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CillDara
Davey Langan Joined: 08 Aug 2011 Location: Kildare Status: Online Points: 761 |
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It's probably a harsh assessment on a 20 year old kid but I would agree with you. When young players aren't playing any first team football until their early 20s they are not going to make it at the elite level.
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Gary McKay
Roy Keane Yo Adrian Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 13816 |
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In fairness to Duff he played for the best team in England at the time and won two league titles. He also ran Barcelona ragged one night. |
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engpad
500 Club la la la Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Status: Offline Points: 556 |
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I did say it was harsh as he has time on his side but sure look at the age of a load of other players listed here - Alex O'Hanlon, Conor Clifford, Sam Byrne. Considering the hype around Masterson when he moved to England a good few years ago now you'd have expected him to have played a senior game by now.
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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And don't forget his 2003 wondergoal against Canada (or was it 2004?)
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Citizen
Roy Keane Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Location: Highway 753 Status: Offline Points: 13741 |
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the entire 'golden generation' were a massive disappointment, who woud have thought after 2002 that group wouldnt beat a higher ranked team let alone qualify for a tournament for over a decade.
I include Duff, Keane, O'Shea, Dunne, Carr, Finnan, Given (To be fair was consistently the best performer among that
group). pretty pathethic tbh, especially looking at the players we have now |
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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04 Euros campaign was almost over before it had began due to abysmal management. McCarthy making a sh*t show of it and losing the 2 openin g games. 06 WC campaign was very disappointing as we were so close but so far away in the end under Kerr. The 08 campaign was under Stand. So besides Kerr's only full campaign 2 campaigns were f*cked by awful management. Very hard to blame players like Keane or Duff or others when that's the level of incompetence you are dealing with. Not to forget the '00 campaign where Robbie Keane sat on the bench while McCarthys pal Tony Cascarino waddled around up front like a pensioner. To call any of those players efforts pathetic under such stewardship, well for want of a better word that is simply pathetic. |
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10659 |
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I would say that our 2006 WC Qualification was easily the biggest disappointment in our annals of modern football in the country. The squad we had was more than capable of topping a very average group, where France even gave most a head start, and we came fourth.
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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Considering in '04 we had very ordinary Russia and Switzerland sides as our main rivals, and McCarthy threw the Swiss game in the last 15 minutes trying to get a winner to save his own job, that for me would easily top the '06 campaign.
To say that '06 was more disappointing that '08 under Stan is a massive stretch as well. Either way my point still stands, to question some of Irelands greatest ever players like Duff and Keane for not qualifying for more tournaments, when they were under the supervision of absolute plebians in a number of campaigns is poor imo.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Icy Bread People
500 Club la la la Joined: 31 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 564 |
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Duff and Robben were at Chelsea together, compare the two of their careers if you want to see why Duff was a major disappointment in the end, after looking like George Best against Spain and in the early part of his career
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Devrozex
Jack Charlton Joined: 23 Oct 2010 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 7676 |
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I'm not sure I'd agree that was an 'average group' at all - quite the opposite in fact. I thought that was one of the toughest, and probably one of the most interesting, groups we were ever in. Don't forget that French side went on to contest the WC final, yet the only win they got over the other top three teams in the group was against us in Dublin. Perennial WC/Euro qualifiers Switzerland and a very well coached, and indeed incredibly c**tish, Israeli side made for a really fascinating group. We still should have topped it on account of the fact we threw four points away in our two games against the Israelis, but I can't really accept the notion the group was 'average' when it was anything but.
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BabbsBalls
Moderator Group Joined: 12 Feb 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 10223 |
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So our failings over the last 16-20 years is all down to bad management? The players have nothing to answer for ? I’d say your “inside” knowledge of the dressing room is developed watching sky , not kicking a ball or sitting in an actual dressing room.
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l hear you are a racist now, father ?
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Mr. Snrub
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Co. Dublin Status: Offline Points: 2076 |
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Kerr couldn't have done much more in the 2006 campaign. We were robbed against the Israeli's twice and their keeper punched Andy O'Brien and got him sent off! Although I do attribute some blame to the substitution of Graham Kavanagh for the injured Robbie Keane in the same game.
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"Here's Robbie Keane...... yeeeessss! That is no more than Ireland deserve!"
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bhob
Roy Keane YBIGs Donald Trump Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 10470 |
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You have to look at the team he's in though. It's going to be very hard to him to break through there. 2 players from memory Gomez & TAA are the only ones I can think of that have broken though in recent times. He has made the bench twice I believe in the last few months. A loan spell to the Championship would do him wonders but he's hardly a player that hasn't lived up to expectations, unless of course your expectations were for him to be a starter for Liverpool at CB from the age of 18?
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10659 |
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We weren’t robbed against Israel. We totally robbed ourselves, notwithstanding Dudu’s despicable behaviour that night. We were the architects of our own downfall in both Israel games. Little separated us and the Swiss and we should have beaten a French team in turmoil in 2004, when we got a 0-0 draw in Paris. That ignores our awful performance in Nicosia, and our profligacy against the FI in Dublin. People seem to be forgetting the difficulties in the French camp when the group started and which ran into early 2005. We withdrew after scoring against Switzerland in Basel.
The fourth place finish should speak volumes, even if there was very little to separate the teams. Also, we played the French in Dublin at full strength and it didn’t work. We had a squad of players to top that group.
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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Exactly. The home game was marked by an appalling level of conservatism against a team who were beaten, with changes that seemed to inspire them more than us.
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engpad
500 Club la la la Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Status: Offline Points: 556 |
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Back on topic - bar Robbie Brady, struggling to think of a high profile young Dublin player who's moved to England who has gone on to make a reasonable impact in recent times.
By high profile I'm thinking along the lines of lads who were hyped as agents began to be more involved, Anthony Stokes, Conor Clifford, Richie Towell, Aaron Doran, Gavin Gunning, Eoghan Stokes, Jack Byrne, Alex O'Hanlon, Daniel Cleary, Conor Masterson. Hope the same doesn't befall Glen McCauley, Troy Parrott etc. Will be really interesting to see if it's different for Gavin Bazunu having come through the LOI route and played a few first team games before making the move.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Gavin Gunning came on for Forest Green last night, he is like a heavyweight boxer.
Edited by pre Madonna - 03 Oct 2018 at 1:42pm |
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JoxerDaly
Liam Brady Joined: 03 Apr 2018 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 1273 |
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I really think moving to big clubs ruins talented young lads . The money and lack of first team oppurtunites leaves them disallusioned and lacking any motivation after making couple of grand a week for a few years
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