the future for shelbourne
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Topic: the future for shelbourne
Posted By: Saint Tom
Subject: the future for shelbourne
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2010 at 6:03pm
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all partisan opinion aside, what's going to happen here?
while a few years ago i would gladly have wished death on shels, there is a certain amount of respect that goes for tradition, history and rivalry.
gouldy, chad, gaz, sledge.. any silver lining on the horizon?
i hear irishtown muted ? how likely is this? i honestly think rneting in the corpo area from a rival club (be it pats or bohs) will see shels in fierce difficulty going forward.
at the end of the day, pats were only a benefactor away from the same scenario a few years back, then again the club owns richer and you'd still get €15 million for it, given its proximity to town and the land owned by the club on the far side of the camac (slightly smaller than the football ground). i personally thought tallaght as owners was an option for us, before the council built it, provided rovers were not tenants. still think we'd do very wellin clondalkin/ballyer with a new ground. michaels estate is still on the backburner, but requires a certain city council to reaslise they have a site that is worthless and a club which can regenerate a community (without profit of course)
Tom
------------- My destination inchicore my next stop being kilmainham Where patriots and super saints are the topics of conversation |
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Posted By: SYLT Number 2
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2010 at 6:13pm
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I predict we will end up playing LSL.
f**k the whole thing anyway, Shels go bust and we suffer greatly. Rovers go bust and they get bailed out and a stadium in Tallaght. |
Posted By: Saint Tom
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2010 at 6:25pm
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i think it came down to timing, shels had a period of unparelleled success in the early noughties, spent a bomb that they didnt have on players (acknowledging rovers overspent) and never secured ownership of a ground, had they gone for a greenfield site in swords - for example - and half finished it, and then asked for help, im sure fingal co co would have rowed in behind. I'm a pats fans since the early nineties, my family had no direct connection to the club, my da brought us for the first time for a "cablelink festival of football" friendly v john aldridge's tranmere (ma being a scouser), and, imo the league of ireland hasnt seen the intensity of that rivalry, or the crowds at those games since the late 90's.
and yes rovers did well in tallaght last year, doesnt mean its ongoing. the cup and league quadrilogy in a fortnight in 1998 will always stand out for me, as anyone who was at them will say.
must have been a novelty for hoops and gypo fans last year to fight over a championship? used to be par for the course in richer and tolka ------------- My destination inchicore my next stop being kilmainham Where patriots and super saints are the topics of conversation |
Posted By: Gouldinho09
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2010 at 7:46pm
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There is no long term future for Shelbourne. Im not just being pessimistic like i usually am but we are gone in a few years. There isnt a hope we are gonna go up this season. The budget is reducing every year and with us being out of Tolka next season the budget will be tiny and crowds will dwindle. Nothing lasts forever. ------------- |
Posted By: TBWRA
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2010 at 7:59pm
well use to it ,we were runners up to them in the 80's |
Saint Tom wrote:Posted By: Saint Tom
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2010 at 8:23pm
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every year?? yeah!
of your eleven championships, five were in the formative years of the loi (pre 1935 - pre pats :) ), two in the seventies, four since 2001. you didnt even hit on the richter scale in the 1980s, not a cup ,league cup or nada. not like you were runners up every year! ------------- My destination inchicore my next stop being kilmainham Where patriots and super saints are the topics of conversation |
Posted By: TBWRA
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2010 at 8:38pm
| eh no tom not every year in the 80s, thanks for the history lesson though |
Posted By: Saint Tom
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2010 at 9:03pm
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well when in the eighties were you runners up then? if you didnt win a trophy in the entire decade? ------------- My destination inchicore my next stop being kilmainham Where patriots and super saints are the topics of conversation |
Posted By: Saint Tom
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2010 at 9:07pm
almost like shamrock rovers in the noughties.... (or did they win a league cup?  )
pats won fook all in the 80's. barren patch, but we didnt pretend to be hard luck runners up!------------- My destination inchicore my next stop being kilmainham Where patriots and super saints are the topics of conversation |
Posted By: Gaz
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2010 at 2:28am
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Yeah doesn't look good at the moment tom. We're defo out of tolka at the end of this season with renting dalyer being the most likely option. Irishtown was muted as u said but we have no money so can't develop/upgrade a site. Very depressing but I don't think we'll be lsl/finished in a couple of years. If we were gonna die as a club it would have happened in 2007 IMO. However paying rent to the gypo's is not the way forward and we'll probably lose support because of it ------------- I dont email the count anymore, its been 9 months : ( He even sent me a YBIG scarf for my Birthday |
Posted By: Barry
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2010 at 3:45am
| its a disgrace when you see a franchaise club in the premier with funding and been full time and a club like shels struggling |
Posted By: TBWRA
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2010 at 5:13am
slow down here ,you said it must of been a novelty having a title challenge with Rovers i said no we had numerous run in's in the 80's ,dont know why your banging on about winning trophies for  |
Posted By: TBWRA
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2010 at 5:14am
why ? |
Posted By: The Saint
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2010 at 6:06am
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I would be sad to see the end of shels, as Tom said the history between our clubs brings back some great momories and also some not so good.
Most of the shels fans I know say they wont attend home games in dayler or richmond park so if this happens with the majority of supporters how can they survive? ------------- FAIlure Good shot, lovely ............ oh good jaysus |
Posted By: sledgehammer
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2010 at 7:40am
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Got to agree the future doesn t look bright at all without tolka. And thats not just bad for us its bad for the league, a stadium and a club that has deep history and roots in our league could disaper. Shels still attract good crowds compared to most clubs so thats people and money leaving the league too. We all no financially we fooked up but what an adventure it was. In truth it looks like the dream is over and thats very very sad! ------------- Up there for thinking. Down there for dancing |
Posted By: OldBawnHoop
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2010 at 1:25pm
Rovers go bust the fans save the club and we get relegated you t**ser. We worked our way back up in Tolka not Tallaght remember?
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Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2010 at 10:20pm
 ......Bitter much? ------------- "Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?" |
Posted By: Honey Monster
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 6:22am
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Fook sake, what a disaster. Dallyer would be bad enough but Richmond would really affect attendances. What ever happened to the AUL rumour?? ------------- 753 |
Posted By: SYLT Number 2
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 9:08am
4%? |
Posted By: The Saint
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 9:26am
 ------------- FAIlure Good shot, lovely ............ oh good jaysus |
Posted By: OldBawnHoop
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 9:51am
| Ehh |
Posted By: SYLT Number 2
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 1:22pm
Didn't expect an answer to be honest. |
Posted By: The Big Club
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 2:43pm
| I think the 4% chad is refering to is that yyou were only made pay 4% of your creditors foo, model club my arse. |
Posted By: Gouldinho09
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2010 at 3:07pm
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If everyone copied the "Rovers Model" we would be living in a 3rd world country ------------- |
Posted By: c90
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2013 at 10:43pm
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------------- Maggie Thatcher, Winston Churchill, Lawrence Of Arabia, Elton John! Yiz can all go f**k yerselves |
Posted By: Dillonman
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2013 at 10:45pm
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the fans need to take a stand against the owners. thats what we did last year and the old owner was eventually forced to hand the club over to the trust and a few private backers. ------------- We all hate Drog scum. |
Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2013 at 10:56pm
You do understand Tolka is also a municipal stadium and you had every opportunity to go into examiniership? Are we supposed to apologise for running our affairs better?
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Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2013 at 10:58pm
Great story. Pity it is total myth. But that doesn't get away from the fact that Shels had the chance to go into examinership and chose not to. So they can spare us the whinging now.
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Posted By: Landon Donovan
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2013 at 11:03pm
I genuinely don't have a clue who even owns the club at the moment but I'm sure whoever does own it will gladly hand the club and its debt over to a trust. Even the ownership of the lease to Tolka is debatable. |
Posted By: c90
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2013 at 11:04pm
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RTId, those comments are 2 years old FFS. ------------- Maggie Thatcher, Winston Churchill, Lawrence Of Arabia, Elton John! Yiz can all go f**k yerselves |
Posted By: skinnymalinx
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2013 at 11:31pm
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The ONLY way that shels can save themselves is if their hardcore support wrestle their club from the clutches of the current ownership. The fans have to want to refuse to let their club die a quiet death and merge themselves into an active worthwhile serious group, just like FORAS at cork and 400 club at Rovers before them. this has got damn all to do with free stadiums or goverment tax benefits. its has everything to do with Shels hardcore showing the willingness to save their own club, cos no one else will ------------- beware the ides of march |
Posted By: Dukla
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2013 at 11:51pm
One of the supporters trust lads said it's still owned by the Estate of Ollie Byrne. |
Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2013 at 12:21am
| The fact that there is any question at all is ominous. Go and find out, CRO records are a fiver. If it is complicated, there has to be one fan who is a solicitor or accountant. |
Posted By: smart man
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2013 at 8:14pm
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Shelbourne are one of the oldest Clubs in Ireland. No way should they be ever let die. Ben Hannnigan, Eric Barber, Joe Wilson. Great players remember listening to the late Philip Greene on Radio covering thier European games way back in the 1960s. Drumcondra among others have gone but surely the real Dubs will save Shels? ------------- alive and kicking |
Posted By: Gary McKay
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2013 at 8:40pm
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Taken over by Coerver. Coerver Shels FC. |
Posted By: Peake
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2013 at 11:59pm
 The 1895 Trust is the future of Shelbourne Football Club. The Coerver deal sounds great, it will be interesting to see how it pans out. Looking back at the posts from 3 years ago, have to ask you Tom, are you or any other Pats fans worried your clubs future? You quoted Richer being worth 15 million in the opening post, I would imagine that figure has dropped significantly.
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Posted By: Guf10
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2013 at 9:37am
Wonder what MayoMarks opinion is on this!! ------------- 2 in a row, 2 in a row, 2 in a row |
Posted By: seanyshuffler
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2013 at 5:48pm
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http://extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/10104/" rel="nofollow - http://extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/10104/ |
Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2013 at 7:32pm
Merge Bohs and Shels together... North Liffey Rangers or something like that has an iteresting ting to it!  ------------- "Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?" |
Posted By: Saint Tom
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2013 at 5:46pm
prophetic words about the country indeed ------------- My destination inchicore my next stop being kilmainham Where patriots and super saints are the topics of conversation |
Posted By: Saint Tom
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2013 at 5:50pm
genuinely not one bit worried. crowds are the same as they ever were, still the same potential as we ever had, and the fact we dont tend to follow the boom bust cycles of other clubs, we tend to be consistently mediocre ------------- My destination inchicore my next stop being kilmainham Where patriots and super saints are the topics of conversation |
Posted By: billykid
Date Posted: 02 May 2013 at 4:01am
| Coerver at Shels will be top class, have attended a few coerver sessions at NDSL and all were 100% quality, far better than anything with FAI, new, inventive, players loved it as did all coaches. Paul fogarty at Shels has done great job bringing coerver into club. |
Posted By: Peake
Date Posted: 02 May 2013 at 3:21pm
Paul
 Shels |
Posted By: thebronze14
Date Posted: 13 May 2013 at 10:38pm
| clubs supporters issue a statement tonight demanding Alan Mathews give up his role as manager |
Posted By: Na Firinne
Date Posted: 13 May 2013 at 11:43pm
All 100 of them? ------------- Ireland's Number 1!! |
Posted By: Landon Donovan
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 12:05am
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Mathews has taken to twitter http://twitter.com/DefoRealMathews" rel="nofollow - http://twitter.com/DefoRealMathews
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Posted By: irelandfan
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 12:58am
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what a sad bastard to whoever set that up. ------------- I'm the gaffer whatever I say goes. |
Posted By: Barry
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 11:09am
+1 gags aren't even funny. Matthews tainted his name with the Drogs in that second season, but I will never forget the job he did after we got about of our financial demise.
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Posted By: tribalarmy
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 12:06pm
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His 57 followers include Ger O'Brien and Eric Foley. Did he manage Foley? |
Posted By: Barry
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 12:13pm
Yeah.
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Posted By: Dukla
Date Posted: 14 May 2013 at 1:48pm
In all seriousness, the vast majority of Shels fans want him to piss off. http://www.redsindependent.com/a-statement-from-reds-independent-13-may-2013/" rel="nofollow - http://www.redsindependent.com/a-statement-from-reds-independent-13-may-2013/ There's the RI statement. |
Posted By: Landon Donovan
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 5:13pm
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Mathews is gone http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=2509" rel="nofollow - http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=2509 Rafa for Shels
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Posted By: saintjoey
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 5:24pm
| After the latest revelations I'll settle for 0-3 tomorrow |
Posted By: Denis Irwin
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 5:25pm
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Dave Bassett is surely the man for the job I'd have thought LD ------------- Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one". Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
Posted By: Dukla
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 5:26pm
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Great |
Posted By: Funsize Crouchy
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 5:37pm
| So is Roddy gonna get the gig? |
Posted By: Landon Donovan
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 5:46pm
He's nailed on for Chelsea. You heard it here first
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Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 5:48pm
Bumper crowd tomorrow night! Might make my tolka debut 
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Posted By: irelandfan
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 6:11pm
Thanks alan for the cup final day out some session in the regency hotel , promotion after 5 years (something keely couldn't bring us) and survival last season. But you're time has come good luck  ------------- I'm the gaffer whatever I say goes. |
Posted By: brissy
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 7:14pm
| Don,t think another manager would do any better. |
Posted By: Barry
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 11:04pm
| My mole who I work with and is a Shels fan, just text me saying that Shels are going to rescue Sean Connor from his African hell hole. He has just been through a physical and will be giving the gig as soon as the results of his Aids test come back postive. |
Posted By: Landon Donovan
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 11:07pm
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Q Man always on the money. Mr LOI
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Posted By: Dukla
Date Posted: 16 May 2013 at 11:46pm
Can't possibly do any worse than he did |
Posted By: Peake
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 12:32am
Mathews finished in the exact same position as Keely with a much bigger budget. We had a big budget as well last year, something which he pissed away and should not be congratulated for keeping us up with. Delighted to see the back of him and hopefully this is the end of his managerial career.
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Posted By: Nah Nah Nah Nah
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 9:12am
| He'll be able to spend more time with the people he loves now. Wacthing them in Tallaght. |
Posted By: Barry
Date Posted: 18 May 2013 at 6:16pm
| My mole informed at half time last night, that Duleek Fc Duo, Dave Rodgers and Tony Grant are been linked with the vacant managers job at Tolka Park. |
Posted By: Madferret
Date Posted: 19 May 2013 at 8:58am
| Rocky O'Brien expected to be announced within 48 hours with Ashley Grimes as his number two / New Club Hairdresser. |
Posted By: Landon Donovan
Date Posted: 24 May 2013 at 2:57pm
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Johnny Mac has gotten the gig http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=2514" rel="nofollow - http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=2514
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Posted By: Dukla
Date Posted: 24 May 2013 at 3:32pm
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Nice one |
Posted By: DG80
Date Posted: 25 May 2013 at 5:18pm
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have alot of time for johnny mc. i think he did better at pats when there was no money before special k came in. so, yis will be grand!! ------------- cup champions |
Posted By: tribalarmy
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2013 at 1:03am
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An article from the Baltimore Ravens website about Shelbourne v Sligo. http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Eisenberg-Similarity-In-All-Fans---Wherever-In-The-World/f967b9ff-3a69-4a87-ab2a-988f653f3ffc" rel="nofollow - http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Eisenberg-Similarity-In-All-Fans---Wherever-In-The-World/f967b9ff-3a69-4a87-ab2a-988f653f3ffc |
Posted By: Cabra Hoop
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2013 at 8:44am
"A sporting Taj Mahal it is not"................
The final two paragraphs of the piece really articulate what it is to be a LOI fan.............. ------------- " BFC always gives me a laugh........ " |
Posted By: RogerMilla
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2013 at 11:24am
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haha great to see johnny back , think i will cheer for shels now ,
------------- The first time the Devil made me do it. The second time I did it on my own. |
Posted By: RogerMilla
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2013 at 11:25am
"its like the matrix , its just like numbers flashing up and down but i look out on the pitch and i can make sense of it "   ------------- The first time the Devil made me do it. The second time I did it on my own. |
Posted By: Green Devil
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2013 at 11:04pm
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I'm hopefully starting work with the FAI from January on, strongly thinking about hitting Tolka Park as often as i can after work! Iv'e always had a soft spot for Shels, since the days of Stephen Geoghegan, Dessie Baker, Sheridan, Gough etc. ------------- "He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland," Eamonn Dunphy on Glenn Whelan |
Posted By: Gaz
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2013 at 11:56pm
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Come on down GD. I can meet ya for a beer in the ground before the 1st game Football friends ------------- I dont email the count anymore, its been 9 months : ( He even sent me a YBIG scarf for my Birthday |
Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2013 at 12:01am
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Cheap pints in the tolka bar
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Posted By: Saint Tom
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2013 at 11:26am
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That will make three of you! ------------- My destination inchicore my next stop being kilmainham Where patriots and super saints are the topics of conversation |
Posted By: Green Devil
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2013 at 1:21pm
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@Gaz, it's only in the pipe line at the moment mate as i'm waiting for word back on the job, but yeah i see no reason why i couldn't make a few games a season regardless. @Vinnie, cheap pints and football? Match made in heaven ------------- "He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland," Eamonn Dunphy on Glenn Whelan |
Posted By: Green Devil
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2014 at 3:50pm
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Very tempted to hit Tallaght Stadium on Sunday the 20th of July to see Shels for the first time! ------------- "He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland," Eamonn Dunphy on Glenn Whelan |
Posted By: starryplough
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2014 at 1:38pm
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Longford now top after beating Shels 3-0 ------------- Some Clubs Are Bigger Than Others |