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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

What an absolute hypocrite Michael O'Neill is.
Really?

1. (Assuming he's eligible*), O'Connor has a clear connection with NI via his granny;

2. O'Neill has never denied the right of NI-born players to represent the FAI under FIFA's rules. Rather he expressed concern that the FAI was persuading youngsters still in their teens, who had already represented the IFA at under-age level, to switch to the FAI, thereby tying them permanently before they knew how their football career might pan out. 

For since the FAI has obviously a much bigger player pool than the IFA, it is always possible that a player who turns out not to be good enough to represent ROI at senior level might subsequently find that he could have got a chance with NI.

A perfect example is Michael McGovern. He was training with ROI's youth squad, when Brian Kerr advised him that there was too much competition for him to have much chance of making it with them, so he should try NI instead.

And as it turns out, he got a chance to play at Euro2016, where his performances got him a big contract at Norwich City, with career and life-changing consequences. Then again, Brian Kerr always had a sight more integrity than eg Noel King.

Whereas with Michael O'Connor, he'll be 21 next birthday, he's already had a good look at the ROI set-up, and as other posters here have noted, he's not really giving anything up by turning his back on ROI.


* - Still not sure myself how he's eligible, mind, unless as well as his granny, he also qualifies for a UK passport.


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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Michael O'Connor from Dundalk declares for NI: https://www.balls.ie/football/michael-oconnor-402269 ;

Surprising move imv.  Is this the first player born and raised in ROI to switch to NI?  
He was at Harps for half of last season. Terrible attitude it seemed. He’s young still but wasn’t overly impressed.
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Michael O'Connor from Dundalk declares for NI: https://www.balls.ie/football/michael-oconnor-402269 ;

Surprising move imv.  Is this the first player born and raised in ROI to switch to NI?  

Dale Gorman and Darren Meenan have both played for them underage. I'm surprised the north haven't tried this more, there must be a huge amount of guys with either parents or grandparents from the 6 counties.
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

What an absolute hypocrite Michael O'Neill is.
Really?

1. (Assuming he's eligible*), O'Connor has a clear connection with NI via his granny;

2. O'Neill has never denied the right of NI-born players to represent the FAI under FIFA's rules. Rather he expressed concern that the FAI was persuading youngsters still in their teens, who had already represented the IFA at under-age level, to switch to the FAI, thereby tying them permanently before they knew how their football career might pan out. 

For since the FAI has obviously a much bigger player pool than the IFA, it is always possible that a player who turns out not to be good enough to represent ROI at senior level might subsequently find that he could have got a chance with NI.

A perfect example is Michael McGovern. He was training with ROI's youth squad, when Brian Kerr advised him that there was too much competition for him to have much chance of making it with them, so he should try NI instead.

And as it turns out, he got a chance to play at Euro2016, where his performances got him a big contract at Norwich City, with career and life-changing consequences. Then again, Brian Kerr always had a sight more integrity than eg Noel King.

Whereas with Michael O'Connor, he'll be 21 next birthday, he's already had a good look at the ROI set-up, and as other posters here have noted, he's not really giving anything up by turning his back on ROI.


* - Still not sure myself how he's eligible, mind, unless as well as his granny, he also qualifies for a UK passport.

The insinuation of point 1 being that the likes of McClean/Gibson/Wilson etc have no such "genuine link" to the ROI. You're some clown LOL
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Interesting how O'Connor words his eligibility. Says his grandmother is from Dundalk but was born in Belfast. I wonder was her family one of the hundreds that were burned out of their homes by Loyalists and had to flee across the border to Dundalk? Somewhat ironic that her grandson then ends up playing for Linfield and NI if that is the case....
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Interesting how O'Connor words his eligibility. Says his grandmother is from Dundalk but was born in Belfast. I wonder was her family one of the hundreds that were burned out of their homes by Loyalists and had to flee across the border to Dundalk? Somewhat ironic that her grandson then ends up playing for Linfield and NI if that is the case....
how can anyone from Ireland play for that shower? Mind boggling .
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Originally posted by Crap senior Crap senior wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Interesting how O'Connor words his eligibility. Says his grandmother is from Dundalk but was born in Belfast. I wonder was her family one of the hundreds that were burned out of their homes by Loyalists and had to flee across the border to Dundalk? Somewhat ironic that her grandson then ends up playing for Linfield and NI if that is the case....
how can anyone from Ireland play for that shower? Mind boggling .


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I don't know anything about the circumstances where is grandmother came to Dundalk from Belfast. However, I think ye may be reading into it far too much. 

I think it is very positive that a young lad from Dundalk can feel comfortable enough to line out for NI. It shows how far they have progressed.

Don't blame him for aiming to play international football. No disrespect to NI in saying this, but he must feel that he isn't good enough or will never have the opportunity with us. 
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Oh no, we’ve missed out on a Linfield player
How will we get over this blow 


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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

What an absolute hypocrite Michael O'Neill is.
Really?

1. (Assuming he's eligible*), O'Connor has a clear connection with NI via his granny;
The insinuation of point 1 being that the likes of McClean/Gibson/Wilson etc have no such "genuine link" to the ROI. You're some clown LOL
If that's what you want to infer, that's up to you.

But I was highlighting the granny link to demonstrate his connection to NI, hence MO'N's right to consider him. 

Which is no different from eg Declan Rice. You know, ancestry from ROI and all that, without whom he wouldn't be entitled to opt for the FAI.

And talking of Rice, there is a further significance. That is, under FIFA rules, anyone with British nationality is entitled to represent any of the four British Associations.

However, the four Associations have agreed between them that none shall pick such a player unless he also has a connection, such as birthplace, ancestry or residence etc.

It's called principle...


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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

What an absolute hypocrite Michael O'Neill is.
Really?

1. (Assuming he's eligible*), O'Connor has a clear connection with NI via his granny;
The insinuation of point 1 being that the likes of McClean/Gibson/Wilson etc have no such "genuine link" to the ROI. You're some clown LOL
If that's what you want to infer, that's up to you.

But I was highlighting the granny link to demonstrate his connection to NI, hence MO'N's right to consider him. 

Which is no different from eg Declan Rice. You know, ancestry from ROI and all that, without whom he wouldn't be entitled to opt for the FAI.

And talking of Rice, there is a further significance. That is, under FIFA rules, anyone with British nationality is entitled to represent any of the four British Associations.

However, the four Associations have agreed between them that none shall pick such a player unless he also has a connection, such as birthplace, ancestry or residence etc.

It's called principle...

No one is questioning O'Connors eligibility; they're merely pointing out the gross hypocrisy of O'Neill who has incessantly played the victim while at the same time engaging in exactly the same type of behaviour that he bemoans...

That Rice comparison is right out of the O'Neill playbook too; it's not really accurate though, is it? Rice's grandparents were Irish people from Ireland, and his father also regards himself as Irish. There is, therefore, a strong link. O'Connors granny may have been born in Belfast, but I'd wager that neither her nor her kids regard themselves as Northern Irish/British in any way. O'Connor's eligibility is thus more technical, whereas Rice's is substantively material. If you're looking for a genuine "like-for-like" example, it would be more along the lines of Curtis Davies, who's grandmother was born in Ireland but did not regard herself as Irish.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

No one is questioning O'Connors eligibility; they're merely pointing out the gross hypocrisy of O'Neill who has incessantly played the victim while at the same time engaging in exactly the same type of behaviour that he bemoans...
MO'N has never denied the right of the FAI to cap NI-born players who have no ROI parents/grandparents.

So it would only be hypocrisy were he instead to persuade some 17 y.o., who had already played youth football for ROI, to throw his hand in with NI, thereby preventing any possibility of a better/preferable option in future.

But that clearly doesn't apply to O'Connor, since he is old/experienced enough to know what he's doing and as your fellow fans have noted, nowhere near getting capped by ROI.

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

That Rice comparison is right out of the O'Neill playbook too; it's not really accurate though, is it? Rice's grandparents were Irish people from Ireland, and his father also regards himself as Irish. There is, therefore, a strong link. O'Connors granny may have been born in Belfast, but I'd wager that neither her nor her kids regard themselves as Northern Irish/British in any way. O'Connor's eligibility is thus more technical, whereas Rice's is substantively material. If you're looking for a genuine "like-for-like" example, it would be more along the lines of Curtis Davies, who's grandmother was born in Ireland but did not regard herself as Irish.
And I'm the one who gets criticised for pointing out that some people may be "more Irish" than others?

You couldn't make it up!

Except that you just have. LOL

Meanwhile, how do you know what O'Connor feels, never mind his granny? Like most young people, he is probably not really concerned with politics, but just wants to play football.

Which means your real problem is that while you obviously harbour a hatred for all things Norn Iron, there are many more people from a Nationalist background who don't share that hatred, and are quite prepared to play for NI.

And enjoy it!




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This fella wasnt good enough for Dundalk, Rovers or Finn Harps.

Has 4 league goals this season in the Irish League.

I don't think we will miss him!

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Originally posted by Twoinarow Twoinarow wrote:

This fella wasnt good enough for Dundalk, Rovers or Finn Harps.

Has 4 league goals this season in the Irish League.

I don't think we will miss him!



In fairness to Mikey, there's some ability there, he's just a complete head the ball with a bad attitude.
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Originally posted by Tony Cousins Tony Cousins wrote:

Originally posted by Twoinarow Twoinarow wrote:

This fella wasnt good enough for Dundalk, Rovers or Finn Harps.

Has 4 league goals this season in the Irish League.

I don't think we will miss him!



In fairness to Mikey, there's some ability there, he's just a complete head the ball with a bad attitude.
That certainly seems to be the consensus.

But Ian Baraclough is the manager of NI's U-21's. Might it be that he still has contacts in the LOI from his time at Sligo Rovers and so knows a bit about the player?

If so, maybe O'Neill wants IB to try O'Connor out in the U-21's to see if he can "fix" him, so that he might eventually channel his ability more productively as he grows up?

I'm kinda clutching at straws here, but NI can't afford to discard anyone prematurely and besides, Kyle Lafferty was becoming a (bad) joke for NI when O'Neill took over for instance. 

But for a period of two or three years he managed to get some great performances out of the big galoot, even if he does look to be regressing once more.

Maybe Mental Mickey will be similarly "saveable"?
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Maybe Mental Mickey will be similarly "saveable"?

I hope so as I have some good memories of him in the hoops, and he's still young enough to grow up.
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This apparent agreement (or relunctance by MON) that we don't approach players born in the six counties has to end.  We are having the Mickey (O'Connor) taken out of us, quite literally.  

Near the top of on Mick and Stephen Kenny's list should be sit down with Conor Hazard and Shayne Lavery and tell them we want them involved and they have a good chance of senior football with us.

Same goes for the next George Saville, Peacock Farrell, Jamal Lewis or Conor Washington - we should at least give these lads the option of declaring for us.  Not just stand aside with our hands in the air.
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

This apparent agreement (or relunctance by MON) that we don't approach players born in the six counties has to end.  We are having the Mickey (O'Connor) taken out of us, quite literally.  

Near the top of on Mick and Stephen Kenny's list should be sit down with Conor Hazard and Shayne Lavery and tell them we want them involved and they have a good chance of senior football with us.

Same goes for the next George Saville, Peacock Farrell, Jamal Lewis or Conor Washington - we should at least give these lads the option of declaring for us.  Not just stand aside with our hands in the air.
 
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