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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Wait, Isn't he allowed to switch once? despite not holding Irish citizenship? Can he not apply for citizenship then switch.... right? 

Not if he's a granny rule qualification, no. That now only applies to Irish born players, players with an Irish born parent or players who already held Irish citizenship before playing for another country. So, unless he already had gone to the trouble of getting Irish citizenship years ago (very unlikely) he's ineligible along with Crowley, Johansson and countless others we don't know about yet.

Come to think of it Joe Hodge would have been ineligible under the current rule as well. We really need to get onto FIFA to get it sorted. The Johansson case has done serious damage to our potential playing pool.

EDIT: Actually Hodge would have been fine, he only played friendlies for England, no competitive appearances.


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Agreed, we really need to ask FIFA to clarify the rules here, the good news is, FIFA seems to be a well organised, competent, efficient organisation so are probably already looking into this issue.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Wait, Isn't he allowed to switch once? despite not holding Irish citizenship? Can he not apply for citizenship then switch.... right? 

Not if he's a granny rule qualification, no. That now only applies to Irish born players, players with an Irish born parent or players who already held Irish citizenship before playing for another country. So, unless he already had gone to the trouble of getting Irish citizenship years ago (very unlikely) he's ineligible along with Crowley, Johansson and countless others we don't know about yet.

Come to think of it Joe Hodge would have been ineligible under the current rule as well. We really need to get onto FIFA to get it sorted. The Johansson case has done serious damage to our potential playing pool.

Again, we still have no confirmation of this. It would appear that is the case based on Johansson, but until we see it in a case where the other country hasn't kicked up a fuss (with Crowley, for example) then it's still possible he'd be treated in the same was as Robinson was.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Wait, Isn't he allowed to switch once? despite not holding Irish citizenship? Can he not apply for citizenship then switch.... right? 

Not if he's a granny rule qualification, no. That now only applies to Irish born players, players with an Irish born parent or players who already held Irish citizenship before playing for another country. So, unless he already had gone to the trouble of getting Irish citizenship years ago (very unlikely) he's ineligible along with Crowley, Johansson and countless others we don't know about yet.

Come to think of it Joe Hodge would have been ineligible under the current rule as well. We really need to get onto FIFA to get it sorted. The Johansson case has done serious damage to our potential playing pool.

Again, we still have no confirmation of this. It would appear that is the case based on Johansson, but until we see it in a case where the other country hasn't kicked up a fuss (with Crowley, for example) then it's still possible he'd be treated in the same was as Robinson was.

This would be a sickner. But I think it is only if you are trying to switch BACK ?

If there is no switch then it should be fine
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Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Wait, Isn't he allowed to switch once? despite not holding Irish citizenship? Can he not apply for citizenship then switch.... right? 

Not if he's a granny rule qualification, no. That now only applies to Irish born players, players with an Irish born parent or players who already held Irish citizenship before playing for another country. So, unless he already had gone to the trouble of getting Irish citizenship years ago (very unlikely) he's ineligible along with Crowley, Johansson and countless others we don't know about yet.

Come to think of it Joe Hodge would have been ineligible under the current rule as well. We really need to get onto FIFA to get it sorted. The Johansson case has done serious damage to our potential playing pool.

Again, we still have no confirmation of this. It would appear that is the case based on Johansson, but until we see it in a case where the other country hasn't kicked up a fuss (with Crowley, for example) then it's still possible he'd be treated in the same was as Robinson was.

This would be a sickner. But I think it is only if you are trying to switch BACK ?

If there is no switch then it should be fine

It's not really about the number of switches.
 
It's fine as long as the player has not played a competitive underage game for the other country - usually England. But if they have they're gone, even if they haven't switched before.

So, as an example, if an English player who qualifies for Ireland through a grandparent plays even one game for England under 17s or 19s before getting Irish citizenship they can never play for Ireland. Doesn't matter if they haven't switched before.

That's why Crowley hasn't been confirmed for us. He doesn't qualify.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Wait, Isn't he allowed to switch once? despite not holding Irish citizenship? Can he not apply for citizenship then switch.... right? 

Not if he's a granny rule qualification, no. That now only applies to Irish born players, players with an Irish born parent or players who already held Irish citizenship before playing for another country. So, unless he already had gone to the trouble of getting Irish citizenship years ago (very unlikely) he's ineligible along with Crowley, Johansson and countless others we don't know about yet.

Come to think of it Joe Hodge would have been ineligible under the current rule as well. We really need to get onto FIFA to get it sorted. The Johansson case has done serious damage to our potential playing pool.

Again, we still have no confirmation of this. It would appear that is the case based on Johansson, but until we see it in a case where the other country hasn't kicked up a fuss (with Crowley, for example) then it's still possible he'd be treated in the same was as Robinson was.

This would be a sickner. But I think it is only if you are trying to switch BACK ?

If there is no switch then it should be fine

It's not really about the number of switches.
 
It's fine as long as the player has not played a competitive underage game for the other country - usually England. But if they have they're gone, even if they haven't switched before.

So, as an example, if an English player who qualifies for Ireland through a grandparent plays even one game for England under 17s or 19s before getting Irish citizenship they can never play for Ireland. Doesn't matter if they haven't switched before.

That's why Crowley hasn't been confirmed for us. He doesn't qualify.

Ridiculous rule that penalises smaller countries like all the other rules generally penalise smaller clubs.
But I doubt it will come up with him surely. Amazing people are not querying the FAI and Kenny on this and actually getting this sorted out. I hope they have their eye on this stuff and have a process for getting fast citizenship from the govt too. Crucial we challenge it too in courts

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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Wait, Isn't he allowed to switch once? despite not holding Irish citizenship? Can he not apply for citizenship then switch.... right? 

Not if he's a granny rule qualification, no. That now only applies to Irish born players, players with an Irish born parent or players who already held Irish citizenship before playing for another country. So, unless he already had gone to the trouble of getting Irish citizenship years ago (very unlikely) he's ineligible along with Crowley, Johansson and countless others we don't know about yet.

Come to think of it Joe Hodge would have been ineligible under the current rule as well. We really need to get onto FIFA to get it sorted. The Johansson case has done serious damage to our potential playing pool.

Again, we still have no confirmation of this. It would appear that is the case based on Johansson, but until we see it in a case where the other country hasn't kicked up a fuss (with Crowley, for example) then it's still possible he'd be treated in the same was as Robinson was.

This would be a sickner. But I think it is only if you are trying to switch BACK ?

If there is no switch then it should be fine

It's not really about the number of switches.
 
It's fine as long as the player has not played a competitive underage game for the other country - usually England. But if they have they're gone, even if they haven't switched before.

So, as an example, if an English player who qualifies for Ireland through a grandparent plays even one game for England under 17s or 19s before getting Irish citizenship they can never play for Ireland. Doesn't matter if they haven't switched before.

That's why Crowley hasn't been confirmed for us. He doesn't qualify.
If it’s a granny job and they’ve played for England, I think that means they’re English. How desperate are you?
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I think its designed more to protect than penalise smaller countries by preventing players 'upgrading' their nationality to something higher profile, more successful or more lucrative once they start making it big. You could say it was protecting the smaller country Luxembourg from us poaching him in that instance. 
 Different countries citizenship rules work different ways anyway so you can win or lose from it according to the circumstances. They seem to be letting us keep Robinson regardless of the rules anyway so we're hardly being persecuted.
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Originally posted by King_Kenny King_Kenny wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Wait, Isn't he allowed to switch once? despite not holding Irish citizenship? Can he not apply for citizenship then switch.... right? 

Not if he's a granny rule qualification, no. That now only applies to Irish born players, players with an Irish born parent or players who already held Irish citizenship before playing for another country. So, unless he already had gone to the trouble of getting Irish citizenship years ago (very unlikely) he's ineligible along with Crowley, Johansson and countless others we don't know about yet.

Come to think of it Joe Hodge would have been ineligible under the current rule as well. We really need to get onto FIFA to get it sorted. The Johansson case has done serious damage to our potential playing pool.

Again, we still have no confirmation of this. It would appear that is the case based on Johansson, but until we see it in a case where the other country hasn't kicked up a fuss (with Crowley, for example) then it's still possible he'd be treated in the same was as Robinson was.

This would be a sickner. But I think it is only if you are trying to switch BACK ?

If there is no switch then it should be fine

It's not really about the number of switches.
 
It's fine as long as the player has not played a competitive underage game for the other country - usually England. But if they have they're gone, even if they haven't switched before.

So, as an example, if an English player who qualifies for Ireland through a grandparent plays even one game for England under 17s or 19s before getting Irish citizenship they can never play for Ireland. Doesn't matter if they haven't switched before.

That's why Crowley hasn't been confirmed for us. He doesn't qualify.
If it’s a granny job and they’ve played for England, I think that means they’re English. How desperate are you?

Poor comment. Borderline xenophobic to be honest. Was that you holding that sign up at Jack Charlton's first game in 1986? 

You must be desperate for Joe Hodge to go home to England. And Callum Robinson too.

Dual nationality is a complex thing. Not everyone is of one nationality only and is 100% sure of what it is as a teenager.
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Wasn't Nathan Ake eligible for us ?
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Wasn't Nathan Ake eligible for us ?

Are you thinking of Ampadu?
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Wasn't Nathan Ake eligible for us ?

Are you thinking of Ampadu?

Yeah probably 

His name seems so familiar with someone who is eligible
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Chelsea player who was on loan with Charlton and Swansea last season.

Apparently Leeds and Bundesliga club are interester too. Has played for England at U21 level but apparently he's eligible to play for Scotland and ourselves.

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Looks very like the Scotland and Ireland links have been thrown in as back-up insurance policies in case he doesn't cut it with England. That said, I would hope that we have at least sounded him out. He looks a very talented player.
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