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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I was being sarcastic. 
Another journey man failing to make it for England chooses Ireland. We've enough center halves anyway.


Yep, but these "jokes" about it being his dream, of HH's take that he has a big ego to think he'd get into our squad (which the player never said) grow legs.
It's insidious.

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I don't give 2 hoots if they grow legs or not. These chancers shouldn't by anywhere near the squad.

I've no issue with these lads coming on board, but not when the England dream is over.

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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I don't give 2 hoots if they grow legs or not. These chancers shouldn't by anywhere near the squad.

I've no issue with these lads coming on board, but not when the England dream is over.

Homegrown Irish players are missing out.

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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I don't give 2 hoots if they grow legs or not. These chancers shouldn't by anywhere near the squad.

I've no issue with these lads coming on board, but not when the England dream is over.

Homegrown Irish players are missing out.

Chancers like Ray Houghton (obviously Scottish but a similar situation) and many more from our greatest ever squads?
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I don't give 2 hoots if they grow legs or not. These chancers shouldn't by anywhere near the squad.

I've no issue with these lads coming on board, but not when the England dream is over.

Homegrown Irish players are missing out.
 

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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I don't give 2 hoots if they grow legs or not. These chancers shouldn't by anywhere near the squad.

I've no issue with these lads coming on board, but not when the England dream is over.

Homegrown Irish players are missing out.

Chancers like Ray Houghton (obviously Scottish but a similar situation) and many more from our greatest ever squads?

Different times. For various reasons we are not as reliant on the granny rule anymore. We could rely exclusively on Irish-born players and not be that worse off. 

The dregs of what England produce like Louie Watson and Conor Coventry and Cyrus Christie aren't going to change anyone's fortunes drastically in international football, and at that point you're probably just better working with players who've come through domestically.

The threads on the ones with the best, game changing, talent could reach 50000 posts before they'd contemplate going with Ireland.

There's no point babbling about lads like Liam Delap as if he's going to settle for Ireland when history shows (Davies/Noble/O'Hara/Nolan/Maddison/Bamford), he's either not going to play for us or he'll be approaching thirty when he does.

People should give attention to young Irish players. But I guess it's not as fun when there's a will he won't he approach to things.


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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I don't give 2 hoots if they grow legs or not. These chancers shouldn't by anywhere near the squad.

I've no issue with these lads coming on board, but not when the England dream is over.

Homegrown Irish players are missing out.

Chancers like Ray Houghton (obviously Scottish but a similar situation) and many more from our greatest ever squads?

Don't get me wrong. I don't doubt that some of these players made a huge contribution and were very successful, fully committed and I idolised some of them when I was a kid. But that was then. I do think we have good strength in depth for some of these lads to be not considered.

I'm a little dubious about players making the switch past 21.

I just think the rules are too loose and that think they should be tightened a little.



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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I don't give 2 hoots if they grow legs or not. These chancers shouldn't by anywhere near the squad.

I've no issue with these lads coming on board, but not when the England dream is over.

Homegrown Irish players are missing out.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I don't give 2 hoots if they grow legs or not. These chancers shouldn't by anywhere near the squad.

I've no issue with these lads coming on board, but not when the England dream is over.

Homegrown Irish players are missing out.

Chancers like Ray Houghton (obviously Scottish but a similar situation) and many more from our greatest ever squads?

Different times. For various reasons we are not as reliant on the granny rule anymore. We could rely exclusively on Irish-born players and not be that worse off. 

The dregs of what England produce like Louie Watson and Conor Coventry and Cyrus Christie aren't going to change anyone's fortunes drastically in international football, and at that point you're probably just better working with players who've come through domestically.

Conor Coventry has been excellent for our youth teams and could develop into an international standard of player for us. Not sure why you have to call him "dregs" so disrespectful are "england cooties" that bad we have to disrespect players that have shown us nothing but loyalty and enthusiasm to wear the shirt.

I have no issue with not going after dual nats especially when we are clear 2nd choice to them and they don't improve us but we shouldn't stereotype them. It's possible to feel attachment to several countries...


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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I don't give 2 hoots if they grow legs or not. These chancers shouldn't by anywhere near the squad.

I've no issue with these lads coming on board, but not when the England dream is over.

Homegrown Irish players are missing out.

Chancers like Ray Houghton (obviously Scottish but a similar situation) and many more from our greatest ever squads?

Different times. For various reasons we are not as reliant on the granny rule anymore. We could rely exclusively on Irish-born players and not be that worse off. 

The dregs of what England produce like Louie Watson and Conor Coventry and Cyrus Christie aren't going to change anyone's fortunes drastically in international football, and at that point you're probably just better working with players who've come through domestically.

The threads on the ones with the best, game changing, talent could reach 50000 posts before they'd contemplate going with Ireland.

There's no point babbling about lads like Liam Delap as if he's going to settle for Ireland when history shows (Davies/Noble/O'Hara/Nolan/Maddison/Bamford), he's either not going to play for us or he'll be approaching thirty when he does.

People should give attention to young Irish players. But I guess it's not as fun when there's a will he won't he approach to things.

Big difference between someone like Coventry who represented Ireland at underage level since he was 16 compared to a player declaring at 24 after representing a different country. 

Plenty of people not born in Ireland to Irish parents who feel Irish first or whose preference is to play for Ireland.  

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And I'm sure there are English lads who would've only played for England who had proud Irish roots. 

The bottom line is pretty much anyone who's been good enough to play for both over the last thirty years has picked England.

Jack Grealish played GAA growing up but identified primarily as English and wanted to play for England.

There are lads less in touch with their roots than him who didn't have a choice to make and so went with us.

Conor Coventry wouldn't get within an arse's roar of the English setup so that's neither here nor there.
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Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I don't give 2 hoots if they grow legs or not. These chancers shouldn't by anywhere near the squad.

I've no issue with these lads coming on board, but not when the England dream is over.

Homegrown Irish players are missing out.

Chancers like Ray Houghton (obviously Scottish but a similar situation) and many more from our greatest ever squads?

Different times. For various reasons we are not as reliant on the granny rule anymore. We could rely exclusively on Irish-born players and not be that worse off. 

The dregs of what England produce like Louie Watson and Conor Coventry and Cyrus Christie aren't going to change anyone's fortunes drastically in international football, and at that point you're probably just better working with players who've come through domestically.

Conor Coventry has been excellent for our youth teams and could develop into an international standard of player for us. Not sure why you have to call him "dregs" so disrespectful are "england cooties" that bad we have to disrespect players that have shown us nothing but loyalty and enthusiasm to wear the shirt.

I have no issue with not going after dual nats especially when we are clear 2nd choice to them and they don't improve us but we shouldn't stereotype them. It's possible to feel attachment to several countries...

Your completely misinterpreting what I've said. 

Coventry and many many others have played with us from the very START. There is simply no question about their allegiances here.

They want to play for Ireland and ARE playing for Ireland.

Robinson, Will Keane and Clarke-Salter as an example, have all played for England through the underage setup, their now senior players who are nowhere near good enough to play for England so they switch to Ireland to further their own careers.

Will Keane's twin brother plays for England. 
2 twins playing for different countries! give me a break.





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Don't think it has been officially confirmed yet, but it is being reported as permanent in the local media. Surprised at the low fee as he had made a few first team appearances. Compared to Bazunu's fee for instance. But they seem to have decided that he won't make it there and he's in the last year of his contract.

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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I don't give 2 hoots if they grow legs or not. These chancers shouldn't by anywhere near the squad.

I've no issue with these lads coming on board, but not when the England dream is over.

Homegrown Irish players are missing out.

Chancers like Ray Houghton (obviously Scottish but a similar situation) and many more from our greatest ever squads?

Different times. For various reasons we are not as reliant on the granny rule anymore. We could rely exclusively on Irish-born players and not be that worse off. 

The dregs of what England produce like Louie Watson and Conor Coventry and Cyrus Christie aren't going to change anyone's fortunes drastically in international football, and at that point you're probably just better working with players who've come through domestically.

Conor Coventry has been excellent for our youth teams and could develop into an international standard of player for us. Not sure why you have to call him "dregs" so disrespectful are "england cooties" that bad we have to disrespect players that have shown us nothing but loyalty and enthusiasm to wear the shirt.

I have no issue with not going after dual nats especially when we are clear 2nd choice to them and they don't improve us but we shouldn't stereotype them. It's possible to feel attachment to several countries...

Your completely misinterpreting what I've said. 

Coventry and many many others have played with us from the very START. There is simply no question about their allegiances here.

They want to play for Ireland and ARE playing for Ireland.

Robinson, Will Keane and Clarke-Salter as an example, have all played for England through the underage setup, their now senior players who are nowhere near good enough to play for England so they switch to Ireland to further their own careers.

Will Keane's twin brother plays for England. 
2 twins playing for different countries! give me a break.


There is many examples of family members playing for different counties it's not unique to Ireland. I'm not going to defend the Will Keane call up though I don't personally think he adds anything to the squad and I wouldn't take his brother either as I find him a very average CB.

I'm sure there are many English (and other countries) players who aren't patriotic and play international football because its an indication of success rather than some deep loyalty. So personally I just don't see any point to assigning any player motive we will never really know if a player wants to play for Ireland so  I'm going to judge by their performances and attitude not paranoia that they would rather be playing for another country.
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I can’t help but feel we’d be gushing over the possibility of a switch if a player was a regular at Liverpool or Man U, and was switching international allegiances. 
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Mark Noble could have played for Ireland, he would definitely been a starter and won many caps, he also would have played in 1 if not 2 major championships.

He captained England at underage and always maintained his dream was to play for England.

He has a massive Irish family (some of whom live in my area), but he declined a call up because he said it wasn't right and that he would ultimately be taking another players place and denying their dream to play for Ireland.


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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Mark Noble could have played for Ireland, he would definitely been a starter and won many caps, he also would have played in 1 if not 2 major championships.

He captained England at underage and always maintained his dream was to play for England.

He has a massive Irish family (some of whom live in my area), but he declined a call up because he said it wasn't right and that he would ultimately be taking another players place and denying their dream to play for Ireland.



O'Hara and Kitson said similar. Always admired that.

In fairness to the likes of Will Keane and Callum Robinson, the only thing separating them from a lot of the lads who've played with us all through the age groups (I'll use Coventry as an example) is that, at one stage or another, they were good enough to wear an England shirt. You can attribute loyalty to lads who've always worn an Ireland shirt but a lot of them never had a choice to make as they were never on the radar.

Connor Ronan is on the fringes of the senior squad right now and has rotated between intl teams. That's as embarrassing as anything.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Connor Ronan is on the fringes of the senior squad right now and has rotated between intl teams. That's as embarrassing as anything.


This is not true.
He lined out for two England U17 friendly matches and thereafter only played for Ireland underage teams.
No rotation involved.

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