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Didn't know he was from a Russian background. The Russian community in Riga (about 25% of the city's population) were moved in during the Soviet era to try and make Latvia more Russian and keep it in Moscow's orbit. They were never welcomed by the native Latvians and felt like complete outcasts in the city when I was there a few years ago, you'd see Russian bars and restaurants tucked away in quiet corners of the city and nobody Latvian seemed to have a good word to say about them. And that was before Russia invaded Ukraine so it's probably worse now. If he is of Russian descent I doubt he'll play for Latvia wherever he ends up.
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A decent left full will always get chances with England a position they have never had loads of depth in, can't see why he wouldn't stick with them tbh.
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Originally posted by darmack darmack wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

While Cirkin is clearly a player with a bit of ability, it should be pointed out that we have several options coming through in the LB position, while many on here are also bemoaning the fact that Manning hasnt made the squad. Any/all of Adaramola, Furlong, Roughan and even Bagan could be playing regular Championship football next season. Cirkin is with the English U21s currently, is eligible for Latvia, the country of his parents' birth, likely Russia too. He also happens to be Irish eligible by birth (think he left Ireland when he was under 2yo), but he is unlikely to have any natural affinity to us which is entirely understandable. I wouldnt die in a ditch over this lad.

Convienient that he was born here, another looking for an Irish passport......

What the f**k does that even mean?
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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

Originally posted by darmack darmack wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

While Cirkin is clearly a player with a bit of ability, it should be pointed out that we have several options coming through in the LB position, while many on here are also bemoaning the fact that Manning hasnt made the squad. Any/all of Adaramola, Furlong, Roughan and even Bagan could be playing regular Championship football next season. Cirkin is with the English U21s currently, is eligible for Latvia, the country of his parents' birth, likely Russia too. He also happens to be Irish eligible by birth (think he left Ireland when he was under 2yo), but he is unlikely to have any natural affinity to us which is entirely understandable. I wouldnt die in a ditch over this lad.

Convienient that he was born here, another looking for an Irish passport......

What the f**k does that even mean?

It was more taking the piss out of the lads who were up in arms about Obafemi being born here looking for a passport/citizenship.
Similar situation that his parents aren't Irish and then he left when he was a kid.
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Cirkin is a decent player.

Personally, he'd be the type of player I think we should be pursuing. As of now, I doubt he'll be good enough to get many caps for England.

But he is still very young and has improved massively this season, despite all the injuries. Get him capped while he's young and he could be a very good option.

He's very good at left centre-back, and a pretty decent left-back. Very committed, strong in the tackle (bit rash at times) and has added goals to his game. His biggest flaw is that he is ridiculously one-footed and a little predictable as a result of that.
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Originally posted by Fireball07 Fireball07 wrote:

Cirkin is a decent player.

Personally, he'd be the type of player I think we should be pursuing. As of now, I doubt he'll be good enough to get many caps for England.

But he is still very young and has improved massively this season, despite all the injuries. Get him capped while he's young and he could be a very good option.

He's very good at left centre-back, and a pretty decent left-back. Very committed, strong in the tackle (bit rash at times) and has added goals to his game. His biggest flaw is that he is ridiculously one-footed and a little predictable as a result of that.


And similar to Sean Roughan this will likely be his long term position rather than playing WB or FB.
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Yes, and at 21 Cirkin is significantly ahead of the other like candidates in terms of development (e.g.: Adaramola, Furlong, Roughan, etc.).  

The only player "outside" the squad in and around his level is Manning, who is a different type of player and different age-profile.  

From this remove, Cirkin would be someone to get involved, if a possibility.  

Put it this way, if he was born in Belfast or Cardiff (or New York), they'd have been on to him long ago. 
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If he was born in Cardiff or New York he wouldn't be eligible ffs
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He wouldn't be eligible if he'd been born in Belfast either incidentally, but that's clearly not the point that was being made.
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Yes he would.
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Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Yes he would.

No, he wouldn't. Irish citizenship to those born in the north is only afforded to individuals with at least 1 Irish born parent. Cirkin, and everyone else like his with 2 foreign parents, would be ineligible for Ireland.


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https://www.dfa.ie/citizenship/

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If you or your parent were born on the island of Ireland before 2005, you are an Irish citizen. You can apply for an Irish passport without making an application for citizenship.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

He wouldn't be eligible if he'd been born in Belfast either incidentally, but that's clearly not the point that was being made.

He would have been as someone born in 2002.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

He wouldn't be eligible if he'd been born in Belfast either incidentally, but that's clearly not the point that was being made.


He would have been as someone born in 2002.


Even after 2005 I'm somewhat sure he'd be eligible as Latvia joined the EU before the referendum so his parents would have been EU citizens so would have been legally allowed reside in Ireland.

"Individuals born in the country since that date (Jan 1st 2005) receive Irish citizenship at birth if at least one of their parents is an Irish citizen or entitled to be one, a British citizen, a resident with no time limit of stay in either the Republic or Northern Ireland, or a resident who has been domiciled on the island of Ireland for at least three of the preceding four years."

As EU citizens they'd surely meet the requirement in bold wouldn't they?

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They would have up until Brexit anyway. Not sure what the situation would be for a (non-Irish) EU national moving to the north now. Probably hardly any move there these days, they would just move to the Republic instead.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

He wouldn't be eligible if he'd been born in Belfast either incidentally, but that's clearly not the point that was being made.

He would have been as someone born in 2002.

No, he wouldn't. It was formalised as part of the GFA that Irish citizenship in the north would only be conferred to those with at least 1 Irish born parent.
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You better let the Department of Foreign Affairs know then...

"If you or your parent were born on the island of Ireland before 2005, you are an Irish citizen."
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Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

If he was born in Cardiff or New York he wouldn't be eligible ffs

Sorry, I've caused confusion and perhaps I wasn't clear. 

If he was born in Cardiff or Belfast or New York: Wales, NI or USA would be on to him smart-ish making a big effort to get him involved. 

I wasn't saying foreign-born Irish eligible players get priority in our selections.  A different topic altogether. 
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