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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Even yesterday, the Nordies are capping Shayne Lavery, a huge prospect at Everton; Peacock O'Farrell, Leeds' first choice keeper now and young; and Paul Smyth, the young, promising QPR winger.  

All these lads are eligible for us, and there is nothing to say that they'd like to represent us if we made some sort of an effort, particularly Lavery and Smyth who've both made positive soundings. 

And we seem to have made little or no positive effort to get these obvious talents on board, whereas Michael O'Neill is clearly on to them all the time, praising them in the media etc., in the same way Coleman was about the Welsh caps, or Strachen was about Ollie Burke. 


It interesting you mention the FAI not making an effort in approaching players, to be honest no fans of any association know what really goes on behind the scenes, case in point being Bailey Peacock-Farrell hopefully our (NI) future number one confiming today that the FAI did approach him but he turned them down.

Quote While Peacock-Farrell's club form earned him a call-up for Northern Ireland's tour of Central America, Michael O'Neill's interest was sparked a number of years ago.

The 21-year-old, who qualifies for Northern Ireland through his grandparents who hail from Enniskillen, remembers a conversation he had with the international boss at a team hotel in Manchester two years ago.

"England had called me up but I had an operation booked on a wrist injury. So nothing came from that. The Republic of Ireland were also interested but it wasn't the route I wanted to go down," he added.

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Indeed, but the difference was that, NI, like Wales and England, but unlike us, had their head man get in touch personally and invest some time and effort in the fella, even if he wasn't going to get a senior call-up immediately, or necessarily ever.   That's why he's interested and apparently committed to NI. 

It seems very unlikely MON or RK got in touch with him.  Maybe if they did, he would have reached a different conclusion, as all things being equal, ROI is objectively a better option that NI, despite NI's relatively recent (and rare) high-ish position in the rankings. 

I'd love to see our MON or RK test that commitment.

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"Northern Ireland made me feel very welcome from day one. They were watching me playing on a regular basis, even for the U23s.

https://get.convrse.media/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.belfastlive.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2Ffootball-news%2Fbailey-peacock-farrell-living-dream-14729242&cre=bottom&cip=43" style="background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; border-width: 0px; border-style: initial; font-size: 16px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(20, 20, 20); font-family: "Open Sans", sans-serif; float: left;">

"Michael actually called me down about two years ago to a Northern Ireland training camp in Manchester. We spoke at the hotel and told me there was an opportunity for me.


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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Indeed, but the difference was that, NI, like Wales and England, but unlike us, had their head man get in touch personally and invest some time and effort in the fella, even if he wasn't going to get a senior call-up immediately, or necessarily ever.   That's why he's interested and apparently committed to NI. 

It seems very unlikely MON or RK got in touch with him.  Maybe if they did, he would have reached a different conclusion, as all things being equal, ROI is objectively a better option that NI, despite NI's relatively recent (and rare) high-ish position in the rankings. 

I'd love to see our MON or RK test that commitment.

The article continues:

"Northern Ireland made me feel very welcome from day one. They were watching me playing on a regular basis, even for the U23s.

https://get.convrse.media/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.belfastlive.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2Ffootball-news%2Fbailey-peacock-farrell-living-dream-14729242&cre=bottom&cip=43" style="background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; border-width: 0px; border-style: initial; font-size: 16px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(20, 20, 20); font-family: "Open Sans", sans-serif; float: left;">

"Michael actually called me down about two years ago to a Northern Ireland training camp in Manchester. We spoke at the hotel and told me there was an opportunity for me.




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Originally posted by John Wick John Wick wrote:

Thought we had robbed some new up n comer with all the new  posts in this section....only to find we are talking about f**kin jack Grealish.Dead

For once, I agree with everything you have just said.
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Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

FFS not this again! 

HE DID NOT WANT TO PLAY FOR IRELAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SAID SO HIMSELF!!!!!!!!!!

PLAYED UNDERAGE FOR US BECAUSE HIS CLUBMATES DID!!!!!!!!

WANTS TO PLAY FOR ENGLAND!!!!!!!!?

Jesus, calm down. You seem to be living in an alternate universe in which everybody spends all their time talking about Reise Allassani 
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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

FFS not this again! 

HE DID NOT WANT TO PLAY FOR IRELAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SAID SO HIMSELF!!!!!!!!!!

PLAYED UNDERAGE FOR US BECAUSE HIS CLUBMATES DID!!!!!!!!

WANTS TO PLAY FOR ENGLAND!!!!!!!!?

Jesus, calm down. You seem to be living in an alternate universe in which everybody spends all their time talking about Reise Allassani 

And you, sir, strike me as someone who is overly relaxed about the whole Reise Allassani situation. Complacent. Nonchalent, even. That is the kind of laissez-faire attitude that led to the National Socialist Government in Germany in the 1930s.


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We put plenty of time in with Grealish and his family​and he turned his back on us. We put plenty of time in with Declan Rice and Josh Cullen and it's worked well. We cannot cap every young prospect and ultimately if a lad wants to play for us he will regardless of whether he plays for NI or England underage a la Ciaran Clark and Jimmy Mc. 
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Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

We put plenty of time in with Grealish and his family​and he turned his back on us. We put plenty of time in with Declan Rice and Josh Cullen and it's worked well. We cannot cap every young prospect and ultimately if a lad wants to play for us he will regardless of whether he plays for NI or England underage a la Ciaran Clark and Jimmy Mc. 

Exactly -

Capping every player just to ‘nab’ them before anyone else is not the way to go. You need to protect the integrity of the cap/shirt/team etc. I don’t care if other countries are doing so.

I don’t know everything that happens behind the scenes but we seem to be looking and scouting potential talent at some level.

I’d rather we spend the time looking at genuine prospects than just mass searching for anybody that may qualify and trying to get them to commit to us, give them one cap and then we leave it to the manager to sort out.

We need to find the right balance. 

Put it this way, we won’t lose anybody who really wants to play for the Republic.

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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

We put plenty of time in with Grealish and his family​and he turned his back on us. We put plenty of time in with Declan Rice and Josh Cullen and it's worked well. We cannot cap every young prospect and ultimately if a lad wants to play for us he will regardless of whether he plays for NI or England underage a la Ciaran Clark and Jimmy Mc. 

Exactly -

Capping every player just to ‘nab’ them before anyone else is not the way to go. You need to protect the integrity of the cap/shirt/team etc. I don’t care if other countries are doing so.

I don’t know everything that happens behind the scenes but we seem to be looking and scouting potential talent at some level.

I’d rather we spend the time looking at genuine prospects than just mass searching for anybody that may qualify and trying to get them to commit to us, give them one cap and then we leave it to the manager to sort out.

We need to find the right balance. 

Put it this way, we won’t lose anybody who really wants to play for the Republic.
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Spurs and Chelsea in for Grealish it seems now - that's the level of ability we're talking about with this lad. And we let him slip through our fingers through our mismanagement of the situation. Looks to have the potential to become the sort of player with the quality to make the difference between countries like ours making it to World Cups and European Championships (and perhaps doing something when we get there) and falling short.

Good news for Villa if a bidding war takes place given their parlous financial situation, however.
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Jack Grealish made up his own mind and is gone can we just forget about him.
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Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

Jack Grealish made up his own mind and is gone can we just forget about him.

Sure, but the point is that there are lessons to be learnt to try and prevent similar in the future.
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I see Bailey Peacock-Farrell is being linked with a move to Wolves.
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If his heart wasn't in it he probably would have retired from international football early. There really is no point in crying about spilt milk and there are absolutely no lessons to be learned either.
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Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

Jack Grealish made up his own mind and is gone can we just forget about him.
 
 
Excatly it was his decision his loss.
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Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

Jack Grealish made up his own mind and is gone can we just forget about him.

Sure, but the point is that there are lessons to be learnt to try and prevent similar in the future.
Jaysus, he didnt want to play for us in the end. Simple as. You can learn as many lessons as you want but it will do no good if someone doesnt want to play. Let it go, or if you must comment about him, use the thread about him in the ROW section.

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