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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

NI gave 1st caps to Ethan Galbraith, Ciaron Brown, and Alfie McAlmont in their friendly against Luxembourg (Brown and McAlmont are English-born). McAlmont seems to be particularly well regarded, perhaps one we've missed out on.

All still technically eligible obviously. 

No reason for the FAI not to investigate.  NI have ROI U21 cap Callum Morris in their current squad. As their recent attempt to recruit the likes of Jimmy Dunne and Michael O'Connor shows, they've no qualms with going after players who came through our systems. 

As regards those three players:

- Galbraith was never likely to be an option for us, as discussed previously above. 

- Ciaron Brown presumably may have been open to us, if his first name is any indication of family background.  Remains eligible at U21 level. 

- Anyone know what Yorkshire-born McAlmont's link to Ireland is?  He does look promising.  Remains eligible at U19 level. Might be worth Kenny having a look.


As for the IFA attempting to recuit Jimmy Dunne, Michael O'Neill was spoken to by Jimmy's agent who was an ex NI international and informed of his eligibility and was told that Jimmy would be interested in having a conversation with him, after they had met for coffee, the agent then leaked the info to the press, to put pressure on the FAI to call him up and it worked so fair play to his agent.

As for Michael O'Connor, it was he who contacted the IFA and declared he was eligible and wanted to switch, the IFA had no idea he was even eligible, i believe all his documentation was gathered and he was then called up to an FAI training camp in the meantime and he then asked for the paperwork to be withdrawn.

Whether either player had ever any intention to switch i have my doubts, i think both were using the IFA to put pressure on the FAI to pick them and good luck to the both of them. Personally i would prefer NI didn't speak to any player who has played for the ROI at any level.

Brown's mother is from Belfast according to reports and comes from an Irish background, so their maybe a chance with him, although i have my doubts as he informed the IFA of his eligibility and not the FAI.

As i have posted before you have no chance with McAlmont he has been with NI since he was 14, his family are from a unionist background, he has openly said for many years that it is his dream to play for NI.
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Thanks for that info re Brown and McAlmont.  

I'm not aware of the circumstances of O'Connor being picked for NI.  However I had thought that Dunne was approached by McPhee, a coach on O'Neill's staff, who was also a coach at Hearts when Dunne was playing well there. 
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Some nonsense in this thread by the usual suspects.

Jimmy Dunne has only played 13 times in 9 and a half months, 6 of those in a very leaky Sunderland defence, there is absolutely no chance he's going to be starting in a competitive match anytime soon thus remains eligible for either National side whether he sits on the bench or not. Time is on his side however.

And there's the usual crap of guesswork that he's eligible because of his name regarding Ciaron Brown - His nan and his mother's from Belfast, he's born in England. There's zero evidence that he's actually eligible!! 
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Some nonsense in this thread by the usual suspects.

Jimmy Dunne has only played 13 times in 9 and a half months, 6 of those in a very leaky Sunderland defence, there is absolutely no chance he's going to be starting in a competitive match anytime soon thus remains eligible for either National side whether he sits on the bench or not. Time is on his side however.

And there's the usual crap of guesswork that he's eligible because of his name regarding Ciaron Brown - His nan and his mother's from Belfast, he's born in England. There's zero evidence that he's actually eligible!! 

If his grandmother and his mother are from Belfast, then there's a 100% chance he's "actually eligible"? LOL
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

I don't think Lavery is any more likely to make it at the top level than someone like Glen McAuley to be honest, and McAuley couldn't even make our under 19s this year, let alone the senior team. 

Time will tell but what ive seen of Lavery I think he will have a great career 
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Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

I don't think Lavery is any more likely to make it at the top level than someone like Glen McAuley to be honest, and McAuley couldn't even make our under 19s this year, let alone the senior team. 

Time will tell but what ive seen of Lavery I think he will have a great career 

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Going back (sorry) to the whole Ryan Johansson thing. I noticed last night Hadergonaj from Huddersfield played for Kosovo, despite having a whole host of underage caps and even a full cap (in a friendly) for Switzerland.

I checked his wiki and it says he received his Kosovan passport in May of this year, so never held one while playing for Switzerland.


I really can't see why Johansson cannot play for us with recent similar precedents such as this.


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Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

Going back (sorry) to the whole Ryan Johansson thing. I noticed last night Hadergonaj from Huddersfield played for Kosovo, despite having a whole host of underage caps and even a full cap (in a friendly) for Switzerland.

I checked his wiki and it says he received his Kosovan passport in May of this year, so never held one while playing for Switzerland.


I really can't see why Johansson cannot play for us with recent similar precedents such as this.
Kosovo is a completely different story as far as I know since they only joined FIFA recently there’s still a bit of leeway for players to join
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Kosovo is entirely different as it is a new FIFA nation and they allowed any eligible player the option to switch to them. The lad who scored in the first minute last night, Berisha, has twenty caps for Norway. 
If the Basques, for example, became an independent nation, at least in footballing terms,  the likes of Lorentz and the entire Bilbao team would become eligible; no matter how many caps they may have for Spain.
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I know of Kosovo's 'special' status but pretty sure it wouldnt apply in this case - he got caps for Switzerland after he was able to switch. Players cannot continue to switch for the rest of their careers I would think - otherwise Shaqiri and Xhaka will probably do so in their mid 30s.

Edit: You can tell i'm bored in work - here's an example: 


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Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

I know of Kosovo's 'special' status but pretty sure it wouldnt apply in this case - he got caps for Switzerland after he was able to switch. Players cannot continue to switch for the rest of their careers I would think - otherwise Shaqiri and Xhaka will probably do so in their mid 30s.

Edit: You can tell i'm bored in work - here's an example: 

The answer to your own question is in your own URL you provided.

The cap he gained for Switzerland post-Kosovan eligibility was a friendly cap against Belarus therefore never fully tied himself to the Swiss.
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Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

I know of Kosovo's 'special' status but pretty sure it wouldnt apply in this case - he got caps for Switzerland after he was able to switch. Players cannot continue to switch for the rest of their careers I would think - otherwise Shaqiri and Xhaka will probably do so in their mid 30s.

Edit: You can tell i'm bored in work - here's an example: 
He was only capped in a friendly after being able to switch, Kosovo’s status meant he went back to scratch as far as eligibility was concerned and had his switch still available.
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It’s pretty maddening when you see the Brazilian lads turning out for Bulgaria last night and even China capping a naturalized Brazilian this week. The rules are absurd, and we always seem to come out on the wrong side of them. Even in our efforts to cap underage prospects who have grown up in Ireland from an early age (Maxi Kouogan at Waterford being at example)
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

I know of Kosovo's 'special' status but pretty sure it wouldnt apply in this case - he got caps for Switzerland after he was able to switch. Players cannot continue to switch for the rest of their careers I would think - otherwise Shaqiri and Xhaka will probably do so in their mid 30s.

Edit: You can tell i'm bored in work - here's an example: 
He was only capped in a friendly after being able to switch, Kosovo’s status meant he went back to scratch as far as eligibility was concerned and had his switch still available.
He was still getting u21 caps in 2016, though...from the decision to allow the other players to switch it appears the 'magic' date was 13 May 2016 "In particular, the Bureau of the Players' Status Committee wished to emphasise that the players concerned had not represented their previous association after 13 May 2016, the date of admission of the FFK to FIFA. In other words, they never chose to play for their previous association when they had the opportunity to choose to play for the representative teams of the FFK. The Bureau of the Players’ Status Committee indicated that this was a key element in its decision on the matter."

Either way, im not sure FIFAs position holds up to scrutiny if challenged properly by the FAI.


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So he switched from playing u-21, and one senior friendly, to Kosovo. I am struggling to understand why you are struggling! It is consistent with Rice and Grealish, for example.
If his Swiss cap was in a competitive game he couldn’t have switched.
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I'm also confused to why it's confusing LOL

He played a bunch of U21 games with the Swiss
Kosovo became a member state
He played a friendly game for the Swiss which makes him still eligible for either nation 
He decided to get a Kosovan passport
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

So he switched from playing u-21, and one senior friendly, to Kosovo. I am struggling to understand why you are struggling! It is consistent with Rice and Grealish, for example.
If his Swiss cap was in a competitive game he couldn’t have switched.

Because the above thing i quoted stated the decision had to be made by May 2016. Lets completely ignore the senior cap as i agree its irrelevant.

He was still playing competitive u21 games in October 2016. To me that makes him ineligible to switch under the "Kosovo rule". Therefore, in my mind he has switched in the normal sense - in which case it shouldnt have been allowed to happen as he didnt have a Kosovan passport at the time. 


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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I'm also confused to why it's confusing LOL

He played a bunch of U21 games with the Swiss
Kosovo became a member state
He continued to play u21 competitive games for the Swiss after the window to switch closed
He played a friendly game for the Swiss which makes him still eligible for either nation 
He decided to get a Kosovan passport

The above is my main argument. Could be wrong though!
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