Don't really like Israelis! Wouldn't trust one as far as I could throw one.

 

 

me and the lads have these flags on stickers with "boycot Isralie goods" written on the white part,

 

one even has it stook to his passport which will be eventfull the next time were in da airport

 

Please do tell?

This couple went for3 months and camped and brought about 500 A dollars.

 

 

 

 

Horsie I don't want to bang on as I know it will get nowhere but one question I would like to ask

Q. Everyone know's the Isrealis have nukes now if Hamas had them do you think they would press the button ?????

 

As for mean people very easy to paint everyone with the same brush but my classic was I came across an English gut in southern India 18 years ago and me said he was living on 50 pence a day . Why was my question . He really didn't have much of an answer , I tell you you find cheap skates everywhere .

 

Was this him Murph?

 

 

 

 

 

An awful lot has changed since you were there Murph........................did you ever meet up again with Moses?

I have hummed and hawed over this for a while now (due to moral and ethical reasons etc.) but finally bit the bullet by booking return flights to Israel in November. It is somewhere I've always wanted to go and see mainly because of the history that surrounds the region and the fact I love travelling. The difficulty I have is reconciling the moral and ethical issues with the State of Israel. 

Anyhow, one of the ways of reconciling these issues is to limit my expenditure as far as reasonable to non-jewish businesses like hotels etc. The problem I'm finding is the accommodation providers don't leave too many traces of their backgrounds when I try to book even in Arab areas like Jaffa (finding Arabic restaurants shouldn't be too bad I reckon). 

I intend to spend a day or two in Jaffa and then a day or two in Jerusalem with the rest of the time, possibly another day or so, spent in the West Bank. 

To cut to the chase I'd appreciate if those of you who have been there would share any tips you have. 

Cheers in advance  

Give me ideas what you want Jewish or Arab and i will try and help you out .

Here is a link to the definition of a bigot:  http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/bigot" rel="nofollow - http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/bigot

As always LD you come onto a thread with an ill-informed smart arse comment. 

For your information I do not hold any ill feelings towards Jewish, Christians, Arabs or people of other faiths or even people with no faith. I am merely holding those to account, who vote in a large way, for parties that put leaders like Netanyahu, Barak etc into power. Those very leaders who then used or are using the arms of the state to bring misery and destruction to the lives of many thousands of people.

 

he's an attention seeking troll. Pops up every now and again when he needs some attention... best to ignore.

anyway, i traveled to Israel and Palestine in around 2005/06 and loved it. We stayed mainly in tel aviv. I wouldn't avoid any Israeli restaurants/ shops etc as it will limit your trip. The majority of folk we came across in tel aviv were very decent and welcoming. Good people. TA is very cosmopolitan. 

We use TA as a base to visit Jerusalem (which is incredible!!) and the west bank, including Bethlehem & Nablus). We also used a arab taxi driver to visit rammallah and the tomb of yasser arafat which was a very poignant trip. I wouldnt suggest going into rammallah now however... western hostages are worth a few quid these days!!

the west bank checkpoints were the most frustrating part of the trip. You'll see people queuing for hours in the dirt, being basically treated like animals by the guards.  It is a human prison. When you see the size of the walls surrounding it you'll be amazed. Israelie apologists the world over don't like to see this side of Israel.

One tip - When in TA take a walk down the beach to old jaffa. Its an arab/ christian town. There's a beautiful old church there (st michaels) which is worth a visit. There's fantastic old markets and restaurants around the port there too. Only an hour walk and really worth while. 

Definitely go but don't boycott. 

Went to Jerusalem for Easter Sunday and was class. Had great meals everywhere there. 

Be careful with street kids in Jerusalem in the bazaar's very handy at the pick pocketing.

They love to party and women in Tel Aviv were class - spent most of time in Mikes bar and the beach bar that never closed i think..  After the game met Brian Kerr by the beach wondering around aimlessly. Those 2 Israel comebacks cost him his job. 

Pointless fact - they took my issues of bizarre and loaded magazines going into the country. Also allow hours getting out as customs takes ages!! 

Haifa is another spot to check out!

As for Jerusalem, Yad Vashem and id recommend taking a tour of the old city

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I've been to Isreal a few times, my folks dragged me out when i was 11 for three weeks they're a friendly bunch i find them like the Turks nearly to nice, I've been back a bunch of times since for work.

Don't bother trying to boycott, you'll spoil your trip and you are in Israel you're going to really really struggle. 

So you've never been to Oxegen?

So i take it you will fly into Tel Aviv when you get there make sure you don't get your passport stamped they will give you two bits of paper with your name face and passport details on them , don't lose them as you need them when you leave also hotels ask for them also .

You can take the train in to downtown .

Things to do look you have to have a look at the beaches but November will be chilly here it will ice cols when you hit Jerusalem . If you want to go to Jaffa sure not we were there on Shabbat ( sun down on friday night until sundown Saturday )everything closed the only what we found was the old railway station which has craft shops ok for a stroll around .while in Jaffa walk up to the top of the hill some view down along the coast . We walked all the way back to down town great walk along the beach front . Eating well take you pick as the local love to eat out some amount of dogs i must say as it looked like everyone has a pooch .

Heading off to Jerusalem the bus is the easy option as the train takes longer .

Now very simple if you want all things Arab then stay in East Jerusalem west Jewish simple as that the JLR ( light rail ) runs down parts of east and west and goodness walk across the street and it's hard to understand that you are in the same city .

We stayed in the east part no hassle really but women need to dress right even then Mrs Claret was shot in the ass with a kid with a pellet gun hey what can you do really . 

So much to see and do you will need 4 days to see everything and even then you will miss a few bits .

Hard to know what you want to see but 4 things are unmissable really the Dome of the rock ( bring your passport otherwise you will not get in ), The western wall , Yad Vashem , and my fav the western wall tunnels which are unreal book in advance and you will get an english guide .

Now throw in the Mount of olives , tomb of the virgin Mary and the joy of getting lost in the old city and it's a joy i must say . Look if you get lost and you will just follow the tour groups and you will be fine .

Not sure i would like to stay in the old city as can get werid at times in the evenings when everything locks up for the night . 

The west bank well wanted to spend the day in Bethlehem but major hassles from anyone as soon as we got off the bus until went went home about an hour or so later , look saw what we wanted to but stay away from guides , taxis and anyone who calls you my friend . Hope you have better luck than we did i will never go back for sure . It's a 15 minute walk up the hill where the local bus drops you off no matter what everyone will tell you . You must take your passport when in the west bank as you will get checked . Other than that i would say take a side trip to the dead sea well worth it , you can take the Egged bus or rent a car which what we did , stay in and around Ein Bokek good hotels and all set up to go floating in the dead sea . If you do rent a car bring food and drink with you if you are on a budget as it's about 40% more expensive than in in the cities .

Again the must thing to do is go to Masada unreal take the cable car up and walk back down if you have the time English guides every few hours ours was 9.30am super stuff read about first and make your own mind up about it . I would say you will need two days for this doe this side trip again your call you will never be able to do everything it's up to you what the most important on the must do list .

Enjoy 

I've always had a fascination about The Vietnam War, but lately I've watched a good few online documentaries on The Yom Kippur War, The 6 Day War and what happened those Israeli athletes in Munich in 1972 etc all were gripping viewing to say the least. 

How The Mossad operated really intrigued me, what happened in Norway was a shock mind as prior to that they seemed immune to making mistakes. 

Any hidden gem books or documentaries out there anyone could let me know about, as you would rarely if ever see anything about these events on TV.