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Originally posted by Landsdowne90 Landsdowne90 wrote:

this Bradley chap is playing well so far here 

Yeah, he's locked down by NI now. Looks to be a good decision 

Is he?


No, hes only played 1 competitive game for the North.

Hes played a senior competitive game (wc qualifying) which as I understand it locks him down.

I believe he can play 3 senior friendlies and still change (like rice) but not senior competitive?

Happily proved wrong as these new rules are a sh*t show 


No that's not right. He has three caps so NI would have to cap him once more to formally tie him. However, as he has now taken a competitive cap for them, he'd have to sit out international football at all levels for three years before he could switch to us. So I'd say it's safe enough to say he'll be staying with the North.


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Something I didn't know until recently was that if you play a competitive underage game after you turned 21, that also ties you to that country. It's why Conor Gallagher cannot play for Ireland now, he played in an U21 game after his 21st birthday, which ties him to England.
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Something I didn't know until recently was that if you play a competitive underage game after you turned 21, that also ties you to that country. It's why Conor Gallagher cannot play for Ireland now, he played in an U21 game after his 21st birthday, which ties him to England.
I thought that only applied to senior international fixtures?
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Good wins for the U/15 and U/16 teams yesterday. 7 Shamrock Rovers players in the U/15 Squad. Also John Morlings son playing with u/16s. Most of the players are playing with LOI Clubs. Are DDSL losing its grip on the underage set up.
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Something I didn't know until recently was that if you play a competitive underage game after you turned 21, that also ties you to that country. It's why Conor Gallagher cannot play for Ireland now, he played in an U21 game after his 21st birthday, which ties him to England.
I thought that only applied to senior international fixtures?

Yeah, I'm not 100% on this as, and we mentioned this before, the rules talk about "A" Internationals, whatever that means.
Does it mean Seniors, or is U21's also "A"?

In our case, Conor Noss turns 21 this Jan and we have U21 matches after that and he's likely to be still in the squad, so should come clear then.
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Originally posted by 10 Box 10 Box wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Something I didn't know until recently was that if you play a competitive underage game after you turned 21, that also ties you to that country. It's why Conor Gallagher cannot play for Ireland now, he played in an U21 game after his 21st birthday, which ties him to England.
I thought that only applied to senior international fixtures?
Saw it in the 42's newsletter last week


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I cant see Fifa's definition of an A International anywhere.

They dont make their rules clear cut or easy to understand, do they?

Heres an interesting one I came across while looking for an answer,

It should be noted that there is an exception underpinned by the principle of legal certainty, whereby the age limit of 21 does not apply to players who played their last match for their old national team prior to September 18, 2020, when the new rules were introduced. This exception explains why Aymeric Laporte, who played for France Under-21s at the age of 21 in 2016.

So IF Obafemi had a Nigerian passport prior to playing for us in 2018, he can still switch to Nigeria at any stage.

..and given that example of Leporte there saying he played for Frances u21s, I'm guessing an A International is regarded as any competitive game at any age level?


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Another know the situation with Darragh Burns for Pats?

Looks an incredible talent at just 19, but he's been with NI in the youth ranks.  

He's a Dub as they come, but not sure what the story is. 

Is his heart with Ireland or NI?


“Darragh is happy. He’s in with the North U17 squad,” says St. Patrick’s Athletic director of football Ger O’Brien.

Darragh Burns initially played for Bohemians U15s before moving to the Inchicore club. At the time, both St. Pats and coaches from the Dublin schoolboys league contacted the FAI about the ability of the technical midfielder and recommended his inclusion. He was not selected.

“His Dad is from Northern Ireland, he just wasn’t getting called up,” O’Brien explains.

Then an invite to link up with the Northern Ireland U17s was extended and accepted.

Days after his impressive involvement with Northern Ireland, Burns was also invited into the Republic of Ireland U17s squad. He made his debut off the bench against Turkey in a friendly at Tallaght Stadium and grabbed a goal and an assist a week later.

In October, he helped Northern Ireland Euro qualify for the Elite Stages, scoring twice against San Marino.

Then a choice had to be made, the player opted to continue with Northern Ireland.

As O'Brien details, there are implications to this.

He played in a UEFA tournament with the North. Once you play a competitive game you can only make one change. Darragh has played a competitive game. He can only make one change now. He can’t go to Ireland now and then go back to the North.

That’s at any level. Look, Darragh is happy. He’s in the North squad. In fairness to Colin O’Brien, he came and met him. I let Colin explain his thinking for his plans for him, Darragh went away and decided he wanted to go North.



That's a real shame about Darragh Burns. Such an exciting footballer who could have been excellent for Ireland in a few years if his career continues to excel.  A real pity his heart isn't with Ireland. 


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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

...the rules talk about "A" Internationals, whatever that means.
Does it mean Seniors, or is U21's also "A"?

The term 'A' Internationals refers to Senior internationals only i.e. the highest level, not under-age.

It was used to distinguish such matches from the old 'B' Internationals - remember them?

More generally, FIFA have published an Explainer on Eligibility, which takes in the latest amendments to the Rules:
https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/ccab990abf45fcf6/original/ro8mje8vw98yp3rvfbmi-pdf.pdf

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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Something I didn't know until recently was that if you play a competitive underage game after you turned 21, that also ties you to that country. It's why Conor Gallagher cannot play for Ireland now, he played in an U21 game after his 21st birthday, which ties him to England.

That's not quite correct. Playing under 21 after your 21st birthday only ties you if you didn't hold the nationality of the country you want to switch to when you won your first competitive underage cap.

So - Conor Gallagher almost certainly didn't have Irish citizenship when he won his first underage England cap, so playing for their under 21s after his 21st birthday almost certainly ties him to them and he now can't play for us.

However Conor Coventry, being English born, would have had British citizenship when he won his first Irish underage cap. So him playing for our Under 21s after his 21st birthday doesn't tie him to us and he could still theoretically play for England.


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Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

I cant see Fifa's definition of an A International anywhere.

They dont make their rules clear cut or easy to understand, do they?

Heres an interesting one I came across while looking for an answer,

It should be noted that there is an exception underpinned by the principle of legal certainty, whereby the age limit of 21 does not apply to players who played their last match for their old national team prior to September 18, 2020, when the new rules were introduced. This exception explains why Aymeric Laporte, who played for France Under-21s at the age of 21 in 2016.

So IF Obafemi had a Nigerian passport prior to playing for us in 2018, he can still switch to Nigeria at any stage.

..and given that example of Leporte there saying he played for Frances u21s, I'm guessing an A International is regarded as any competitive game at any age level?

This isn't quite correct either.

Firstly, an A international is a senior international, that bit is clear enough.

Also, Obafemi isn't tied to us anyway because he was under 21 when he played for us, so the Laporte thing isn't applicable to him. Even if he didn't have a Nigerian passport back then he could switch to them after November if he wants to, unless we play him before then.


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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

I cant see Fifa's definition of an A International anywhere.

They dont make their rules clear cut or easy to understand, do they?

Heres an interesting one I came across while looking for an answer,

It should be noted that there is an exception underpinned by the principle of legal certainty, whereby the age limit of 21 does not apply to players who played their last match for their old national team prior to September 18, 2020, when the new rules were introduced. This exception explains why Aymeric Laporte, who played for France Under-21s at the age of 21 in 2016.

So IF Obafemi had a Nigerian passport prior to playing for us in 2018, he can still switch to Nigeria at any stage.

..and given that example of Leporte there saying he played for Frances u21s, I'm guessing an A International is regarded as any competitive game at any age level?

This isn't quite correct either.

Firstly, an A international is a senior international, that bit is clear enough.

Also, Obafemi isn't tied to us anyway because he was under 21 when he played for us, so the Laporte thing isn't applicable to him. Even if he didn't have a Nigerian passport back then he could switch to them after November if he wants to, unless we play him before then.


The more I look at the rules, the more confused I get. I give up LOL


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