"Football Apartheid in Ireland".
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Topic: "Football Apartheid in Ireland".
Posted By: MayoMark
Subject: "Football Apartheid in Ireland".
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 9:23am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13518826.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13518826.stm
Some of the sh*te talk is getting ridiculous now
NI fans group call for change in Republic player ruling
 Shane Ferguson celebrates scoring for Northern Ireland in the Milk Cup
A Northern Ireland fans group is appealing to Fifa to end what it calls the "football apartheid" in Ireland.
Fifa and the Court of Arbitration have ruled that NI-born players can opt for the Republic of Ireland.
The Amalgamation of NI Supporters' Clubs wants Fifa to have a re-think after Daniel Devine became the latest player to switch to the Republic.
It said the ruling gave the Republic an "unfair advantage" and accused the FAI of "poaching" players from N Ireland.
Fifa rules include a clause allowing players to change nationality once before they play a senior competitive match if they were born "on the territory of the relevant association".
The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 provided for Northern Ireland-born people to claim either British or Irish nationality.
Preston North End defender Devine has joined Darron Gibson, Shane Duffy, Marc Wilson, Daniel Kearns and Paul George in making the move to the Republic.
It is feared Newcastle United defender Shane Ferguson will be the next Northern Ireland youth player to switch to the Republic.
Amalgamation of NI Supporters' Clubs chairman Gary McAllister criticised the FAI in addressing the player drain to the Republic in an open letter in the Irish News.
"We believe this situation to be unique in world football, whereby one national association may select two jurisdictions worth of players," he said.
"Clearly this puts the Northern Ireland team at a disadvantage.
"For more than 50 years, the agreed and established practice of the two national football associations was always to select only those players with a territorial connection to either jurisdiction.
"It seems therefore that the FAI is using the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement as an excuse for breaking this longstanding policy.
"This FAI policy is driving a sectarian wedge between the two communities in Northern Ireland in regard to football.
"We are hugely proud to support a team that includes members of both traditions in Northern Ireland, and want to continue to do so.
"We want an end to Football Apartheid in Ireland."
The open letter comes ahead of Tuesday night's Carling Nations Cup game between Northern Ireland and the Republic in Dublin.
Listen to that for absolute bollocks. The highlighted comments are the most embarrassing/laughable/maddening.
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Posted By: Mikethemiz
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 9:27am
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It's not our fault they want to declare for us. As far as i know they're pursuing us not us pursuing them
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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 9:29am
I wonder if the FAI can keep on picking players that the Northern Ireland team will effectively become a team made up of member of only one community.
In that all the players from the nationalist community will play for us and that Northern ireland will be only made up of players from the Unionist community.
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Posted By: scottyccfc
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 9:50am
ex Linfield player! Interesting
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Hometown football, cant beat the feeling...
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Posted By: Max Power
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 9:54am
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They can bitch and moan all they like, they wont over rule the CAS hearing and thats all that matters.
Tonights prediction:
Ireland 3 - 0 Pub Team
(Gibson 2, Wilson) 
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Co-Founder of The Paul McShane Fan Club, Portmarnock Branch
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Posted By: seaniemac
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 10:08am
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A few things on this
1. It sadly says something about Northern Ireland society when they are still highlighting stuff like 'members of both traditions'. I couldn't give a fook what religion a player is, don't even know what religion most of our players are and that's the way it should be. They are footballers, not prophets ffs.
2. I'm sure there is an undercurrent of current/ex Irish players or people with links to the FAI asking younger Northern Irish lads at English/Scottish clubs if they have any interest in playing for us.
3. The Northern Ireland fans protests at the unique arrangement following the GFA is a serious issue to them and no more embarrassing/laughable/maddening than our attempts to get a replay against France, the FAI asking to be the 33rd country in the World Cup, online petitions or facebook pages to get Paul McShane to retire, etc.
If the shoe was on the other foot, I'd be just as angry as they are about what is happening, simply because they can't do anything about it realistically.
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Posted By: JH91
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 10:11am
 Max Power wrote:
They can bitch and moan all they like, they wont over rule the CAS hearing and thats all that matters.
Tonights prediction:
Ireland 3 - 0 Pub Team
( Gibson 2, Wilson) |
Head in the game Max
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Posted By: Bob Hoskins
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 10:25am
Balf.airy wrote:
I wonder if the FAI can keep on picking players that the Northern Ireland team will effectively become a team made up of member of only one community.
In that all the players from the nationalist community will play for us and that Northern ireland will be only made up of players from the Unionist community.
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That's exactly the way it's heading which is a shame, sport usually unites but this is devisive.
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Posted By: rossieman
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 10:40am
"We believe this situation to be unique in world football, whereby one national association may select two jurisdictions worth of players," he said.
"Clearly this puts the Northern Ireland team at a disadvantage.
can't Northern Ireland pick players from the South if they want?Not our problem no one is declaring for them.
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Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 10:47am
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These are the same people who voted in favour of the GFA - I guess they didnt read the small print.
This really comes down to the players choice. I will let the NI based ROI fans have their say.
But I work with about 10 lads from the North all ROI supporters and they pretty much hate the NI fans.
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me,
He wouldn't set me free,
So he kept me soul for ransom.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to
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Posted By: Max Power
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 10:50am
JH91 wrote:
Max Power wrote:
They can bitch and moan all they like, they wont over rule the CAS hearing and thats all that matters.
Tonights prediction:
Ireland 3 - 0 Pub Team
( Gibson 2, Wilson) |
Head in the game Max |
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Co-Founder of The Paul McShane Fan Club, Portmarnock Branch
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Posted By: RogerMilla
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 10:50am
apartheid  i think the lads need to hit the history books
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The first time the Devil made me do it. The second time I did it on my own.
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Posted By: FREEWHEELER
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 10:54am
Total and utter bolloxology. They might need to ask some of the rabble who are going to Windsor Park to actually support their players and not boo or abuse (in the case of Anton Rogan in the 80s) or threaten to kill (the man who "brings it on himself") players who do their best for them. Who can blame a Catholic/nationalist to opt for the South when you see/hear what happens to them, tis a no-brainer. Apartheid, it'd be funny if it wasn't so serious.
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Posted By: RogerMilla
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:11am
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ATTN NI SUPPORTERS
we will take players from all communities and fans too , come and support a real team 
travelling community , polish , nigerian , even cork people
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The first time the Devil made me do it. The second time I did it on my own.
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Posted By: seaniemac
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:17am
RogerMilla wrote:
ATTN NI SUPPORTERS
we will take players from all communities and fans too , come and support a real team
travelling community , polish , nigerian , even cork people |
There's offering the hand of friendship RM and there's taking the piss. You're taking the piss there now 
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Posted By: Green Devil
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:48am
Balf.airy wrote:
I wonder if the FAI can keep on picking players that the Northern Ireland team will effectively become a team made up of member of only one community.
In that all the players from the nationalist community will play for us and that Northern ireland will be only made up of players from the Unionist community.
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Balf.airy do you think a boy from the Shankill Road in Belfast would really want to play for us??!!
I would have no problem if a Northern born Protestant declared for us but the chances of that are very slim , let them complain and give out but they dont care when their calling up ex England underage caps like Lee Camp and Oliver Norwood who were born and bread in England...Atleast we're calling up more and more Irish born players so be it from Ulster but lads like Gibson , Duffy and Wilson can obtain an Irish passport of their own free will , where as Norwood and Camp had to go through a parent/grandparent so do i see anything wrong with what the F.A.I. are doing no!!!
If Fifa suddenly said Devine , Wilson , Duffy , Kearns and Gibson cannot play for us do you really think they would all go back and play for the North??? I dont because they opted to play for us for a reason , they were not held at gun point to play us!!
Your name is coming up as Balf.airy wtf is that all about
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Posted By: farfar
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:51am
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some nordie gobsh*te on ssn there giving out about how republic can choose players from the north and the north cant choose our players.Must not be able to get his head around that the republic isnt part of britain
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Posted By: Devrozex
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:59am
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It's the same old crap that, to be fair, is becoming more and more prevalent in modern society in general these days: blame somebody else for your own problems. Let's not take a long hard look at ourselves - which is what N.I need to do here - and properly address the issues of sectarianism that plague their game from grass routes level upwards - but just take the lazy route and act like the innocent little helpless lamb that is been torn asunder by their large wolf of a neighbour.
Utter, pathetic garbage from N.I, and it's getting very tiresome at this stage to say the least.  |
Posted By: Clonbhoy
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 1:04pm
f**king FAI creating a sectarian wedge, bastards. There never, ever was one there before. Stop abusing players and you might get a few of those who aren't good enough to play for us!
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Posted By: Emerald
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 1:14pm
Would help if this football "country" had it's own anthem, the same as other football "countries" such as Scotland and Wales have, instead of having the same one as another football "country". And then they wonder why nationalist fans and players feel alienated...
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Posted By: rossieman
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 2:09pm
gooner92 wrote:
some nordie gobsh*te on ssn there giving out about how republic can choose players from the north and the north cant choose our players.Must not be able to get his head around that the republic isnt part of britain |
I was under the impression if you are born on the island of Ireland you can play for North or south,is this not the case?
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Posted By: Green Devil
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 5:20pm
Emerald wrote:
Would help if this football "country" had it's own anthem, the same as other football "countries" such as Scotland and Wales have, instead of having the same one as another football "country". And then they wonder why nationalist fans and players feel alienated... |
Fully agreed 
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"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"
Eamonn Dunphy on Glenn Whelan
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Posted By: iandowie
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 5:52pm
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This topic is very contraversial with many fans. The way I see it is that Northern Ireland are at a disadvantage in this current situation. However, a player should have a choice to play for which ever team he likes. I would suggest the best and only way to solve this problem is to bring the two island football associations together and pick one international football team. You only have to look at how well the rugby team has grown together. The footballers could line out to 'shoulder to shoulder' and raise both british & irish flags (or even a compromised flag like the rugby team's). In my opinion this would end the booing of anthems, players and coaching staff. Merging the two associations would also bring a bigger audience to the domestic league and making it more competitive, not to mention the extra revenue it would generate for the local game.
Football should bring communities together, provide a common interest among strangers. People need to stand up to the divide in our great game.
Go on the Irish! All the Irish
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Ian Dowie
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Posted By: farfar
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 12:44pm
rossieman wrote:
gooner92 wrote:
some nordie gobsh*te on ssn there giving out about how republic can choose players from the north and the north cant choose our players.Must not be able to get his head around that the republic isnt part of britain |
I was under the impression if you are born on the island of Ireland you can play for North or south,is this not the case?
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no
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Posted By: FREEWHEELER
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 1:03pm
iandowie wrote:
This topic is very contraversial with many fans. The way I see it is that Northern Ireland are at a disadvantage in this current situation. However, a player should have a choice to play for which ever team he likes. I would suggest the best and only way to solve this problem is to bring the two island football associations together and pick one international football team. You only have to look at how well the rugby team has grown together. The footballers could line out to 'shoulder to shoulder' and raise both british & irish flags (or even a compromised flag like the rugby team's). In my opinion this would end the booing of anthems, players and coaching staff. Merging the two associations would also bring a bigger audience to the domestic league and making it more competitive, not to mention the extra revenue it would generate for the local game.
Football should bring communities together, provide a common interest among strangers. People need to stand up to the divide in our great game.
Go on the Irish! All the Irish |
Noble sentiments Dowie and I think an all-Ireland team would be the answer, but you'd have to start with an All-Ireland League first and that's unlikely to happen, so an all-Ireland team is more and more unlikely. PSNI and Garda paranoia over the Nordy fans last night doesn't help.
And we'd have Ireland's Call at football matches as well? FOOK RIGHT OFF WITH THAT NOTION. 
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Posted By: Denis Irwin
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 1:07pm
Anyone see their pathetic banner last night: ''FAI hands off our players but keep Darron Gibson'' dissappeared fairly quickly when the 4th goal went in 
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Posted By: Emerald
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 1:20pm
iandowie wrote:
This topic is very contraversial with many fans. The way I see it is that Northern Ireland are at a disadvantage in this current situation. However, a player should have a choice to play for which ever team he likes. I would suggest the best and only way to solve this problem is to bring the two island football associations together and pick one international football team. You only have to look at how well the rugby team has grown together. The footballers could line out to 'shoulder to shoulder' and raise both british & irish flags (or even a compromised flag like the rugby team's). In my opinion this would end the booing of anthems, players and coaching staff. Merging the two associations would also bring a bigger audience to the domestic league and making it more competitive, not to mention the extra revenue it would generate for the local game.
Football should bring communities together, provide a common interest among strangers. People need to stand up to the divide in our great game.
Go on the Irish! All the Irish |
Interesting stuff. Not sure about the flags part but the rest makes a lot of sense, especially your bit about football should be bringing communities together, which IMO is not happening on the IFA side despite proclamations that things have improved. As long as they keep using GSTQ and displaying loyalist flags they will continue to divide the footballing community, not bring it together. It would be great if we had one association and one football team on the island, but unfortunately it is a pipe dream. The IFA would be the ones as seeing themselves being submerged into a larger body, and so would never agree to it, despite as you say a new domestic league would be more competitive. Good sentiments though.
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Posted By: Saint Tom
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 1:24pm
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again again again the lads choose to play for the roi because they do not see themselves as northern irish. can it get any simpler??
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Posted By: FREEWHEELER
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 1:27pm
Saint Tom wrote:
again again again
the lads choose to play for the roi because they do not see themselves as northern irish. can it get any simpler?? |
Amazing how slowly common-sense is absorbed by people Tom. Mind boggling.
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Posted By: Newryrep
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 2:17pm
FREEWHEELER wrote:
Saint Tom wrote:
again again again
the lads choose to play for the roi because they do not see themselves as northern irish. can it get any simpler?? |
Amazing how slowly common-sense is absorbed by people Tom. Mind boggling. |
Make this a bloody sticky along with the flags anthem windsor park sh*te that is regulary trotted out here by people who know sweet FA
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Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 3:11pm
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The NI fans will never agree to a one team as they feel they will lose their identity. But so would we as we would lose our national anthem and our national flag. And realistically only 1 player out of that squad would make out starting 11.
So do we give up our anthem and our fans and also taking on board the baggage that these supporters have?
At the moment we have a 32 country team and they have the scraps from 6 counties.
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me,
He wouldn't set me free,
So he kept me soul for ransom.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to
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Posted By: Belfast Green
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 3:42pm
Newryrep wrote:
FREEWHEELER wrote:
Saint Tom wrote:
again again again
the lads choose to play for the roi because they do not see themselves as northern irish. can it get any simpler?? |
Amazing how slowly common-sense is absorbed by people Tom. Mind boggling. |
Make this a bloody sticky along with the flags anthem windsor park sh*te that is regulary trotted out here by people who know sweet FA |
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Posted By: Antrim's Finest
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 4:44pm
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This is worth noting and regurgitating the next time one of the GAWA muppets (or, for that matter, Nigel Worthington) whines about northerners opting for the Republic:
The only player on the pitch at any stage during the 5-0 Aviva Massacre who left one international Irish side to play for the other was Jonny Gorman, who defected north. Oh the irony!
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Posted By: trapforpresident
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2012 at 11:57am
after o neill statement today its obvious the ifa are going to try put pressure on players who have declared for ireland to play for there pub team,should the fai issue a statement or some other body to remind the ifa of the right of people in the six counties to choose there nationality under the good friday agreement.
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Posted By: Newryrep
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2012 at 12:13pm
trapforpresident wrote:
after o neill statement today its obvious the ifa are going to try put pressure on players who have declared for ireland to play for there pub team,should the fai issue a statement or some other body to remind the ifa of the right of people in the six counties to choose there nationality under the good friday agreement.
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no
and can i politely suggest you do some research before you post sh1te like that highlighted above. Thank you
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