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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

There's a promising youngster playing for West Ham who is eligible for The EIRE.  Declan Rice.  Meant to be good.  Has anyone looked into it?
Haven't heard of him but how does he qualify for us? We could make sh*t jokes about his surname.
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Originally posted by Donegalman Donegalman wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

There's a promising youngster playing for West Ham who is eligible for The EIRE.  Declan Rice.  Meant to be good.  Has anyone looked into it?
Haven't heard of him but how does he qualify for us? We could make sh*t jokes about his surname.

Or stalk his Instagram for every ‘like’ he makes. We’ve ploughed through every Social Media he uses 
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Originally posted by Green rebel Green rebel wrote:

I was recently recently told marcus browne with west ham on loan at Oxford is eligible to play for us,does anyone know if this is true,looks a fine a player .

Where did this rumour come from GR? Haven’t seen anything about it elsewhere. Fine player
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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

[QUOTE=Green rebel]I was recently recently told marcus browne with west ham on loan at Oxford is eligible to play for us,does anyone know if this is true,looks a fine a player .

Where did this rumour come from GR? Haven’t seen anything about it elsewhere. Fine player
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His older brother played with Sunrab in London at school boys level and it was mentioned to me at the time he had irish connections with his grandparents,I'm still trying to find out is he a generation out,normally I could be told there's lads with irish connections but with no evidence,its the spelling of his surname makes me believe there's some truth and the Sunrab coach that told me is normally spot on.A bit of a messer when he was younger but who wasn't and has been very unlucky with injuries,can't believe he has never looked at by England at any underage level.]
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West Ham are after a Scottish born lad playing at Bristol Rovers called Michael Kelly, there's surely a link there. He's a full back and has played under age football for the jocks up to U-17.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-west-ham-open-talks-to-sign-full-back/


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Originally posted by Fanny MaGee Fanny MaGee wrote:

West Ham are after a Scottish born lad playing at Bristol Rovers called Michael Kelly, there's surely a link there. He's a full back and has played under age football for the jocks up to U-17.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-west-ham-open-talks-to-sign-full-back/

What's his connection to Ireland ?
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

The uncertainty in relation to Kearns was only removed after the CAS decision. Before that, there was clearly an arguable case that he was not eligible.


There really wasn't. That's like saying that, say, Ciaran Clark's eligibility would be "arguable" simply if someone raised a doubt over it. He's eligible under article 5, as he's an Irish national from birth, just like Kearns, who is also eligible under article 5, as he's an Irish national from birth. 

Kearns' eligibility was even formally approved by FIFA's Players' Status Committee, as he made a formal switch of association, so what was "arguable" about it? Just because someone might have attempted to erroneously argue against it based on an evidently incorrect interpretation, it doesn't actually mean it was actually arguable. It was crazy for the IFA to bring the case and crazy for King & Gowdy to take it on (although they did probably make a quare buck out of it). 

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

...Danny, who tells us he is a lawyer...

I didn't tell you I was a lawyer. I don't practice. I simply clarified that I had a law degree because you seemed to think I was unfamiliar with the notion of different approaches to the interpretation of laws.

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

I imagine the IFA would disagree strongly with your view that the concepts of national territory and territory governed by the association should be aligned as the same thing.


That's not what I said. Clearly, in the case of the FAI, the administrative territory of the association does not align with the territory over which Irish nationality law applies, as the administrative territory of the FAI is 26 counties, while Irish nationality law applies over 32 counties. 

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

This is all the more so when, in the period the rules were drafted, NI born players generally (if at all?) did not play for ROI (on grounds arising out of their birth place at least).


When are you referring to when to talk of "the period the rules were drafted"? 1962, 2004 or 2008? Players from the north like Mark McKeever, Ger Doherty and Ger Crossley were playing for the FAI before even the Good Friday Agreement took effect.

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

So, the IFA might ask, against the status quo of that backdrop, why would a person then get eligibility because their grandparent was born in NI?


Because that person would be an Irish national by descent and Irish nationality is the nationality of the FAI. The intended purpose of the introduction of the present-day article 7 conditions was to prevent countries naturalising players for footballing purposes. This is evident if you read the Kearns case or FIFA's Circular no. 901. It wasn't to prevent players who were nationals by parental or grand-parental descent. These players have a "clear connection".

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

(ii) re distinguishing with U21 - all I'm saying is the penalty for sailing close to the wind at U21 is many times less than at senior level.  
So maybe - I don't know - maybe the FAI had that in mind with Barton and sought to normalise things that way.  Maybe it hasn't occurred to them at all.


What are you talking about? What do you mean that the FAI might have "sought to normalise things" with Barton? The idea that the FAI might have been happy to risk punishment and reputational damage by playing an ineligible player in four European Under-21 Championship qualifiers, just because the punishment would be less severe than if it were at senior level, is ludicrous. Why would they even do that?  

Quote Btw: asking their disciplinary unit about it obviously isn't conclusive of anything. You, as a legally trained person must know that. That unit is not a binding authority on anything - it can only offer a view.  Just like you.  And just like me. And just like Terri.


The DCU would have intimate knowledge of our players' eligibility and would be in direct communication with FIFA and be knowledgeable of their processes. Are you suggesting that FIFA have no process for checking and verifying the eligibility of international players, unless a player goes through a formal switch?

Whose word would you regard as binding then? FIFA's? Sure you evidently refuse to accept that even their word was binding in the Kearns' case when you talk of his eligibility having been "arguable" until CAS re-clarified matters for the IFA. 

An FAI confirmation would certainly confirm that the idea that Terri had been peddling at one point - that the FAI supposedly learned from the Kearns judgment that players such as Barton weren't actually eligible - is nonsense.

Anyhow, I got an email back from the FAI's DCU today, but it didn't go into specific details on Barton (for confidentiality reasons, I presume). They said: "Unfortunately we can’t go into the specific detail surrounding individual players applications for a change of Association."

This is interesting, because I hadn't mentioned anything about a switch of association in the email I had sent them, so is it to imply that Barton underwent a formal switch? I've emailed back to see if I can get clarification on that, but if it is the case he had a switch request approved by FIFA's Players' Status Committee, then that ought to be the final nail in the coffin for your conspiracy theory.


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Not sure if it has been mentioned but is Matt O'Riley eligible? Plays for Fulham U23s, drawing interest from Stuttgart, RB Leipzig and Borussia Dortmund.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Stimpy Stimpy wrote:

Not sure if it has been mentioned but is Matt O'Riley eligible? Plays for Fulham U23s, drawing interest from Stuttgart, RB Leipzig and Borussia Dortmund.
 
 
 

What's his connection to Ireland ?
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Stimpy Stimpy wrote:

Not sure if it has been mentioned but is Matt O'Riley eligible? Plays for Fulham U23s, drawing interest from Stuttgart, RB Leipzig and Borussia Dortmund.
 
 
 

What's his connection to Ireland ?


his middle name Matthew Sean O'Riley
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'O'Riley is an England youth international and also eligible to represent both Denmark and Norway' per wiki
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Originally posted by daveyc daveyc wrote:

'O'Riley is an England youth international and also eligible to represent both Denmark and Norway' per wiki

ahh the Danish O'Riley's, would be cousins of the Delaneys
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

No.

Source?

Why do you need a source ffs other than instigating another pointless argument between the 2 of you.

He's played for England at every underage level and he's as Scouse as The Beatles. That's about it

Wouldn't John, Paul and George all have been eligible? 
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

No.

Source?

Why do you need a source ffs other than instigating another pointless argument between the 2 of you.

He's played for England at every underage level and he's as Scouse as The Beatles. That's about it

Wouldn't John, Paul and George all have been eligible? 

I was thinking that myself LOL
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