brilliant World Cup with Hagi on fire in America. 

For us, without McLoughlin's equaliser there wouldn't have been Ray Houghton's winner against Italy. We also played against Norway and Holland (both from England's group), so I guess we would have played England if they had made it.

In an alternative time-line it might have been Papin smashing in volleys, with Laudrup and Giggs running riot. Or even Ireland v England for a chance to play Brazil in the Quarter-Final.


Posted By: Paulie
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2023 at 8:51pm
Was it Romania vs Argentina that was an absolute classic in '94? I seem to remember Dimitrescu getting 1 or 2 goals.


Posted By: Terzino
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2023 at 9:49pm
That's right. They had another great game against Sweden in the next round, probably best remembered for the training ground free-kick that Brolin scored.

The ultimate "crazy" goalkeeper Ravelli sent them home after penalties.


Posted By: 1874eire
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 12:23pm
30th anniversary today. 


Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 12:26pm
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/world-cup-1994-qualifying-ireland-b1723754.html?fbclid=PAAabJvTK-kHnYNqXYw6PLoK_0s7nFlOSIj3QwHRUqdWrOHz7HlGpF535ss5s" rel="nofollow - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/world-cup-1994-qualifying-ireland-b1723754.html?fbclid=PAAabJvTK-kHnYNqXYw6PLoK_0s7nFlOSIj3QwHRUqdWrOHz7HlGpF535ss5s

Miguel Delaney wrote this article in 2020 about that night. Another very good read 


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Posted By: TooOldForThis
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 12:56pm
The NI supporters worked themselves up into a frenzied hate that night. Will never forget Alan McLoughlin's goal...can still see it fresh as ever. 


Posted By: ConorMac77
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

The NI supporters worked themselves up into a frenzied hate that night. Will never forget Alan McLoughlin's goal...can still see it fresh as ever. 
Loved the Apres Match of the Day take on the goal...'awk, f**ks sake!' in a proper Angry Nordie accent. LOL


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Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/world-cup-1994-qualifying-ireland-b1723754.html?fbclid=PAAabJvTK-kHnYNqXYw6PLoK_0s7nFlOSIj3QwHRUqdWrOHz7HlGpF535ss5s" rel="nofollow - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/world-cup-1994-qualifying-ireland-b1723754.html?fbclid=PAAabJvTK-kHnYNqXYw6PLoK_0s7nFlOSIj3QwHRUqdWrOHz7HlGpF535ss5s

Miguel Delaney wrote this article in 2020 about that night. Another very good read 
 

Class piece. 


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