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Pipkin ![]() Liam Brady ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 May 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1968 |
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Like Whelan....who excels at international level ![]() St Ledger has played 1 competitive match in the past year.
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StephenHendrick ![]() Kevin Kilbane ![]() Joined: 11 May 2014 Location: Loughrea Status: Offline Points: 325 |
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Wouldn't have McShane in the team but he's not a bad back up. Any faults are exaggerated. O'Dea has rarely put a foot wrong. Wouldn't have Sammon in the team - and he was poor in the Austria game - but he looked decent enough in other games.
Has Walters proven himself in the PL? He's a Pulis player, the fan aren't particularly enamoured with him, lost his place in the team recently and Stoke looked a lot more fluid without him. His goalscoring record also very poor - for all everyone criticises Doyle. I wouldn't have in the team - definitely not the wing - but he's probably worthy of a squad place. |
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Green Devil ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() ![]() Aye Kes, I've pissed me-self again Joined: 06 Oct 2010 Location: Barbados Status: Offline Points: 22173 |
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McShane is an accident waiting to happen, O'Dea is a hoof merchant and Sammon is dire. ![]() I think over 100 PL apperances will suggest otherwise, not to mention he played more than 3/4 of Stokes league games under Hughes during the 13/14 season so he's hardly just a "Pulis player" . Walters has never been an out an out striker ala Robbie Keane. He gets deployed on the wing more often than not be it with Ireland or Stoke, hence the poor return in goals to games. Doyle was struggling to score league goals in League 1 ffs.
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"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"
Eamonn Dunphy on Glenn Whelan |
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FREEWHEELER ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() ![]() sPICE UP YOUR LIFE Gwan MONROY Joined: 29 Mar 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 24595 |
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The likes Ray Houghton wasn't great for his club?
Did you actually see him play at club level? Jesus what a comment.... |
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We'll never die, we'll never die, we'll keep the Green Flag flying high......Shamrock Rovers will never die, we'll keep the Green Flag Flying high. 19 Leagues and 25 Cups.....
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Boban ![]() Kevin Kilbane ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Status: Offline Points: 394 |
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Judging by the number of games he played this season,I'd say he must be a Mark Hughes player as well.I don't think he should be starting every game by any means but he's easily worthy of his place in the squad. Do you believe Sammon should be higher up the pecking order than Walters? Edited by Boban - 02 Jun 2014 at 10:55pm |
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StephenHendrick ![]() Kevin Kilbane ![]() Joined: 11 May 2014 Location: Loughrea Status: Offline Points: 325 |
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Doyle played on the wing for the majority of his Championship and L1 games for Wolves but that didn't save him from opprobrium here.
Re Walters: just go Oatcake and see what people who watch him every week think of him and by your logic, Kevin Kilbane must be one of the best International left backs ever because he started 100 consecutive games. Walters is a workrate player. He'll run all day so he is a manager's dream in that regard. Going forward he offers nothing on the wing. He might have a role if we are hanging on to a lead or we are set up negatively. Up front, he's not a good finisher, lacks pace and isn't that good in the air. I think McShane's reputation precedes him really. Dread to think what the reaction would have been if he pulled a Richie Keogh in a Playoff final. Edit: No I wouldn't have Sammon ahead of Walters. I placed Walters in the demote list because he is a regular starter or usually first off the bench. Imo he shouldn't be. Sammon hasn't even featured recently so you can't even demote him.
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Green Devil ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() ![]() Aye Kes, I've pissed me-self again Joined: 06 Oct 2010 Location: Barbados Status: Offline Points: 22173 |
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Why are you putting words in my mouth ![]() ![]() If you actually read my comments, I clearly stated Walters is an average player? Based on what exactly? The only reason he doesn't make too many mistakes for Hull is because they play with 3 centre halves, see him playing right back for Ireland and theres a different player. Sammon was still called up for the Italy game though, so he is in MON thoughts. |
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"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"
Eamonn Dunphy on Glenn Whelan |
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RogerMilla ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() #TEAMJAVIER #ENGANCHE Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Location: Delaney Park Status: Offline Points: 34848 |
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people certainly do forget that , because its simply not the case, he was brilliant at liverpool FFS very good at villa too and was getting old at palace but still played some great ball.
dont be talking dung now.
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The first time the Devil made me do it. The second time I did it on my own.
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tony grealish ![]() Liam Brady ![]() Joined: 23 Feb 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1260 |
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What a ridiculous, utterly bizarre thing to say. ![]() |
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''I've had a rough night and I hate the f**kin eagles, man!!''
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fochie ![]() Liam Brady ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 May 2012 Status: Offline Points: 2139 |
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danger here
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Gashley Grimes ![]() Liam Brady ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 May 2012 Status: Offline Points: 1863 |
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The same Ray Houghton that won a league cup with unfashionable Oxford Utd, that won the C'ship and FA Cup with Liverpool and came second in the league with Aston Villa and won a league cup medal with Villa.
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McG ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() SISAO? What the hell is SISAO? Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Location: Christmas Island Status: Offline Points: 26209 |
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Jaysis
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YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017
AS YOU WERE McGx |
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rainpaulo ![]() Ray Houghton ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Feb 2011 Status: Offline Points: 4051 |
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A lot of bluffers on this site.
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horsebox ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 33183 |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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StephenHendrick ![]() Kevin Kilbane ![]() Joined: 11 May 2014 Location: Loughrea Status: Offline Points: 325 |
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A lot of people probably think they're astute than Oscar Garcia, Roberto Martinez, Steve McClaren and Steve Bruce when it comes to lads like McShane and Sammon.
McShane is sh*te! Rabble rabble rabble rabble! My Granny has a better first touch than Sammon! Rabble rabble rabble rabble!
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Stoked Up ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Oct 2009 Location: EspaƱa Status: Offline Points: 6670 |
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Walters has lost his way at Stoke, but has been mostly fine for us and is just behind Long in the pecking order. Not sure how Roy Keane will get on with him after the fallout at Ipswich. Whelan will likely keep his place until someone better comes along. From what I've seen so far, Meylor is not much of an improvement. Hendrick has made a promising start and if he continues his progression will hopefully step up. LB is such a problem area I wont be at all surprised if Ward, despite his limitations, hangs on to the jersey. Anyway, we're too small to be discarding players. Any player playing in the EPL is likely to be good enough for our squads. As it is, we're trawling lower divisions more frequently these days.
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danger here ![]() 500 Club la la la ![]() Joined: 08 Apr 2010 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 706 |
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Re my point using Houghton above perhaps I should have been clearer. We all know he had a decent career but the point I was trying to make is that a few weeks before he scored in Giants Stadium he was sitting on the bench as an unused sub when Villa won the Coca Cola Cup. Ditto Alan McLaughlin, ditto Matt Holland. McAteer wasn't even playing at all afaik when he scored against Holland. We need as many options as possible. That doesn't mean we should be starting Sammon but it means we need to consider our resources. 2nd seeds or not, we are at a similar level as the likes of Israel, Norway, Austria or Hungary and going backwards and until such a time as the FAI or govt invest seriously over 10-15 years in the academic side of football we are going to be a team of yesteryear. Some lads on here still seem to think it's 1993 I get the impression. There's no Terry Phelan booting down the wing any more lads. We put all our proverbial eggs in the one basket (England's leagues) and while that was alright in the pre Premier League times, but in the last 15 years the influx of young foreign players in England has put all the home nations on the backfoot in the long term. In addition, "weaker" teams are not a soft touch anymore and have come on a lot in the last 10 years. People here saying Ward is sh!te or Long can't finish his dinner don't seem to realize there is nothing else there after Robbie is gone. O'Dea is actually playing in a higher standard leaque than most of the squad yet some consider him to be useless. I'm not a great fan of Whelan but christ he's been involved in crucial games like Moscow and Paris plus Euro 2012 yet the populist front of Judea here is saying he should never play again, instead bring in the imaginary Irish next Jan Ceulemans and Denis Irwin II to replace Ward. Laughable reading here at times. Edited by danger here - 03 Jun 2014 at 11:35pm |
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Shamrock ![]() Davey Langan ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Mar 2013 Location: Donegal Status: Offline Points: 905 |
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An astute Oscar Garcia
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