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Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

Stephen Irelands son on trial at Dortmund also another one who will probably stick with the English if hes any good.

I think its more of a case that players with strong irish connections like  Liam Dalap, Harry Kane, etc would not only just want to choose England as their team but would rather not play for another international team if England wasn't an option.

I hear a lot of - if hes not good enough for england he'll settle for ireland, however I dont think this is the case, I think players would rather not have a second choice.

I think that Grealish would be happier with a zero caps for england than 100 caps for ireland.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

How did Rory Delap qualify for Ireland, was it a parent or grandparent 


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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

How did Rory Delap qualify for Ireland, was it a parent or grandparent 


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An approach should be made to Delap and get this settled before it becomes a saga. If he sticks with England good luck to him but nip this one in the bud. With Andrews, Duff and Alan Kelly involved in U21 team they should have an easy in to talk to Delap.

I would take any previous refusals to join up with a pinch of salt given the state of the precious regime. And to be honest I've no doubt that Kenny will ensure he's asked properly but not begged which is how it should be
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Originally posted by AbuAbu AbuAbu wrote:

An approach should be made to Delap and get this settled before it becomes a saga. If he sticks with England good luck to him but nip this one in the bud. With Andrews, Duff and Alan Kelly involved in U21 team they should have an easy in to talk to Delap.

I would take any previous refusals to join up with a pinch of salt given the state of the precious regime. And to be honest I've no doubt that Kenny will ensure he's asked properly but not begged which is how it should be


With all due respect, it's not going to be a saga. He's just scored for one of the biggest teams in the world in a competitive game. Asking him now would be a complete waste of time IMO.
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I don't think scoring in the EFL cup is likely to be a swinger in Delaps choice of international team either way LOL
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by AbuAbu AbuAbu wrote:

An approach should be made to Delap and get this settled before it becomes a saga. If he sticks with England good luck to him but nip this one in the bud. With Andrews, Duff and Alan Kelly involved in U21 team they should have an easy in to talk to Delap.

I would take any previous refusals to join up with a pinch of salt given the state of the precious regime. And to be honest I've no doubt that Kenny will ensure he's asked properly but not begged which is how it should be


With all due respect, it's not going to be a saga. He's just scored for one of the biggest teams in the world in a competitive game. Asking him now would be a complete waste of time IMO.

I hope you are right. Ask - yes/no move on.

No one knows his motivation.  Maybe he feels Irish, maybe that's important too him. Maybe he feels English.  Ask and move on.  

I think commercial reasons will become less important to players as they are becoming so wealthy even at academy level
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Originally posted by AbuAbu AbuAbu wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by AbuAbu AbuAbu wrote:

An approach should be made to Delap and get this settled before it becomes a saga. If he sticks with England good luck to him but nip this one in the bud. With Andrews, Duff and Alan Kelly involved in U21 team they should have an easy in to talk to Delap.

I would take any previous refusals to join up with a pinch of salt given the state of the precious regime. And to be honest I've no doubt that Kenny will ensure he's asked properly but not begged which is how it should be


With all due respect, it's not going to be a saga. He's just scored for one of the biggest teams in the world in a competitive game. Asking him now would be a complete waste of time IMO.

I hope you are right. Ask - yes/no move on.

No one knows his motivation.  Maybe he feels Irish, maybe that's important too him. Maybe he feels English.  Ask and move on.  

I think commercial reasons will become less important to players as they are becoming so wealthy even at academy level

I agree we should ask him, but wouldn’t hold out much hope honestly. Pretty insane that we have Delap, Ampadu, and Ireland jnr in other countries’ systems. That was a nice f**king finish in fairness 

There is no limit to the appetite for money, unfortunately. The very top players are on a million a week now. That may be the norm in 10 years. I remember when Roy Keane was making 50k a week and that was a huge sum
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Originally posted by AbuAbu AbuAbu wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by AbuAbu AbuAbu wrote:

An approach should be made to Delap and get this settled before it becomes a saga. If he sticks with England good luck to him but nip this one in the bud. With Andrews, Duff and Alan Kelly involved in U21 team they should have an easy in to talk to Delap.

I would take any previous refusals to join up with a pinch of salt given the state of the precious regime. And to be honest I've no doubt that Kenny will ensure he's asked properly but not begged which is how it should be


With all due respect, it's not going to be a saga. He's just scored for one of the biggest teams in the world in a competitive game. Asking him now would be a complete waste of time IMO.

I hope you are right. Ask - yes/no move on.

No one knows his motivation.  Maybe he feels Irish, maybe that's important too him. Maybe he feels English.  Ask and move on.  

I think commercial reasons will become less important to players as they are becoming so wealthy even at academy level
And if he feels both?
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by AbuAbu AbuAbu wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by AbuAbu AbuAbu wrote:

An approach should be made to Delap and get this settled before it becomes a saga. If he sticks with England good luck to him but nip this one in the bud. With Andrews, Duff and Alan Kelly involved in U21 team they should have an easy in to talk to Delap.

I would take any previous refusals to join up with a pinch of salt given the state of the precious regime. And to be honest I've no doubt that Kenny will ensure he's asked properly but not begged which is how it should be


With all due respect, it's not going to be a saga. He's just scored for one of the biggest teams in the world in a competitive game. Asking him now would be a complete waste of time IMO.

I hope you are right. Ask - yes/no move on.

No one knows his motivation.  Maybe he feels Irish, maybe that's important too him. Maybe he feels English.  Ask and move on.  

I think commercial reasons will become less important to players as they are becoming so wealthy even at academy level
And if he feels both?
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I agree. Jack Grealish probably identifies with his Irish roots more than someone like Harry Arter. Declan Rice probably identifies with his Irish roots more than someone like Simon Cox. Just because someone is less talented at football and declares for Ireland because they don't have a choice to make doesn't magically make them more Irish.

I honestly do think people get far too excited about lads like Jack Grealish, Daniel Crowley and Callum O'Hare playing Gaelic when they were kids, though.

9 times out of 10 (conservative estimate), if a player is eligible for Ireland and England, and is good enough to play for both countries, they will play for England.

And people can blame Tim Sherwood, Gareth Southgate, agents, the FA, Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane if it makes them feel better, but it is what it is.

In an alternate universe, I'm sure Martin Keown, Wayne Rooney, Paul Scholes and Rio Ferdinand all would have represented Ireland if they made their names at Morecambe, Macclesfield, Wycombe and Luton instead.
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Keown's father pushed him to declare for England, said it was a way for them to give something back to the country that gave them a home, work, etc
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

I agree. Jack Grealish probably identifies with his Irish roots more than someone like Harry Arter. Declan Rice probably identifies with his Irish roots more than someone like Simon Cox. Just because someone is less talented at football and declares for Ireland because they don't have a choice to make doesn't magically make them more Irish.

I honestly do think people get far too excited about lads like Jack Grealish, Daniel Crowley and Callum O'Hare playing Gaelic when they were kids, though.

9 times out of 10 (conservative estimate), if a player is eligible for Ireland and England, and is good enough to play for both countries, they will play for England.

And people can blame Tim Sherwood, Gareth Southgate, agents, the FA, Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane if it makes them feel better, but it is what it is.

In an alternate universe, I'm sure Martin Keown, Wayne Rooney, Paul Scholes and Rio Ferdinand all would have represented Ireland if they made their names at Morecambe, Macclesfield, Wycombe and Luton instead.
I’d agree with you to some extent but if look at how Wales played similar type situations and almost every time secured dual players by been pro active and not asleep on the job like Martin o Neill was in particular. 
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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Keown's father pushed him to declare for England, said it was a way for them to give something back to the country that gave them a home, work, etc


Really?

Never heard that, I believe both his parents were Irish and they ran an Irish pub somewhere (could be wrong though).
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:


9 times out of 10 (conservative estimate), if a player is eligible for Ireland and England, and is good enough to play for both countries, they will play for England.

I'd say it comes down to where they grow up.
Peers have a huge influence, especially in the teenage years.

As for Delap, he's a young lad with a lot of promise.
Let him make his own way and if he doesn't make it for England and is good enough, then he should be welcomed here.
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