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Bandwagon
Ray Houghton Joined: 07 Feb 2021 Location: Dublin Status: Online Points: 3331 |
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Ronan played u17 for England when he was 16 and then switched to us at u17 level and has represented us every other level since. Never went back to England, even when he was getting strong attention the season he made Wolves debut when he was 17. |
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Banjaxed
Liam Brady Joined: 21 Feb 2014 Status: Offline Points: 2965 |
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In fairness to Ronan, above is true. Suspicions lie more with players who play with England up to under 21, then change. At that point they know what way the wind is blowing.
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SC92
Liam Brady Joined: 08 Oct 2019 Status: Offline Points: 1011 |
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Nice purity test going on here on who we can class as irish ... that has no problematic suggestions whatsoever.
To the point of slating the likes of seemingly nice enough lads like Ronan and Coventry for having English accents geez.. they aren't taking the places of irish players they are irish (and english) the world isnt black and white. If they are in an ireland shirt it's on merit.
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9554 |
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If the "homegrown Irish players" were good enough, they'd get into the squad anyway. International football is not a charity giveaway, you choose the best options available to you.
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We're decent enough..
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kevin100
Ray Houghton Joined: 01 Jul 2020 Location: Mallow Status: Offline Points: 3380 |
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If the rules allow it then ultimately they can play for us. Lads are entitled to their opinion but Connor Ronan or Will Keane didn't make the rules. If they qualify and have Irish blood thats sufficient they aren't stealing positions as some lads put it they are entitled to declare and play for us!
Also Conor Coventry has been with Ireland all the way up despite having quite a reputation and a very pro English board too. I get the impression that he is the closest thing we have today to a Kilbane type in that the desire to play with us is close to bombproof. Strange including him with Cyrus Christie. Hotlips is bang on regarding wasting energy over Delap Barry Egan Riley etc no doubt. Of course there's so much depth in attacking positions for England that they may jump ship to us like Che Adams for Scotland or Antonio did for Jamaica let's say. Until it happens concentrate on the lads that are playing with us!
Edited by kevin100 - 01 Jul 2022 at 12:54pm |
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Eoink21
Liam Brady Joined: 30 Aug 2019 Status: Offline Points: 1206 |
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He has clearly stated that he plumped for Ireland and wanted always to stay with Ireland. How his career turned out up to now is irrelevant. Don't know why people entertain HH on this. He can't make his point without being disrespectful to the players and to the truth. If he said one day that only Irish born lads with Irish parents should play for Ireland and why he thought that and supported it with whatever facts he wanted then I would nearly appreciate his point of view more. Instead, all we get are these passive aggressive digs and slights of skepticism thrown at young lads that have the audacity to wear the Irish shirt and run around after a ball for Ireland.
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9554 |
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He describes them as "dregs" because he's a lowlife who genuinely despises Irish people born in England. HH is more concerned with lambasting those who don't fit his definition of Irishness than he is with actually supporting Ireland.
Edited by The O'Shea - 01 Jul 2022 at 12:57pm |
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We're decent enough..
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
Jack Charlton Joined: 04 Aug 2020 Status: Offline Points: 6615 |
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If Ronan always wanted to stay with Ireland, why did he play for England at all? I seriously doubt he would be playing for Ireland at all if his career had the same trajectory as Grealish or Rice. I haven't made digs at any players. I referred to the dregs, as in remnants, of players produced in England that are eligible for Ireland. Maybe harsh but true. I could list hundreds of good players eligible for Ireland who stuck with England. I could list two or three who played for us and maybe could've got two or three caps for them.
Edited by Hotlips_Hoolahan - 01 Jul 2022 at 1:58pm |
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
Jack Charlton Joined: 04 Aug 2020 Status: Offline Points: 6615 |
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I've actually defended Keane and Robinson on this thread. They're well within the rules to play for Ireland if they're not good enough to play for England, even if I don't agree with it. That's the fault of the people who draft the rules, not the players. The onus is also on coaches at underage level and people within the FAI to ensure that we don't need to take advantage of the granny rule and can produce our own players all the way through the systems. I think it's unfair lads like Keane and Robinson get all the criticism just because they were good enough to have ambitions to play for England at one stage. There are lads who've played with us all through the age groups who never had a decision to make because they were never on England's radar.
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9554 |
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If Ronan really wanted to play for England, why has he lined out with Ireland for years? If James McClean really considers himself Irish, why did he line out for NI? Your specious attempts to justify your witch hunt against guys like Ronan works both ways.
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We're decent enough..
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
Jack Charlton Joined: 04 Aug 2020 Status: Offline Points: 6615 |
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In this article, Ronan says himself that England only showed an interest as soon as he was called up for a RoI U17 squad. He subsequently dropped out of the RoI squad and played friendlies for England. When asked if England have approached him since, he says they haven't. Note that this is when he was in some of his best form at club level and intl level. He's played competitively all through the age groups for Ireland and was only selected for friendlies with England. The one time England batted their eyelids at him, he was off. They haven't showed an interest since, coinciding with a period where he had a few tough loan spells. I agree it's bad optics when someone plays for England all the way up to U21 level and then declares for us but, in fairness to them, they had options which is not something a lot of the Noel King generation of granny rulers had.
Edited by Hotlips_Hoolahan - 01 Jul 2022 at 3:03pm |
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KingKenny
Alan Kernaghan Joined: 15 Jan 2022 Status: Offline Points: 139 |
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Coventry has spent time learning Irish which to me makes him a lot more patriotic than a majority of the people born in Ireland.
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BrenC
Davey Langan Joined: 21 Oct 2010 Status: Offline Points: 856 |
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What’s your view on Obafemi HH? Only an Irish citizen because he was born in Ireland so he got birthright citizenship. Moved to England at a young age. No Irish ancestry.
Is he taking the place of a young ‘Irish’ player under your biased viewpoints or does him choosing Ireland ahead of other options redeem him in your eyes? Genuinely curious is it accident of birth, eating Tayto as a young lad or rejecting other countries that makes someone Irish enough in your eyes?
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
Jack Charlton Joined: 04 Aug 2020 Status: Offline Points: 6615 |
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Obafemi's situation is certainly more unique than any of the players discussed seeing as he was good enough to hold out for other countries when he tied himself to us, not to mention the circumstances that make him eligible for us. I'm sure we've had lads play for us whose only connection is having a family member born here to a father serving in the British Army. Then there's Alan Kernaghan who has admitted that he only played for us because NI wouldn't select him under a gentleman's agreement among the UK countries. There's also a few lads who've had questionable blood ties to us (Tony Cascarino, Terry Mancini, David McGoldrick). And right now we have Callum Robinson playing for us who I believe (open to correction) was not eligible under the rules that were in place when he started playing for us. So, to answer your question, Obafemi's connection probably isn't the most tenuous seeing as he was born here. Dennis Cirkin is eligible under the exact same circumstances and there are still the occasional shouts for him to play for us, despite showing none of the eagerness Obafemi has.
Edited by Hotlips_Hoolahan - 01 Jul 2022 at 4:22pm |
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10652 |
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But by your own post there HH you’ve conceded just how nebulous a concept nationality is, and it is complicated further by local laws and rules from organisations like UEFA etc.
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Banjaxed
Liam Brady Joined: 21 Feb 2014 Status: Offline Points: 2965 |
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Only has an Irish passport.
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Eoink21
Liam Brady Joined: 30 Aug 2019 Status: Offline Points: 1206 |
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His mother is a Dub too. How dare he though, how dare he.
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You Tell Me
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 6773 |
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In fairness why would anyone eligible for an Irish passport want a British one these days, they're useless.
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