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Luis Amor Rodriguez
Liam Brady Joined: 19 Sep 2016 Location: Harchester Status: Offline Points: 1646 |
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But it is happening with Wales, the US, Norn Iron, and to a lesser extent England and Scotland. Look at the players they've called up the past three years say and tell me you disagree. There is no reason why a ROI manager should not be conscious of this issue, as his international counterparts are, and act accordingly.
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rolo
Moderator Group Joined: 05 Aug 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9202 |
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Have to say I'll be having a real dig at green devil if Grealish moves to the premier league. Took the piss out of me over the last year or so cos Grealish was stuck in the Championship and I had said back in 2015 he looked like a future England international. GD has gone a bit quiet on that front lately, but I haven't forgotten. He wasn't the only one, there was derision from a number of posters.
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"I'm off to see the Queen tomorrow too, don't forget that"
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deise316
Moderator Group Don't ask me about car warranty Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Location: The Déise Status: Offline Points: 10921 |
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Just to be clear, I'm not advocating scrapping the granny rule or anything, it has served us well in the past, and I'm sure will do in the future. But there are also games to be won, and mass experimentation just to tie down someone who we know is a professional footballer and not a lot more about them, on the off chance they might be good enough in 3 or 4 years time, is unrealistic, even from a logistical point of view.
There is also this blithe assumption that everyone somehow wants to play for us, or could be easily induced into playing for us, though I have no idea why that would be the case, we're rubbish. I have zero idea why Declan Rice wants to play for us, there must be a strong familial tie, because it sure can't be for football reasons. If I were his (for argument's sake, neutral) agent, I'd be telling him to run a mile. We are all delighted that he does play for us, but Grealish is the flipside of that coin, he was asked, he refused, that is his choice. Blaming the FAI or MON might be popular, but doesn't make it correct. We couldn't even get Liam Kelly to join us, and he has achieved zero in the game as of yet, but again it wasn't because he wasn't asked. These things are going to happen. For all MON's faults, and I have been critical of him elsewhere, I think he does recognise the glaring weaknesses in our team, particularly the central midfield and strikers, hence he did actually go chase Grealish, Kelly & Hogan, and has also looked at Irish alternatives in Browne, Maguire & Burke. I'm not as sure as to what specific areas Wales & Scotland are weakest in, but you will likely find there is a correlation between that and the young players they have recently capped. NI are a bit of a different case, their pick is so small they take whatever they can get to add to general squad depth. On here though, it is just name after name thrown out, regardless of position or ability, not necessarily saying that is the case with yerself, but in my view, often boils down to just naming lads for the sake of it, or used as a stick to beat MON/FAI with. |
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Picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.....
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Luis Amor Rodriguez
Liam Brady Joined: 19 Sep 2016 Location: Harchester Status: Offline Points: 1646 |
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You're right Rolo, there was. But lads have a lot of growing to do at the age of 20, physically and in terms of maturity, so it's not a surprise it takes a while to get to the top. There's no doubt Grealish is top, top quality: dribbling, pace, touch, accuracy of pass, shooting, athleticism, fitness, sacrifice-for-the team. I imagine he'll be capped for England within the next 18 months, if not the next six. There were question marks from some respectable quarters when himself and Sessegnon weren't called up for the WC squad.
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rolo
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I find that extremely hard to believe. |
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OnTheOneRoad
Ray Houghton Joined: 06 Nov 2014 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 4190 |
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It sounds like a mugging down a dark alleyway the way people talk about getting unwitting lads to play for us in a competitive international and then theres this big "gotcha!" moment where we turn around to them and tell them they're stuck with us forever.
Grealish and whoever else can talk sh*te all they want when they're in the U21s about how they love ireland and once drank a pint of Guinness and it was great, but they're as aware as anyone about the decision that goes into it and its consequences. Grealish didn't fancy playing for us when we wanted to call him up, if we had called him up for Gibraltar he'd just as likely have told us to f**k off then. Same with Liam Kelly and whoever else you care to mention. These are/were decent players in the Championship when we attempted to call them up, it's not as though they're star players at Manchester City. An England call-up for them right now isn't realistic by some distance no matter who the tabloids are linking them with today or tomorrow. Yet they still don't want to play for us. So i doubt luring them in at a young age to tie them down would have been massively successful
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Roberto Baggio
Robbie Keane UNBELIEVABLE JEFF Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 37149 |
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Yeah, Grealish and Adam Idah are going to be the United front 2 next season. |
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Green Devil
Robbie Keane Aye Kes, I've pissed me-self again Joined: 06 Oct 2010 Location: Barbados Status: Offline Points: 22173 |
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That's pretty childish tbh. Here are your own words. England are home and hosed in euro 2016 qualifying. If Grealish declares for them, he'll be capped competitively in September. Which he wasn't. My words. 1. Personally, I don't think he's good enough overall anyway, even if he does mature to make it at the highest level. (top EPL club) 2. Just because he comes across as a tricky winger and has some fancy skills in his locker I really think his all round game isn't of the required standard to ever be a top EPL player. 3. I reckon he will spend the majority of his career in the Championship, he hasn't done anything for me consistently to suggest otherwise. That was from January 2017, to his credit he has had a very good season in the Championship this campaign. But the argument wasn't whether Jack would light up the Championship, so come back to me when he's playing week in week out for one of the best sides in the EPL like a good man.
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"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"
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Green Devil
Robbie Keane Aye Kes, I've pissed me-self again Joined: 06 Oct 2010 Location: Barbados Status: Offline Points: 22173 |
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You sound like you're comparing a few posts on a forum in the same way you would hold a grudge against someone who robbed your house. I'm more than happy to debate this on the Grealish thread by the way Also, I rarely post on here anymore tbh hence why I've gone "quiet"
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"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"
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gufct
Jack Charlton Trapattoni could manage me any day! Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6517 |
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This Forum is gone to the dogs. If someone wants to play for us they will you cant force someone to.
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One City,One County,One Club GUFC will be back.
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 24975 |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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DeclanDaly
Ray Houghton Joined: 17 Oct 2013 Location: Boston, USA Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
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Former underage cap Reise Allasani is working his way back up the leagues with a move to Coventry
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savo01
Liam Brady Joined: 14 Feb 2013 Location: South Armagh Status: Offline Points: 1893 |
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FFS not this again!
HE DID NOT WANT TO PLAY FOR IRELAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SAID SO HIMSELF!!!!!!!!!! PLAYED UNDERAGE FOR US BECAUSE HIS CLUBMATES DID!!!!!!!! WANTS TO PLAY FOR ENGLAND!!!!!!!!? |
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Jackie Charlton, Eoin Hand
Johnny Giles. Ireland Mick McCarthy, Stephen Staunton Cascarino Tony Galvin, Niall Quinn Packie doesn't let em in North of Ireland South of Ireland Only one can go |
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9485 |
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Allasani? Who really cares, he'll never play for England, but if he can improve us there's no reason he shouldn't be asked.
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We're decent enough..
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NIGreenWall
Phil Babb Joined: 25 Sep 2017 Location: Norn Iron Status: Offline Points: 42 |
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It interesting you mention the FAI not making an effort in approaching players, to be honest no fans of any association know what really goes on behind the scenes, case in point being Bailey Peacock-Farrell hopefully our (NI) future number one confiming today that the FAI did approach him but he turned them down.
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Luis Amor Rodriguez
Liam Brady Joined: 19 Sep 2016 Location: Harchester Status: Offline Points: 1646 |
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Indeed, but the difference was that, NI, like Wales and England, but unlike us, had their head man get in touch personally and invest some time and effort in the fella, even if he wasn't going to get a senior call-up immediately, or necessarily ever. That's why he's interested and apparently committed to NI.
It seems very unlikely MON or RK got in touch with him. Maybe if they did, he would have reached a different conclusion, as all things being equal, ROI is objectively a better option that NI, despite NI's relatively recent (and rare) high-ish position in the rankings. I'd love to see our MON or RK test that commitment.
The article continues: "Northern Ireland made me feel very welcome from day one. They were watching me playing on a regular basis, even for the U23s. https://get.convrse.media/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.belfastlive.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2Ffootball-news%2Fbailey-peacock-farrell-living-dream-14729242&cre=bottom&cip=43" style="background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; border-width: 0px; border-style: initial; font-size: 16px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(20, 20, 20); font-family: "Open Sans", sans-serif; float: left;">"Michael actually called me down about two years ago to a Northern Ireland training camp in Manchester. We spoke at the hotel and told me there was an opportunity for me. |
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Denis Irwin
Robbie Keane Stay Home & watch Lethal Weapon Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Location: Ath Cliath Status: Offline Points: 37886 |
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Ray Houghton Joined: 28 Jul 2010 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 4932 |
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English man wants to play for England.
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