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    Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 9:37am
More details on this in the papers today. This group weren't ready to go public  just yet but got mentioned by Noel Mooney on an podcast last week and have had to react to that and start doing press. They're one of the stakeholders that the YBIG Mandate have met and have had ongoing engagement with. Their plans are well developed and very impressive although their timescales are very tight imo. Any thoughts from the LOI section of the board?





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linfield wont join , so some of  the others in the north wont wont either... which will make it a 'semi - all ireland league' ... some teams in the north have too much to loose.. guaranteed euro spots every year
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I don't see any nordie papers running with it.  Can't see it happening especially by 2021.  10 million prize money seems a bit far fetched.  

Would like to see it happen though.
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Don't like it at all, would mean smaller clubs like my own stuck in second or third divisions for extended periods of time, wouldn't be able to compete with the bigger clubs.
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Is there any appetite in the north for this at all??
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Originally posted by mandrake mandrake wrote:

linfield wont join , so some of  the others in the north wont wont either... which will make it a 'semi - all ireland league' ... some teams in the north have too much to loose.. guaranteed euro spots every year


Northern clubs don't seem to care about Europe, also the north is losing a spot now anyway because they have been so poor

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More appetite in the North than down here apparently. 

If prize money at the top end is more than Euro money there's no way the likes of Linfield would pass that up. 

Smaller clubs would have a Division 1 North or South to compete in with a path to the top league which is more attractive than being a yo yo club at the moment. 14 teams in the top league including 5 from NI is only one less ROI club than in the top league at present.

I believe the €10m is long term aim. Starting point is €3.7m through TV, sponsors and cross border initiative funding. 

Our advice was 2021 was too soon and another year or two would be needed to flesh it out. 

It's in the Irish papers today as the group met with Dan McDonnell, Mark McCadden, Johnny Ward and Neil O'Riordan yesterday. There was a piece in the Belfast Telegraph earlier in the week. 



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My only complaints would be regarding the proposed schedule, as I'd be in favour of a February-November season. I would also prefer to see the playoffs played across two legs in the clubs own grounds rather than a one leg tie in Dublin or Belfast. 

Other than that, I'm all for this; if it paves the way for a proper pyramid system on the island, let them begin work on it. It can't be worse than what we currently have.


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I think it's a fantastic idea and offers the best chance for the league to make a huge step forward.

The money being sought is ambitious but we're currently operating not far off zero so anything would be a bonus.

Branding and image would be very important, I don't think the potential for trouble is as high as people think but harsh fines or points penalties would need to be doled out if they did occur. Also games in the lesser stadiums should be limited for live coverage, seeing these grounds on telly is bad for the overall image regardless of the product on the pitch. 
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Originally posted by adineen98 adineen98 wrote:

My only complaints would be regarding the proposed schedule, as I'd be in favour of a February-November season. I would also prefer to see the playoffs played across two legs in the clubs own grounds rather than a one leg tie in Dublin or Belfast. 

Other than that, I'm all for this; if it paves the way for a proper pyramid system on the island, let them begin work on it. It can't be worse than what we currently have.

The NI clubs won't give up the Stephen's Day fixtures, they're their biggest of the season. It's fair enough. Compromise would have to be part of this. Potential for some great Christmas derby fixtures at the business end of the league. Season would start in April so only giving away Feb/Mar for Nov/Dec. Regular season would end 1st Jan.

The play offs being a showpiece in a major ground is a positive imo and better than a two legged affair. Four clubs involved should generate good crowds plus casual interest. Look at the difference in attendance the cup final gets at present. 


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The prospect of this happening is too good. It has to be the future, the only way successful football structure in this country could work.

But history tells is it wont work and vested interests will scupper it. Dont forget the FAI split from the IFA, but almost got back together albeit for the sake of one position someone had to give up on some board somewhere. It could be like a homecoming. Anyway both associations can exist. 

Its too exciting. It can be real can it?

Picture big matches, big derbys. Big TV coverage across Britain and Ireland showing these matches. Picture Irish players wanting to be part of it all rather than wallow in the lower leagues in England. Without doubt it would be more blockbuster north and south than what We have. And if its successful you can see how it can only become bigger.


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Don't like it at all, would mean smaller clubs like my own stuck in second or third divisions for extended periods of time, wouldn't be able to compete with the bigger clubs.

If bray win the first division they would be in a pmay off with he sixth best team in the nifl to be in this. They are currently aiming for the 14th place to receive more money than one round of europa league would net you. I struggle to see a better way for you guys to compete legitimately, bearing in mind the last time you tried to play with the big boys you nearly went bust.

Also I actually love the April-New Year's season, end of season games between big teams would be brilliant, and with the spilt you could prioritise rivalries and important ties for the Stephen's Day and NEW year's day ties. I think that's brilliant. 
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Don't like it at all, would mean smaller clubs like my own stuck in second or third divisions for extended periods of time, wouldn't be able to compete with the bigger clubs.

If bray win the first division they would be in a pmay off with he sixth best team in the nifl to be in this. They are currently aiming for the 14th place to receive more money than one round of europa league would net you. I struggle to see a better way for you guys to compete legitimately, bearing in mind the last time you tried to play with the big boys you nearly went bust.

Also I actually love the April-New Year's season, end of season games between big teams would be brilliant, and with the spilt you could prioritise rivalries and important ties for the Stephen's Day and NEW year's day ties. I think that's brilliant. 

Fair point but don't see how this league isn't that exactly? No way €10m is feasible or sustainable, can't see how it would last or not end in tears. 

While the first season will have 9 LOI teams, who knows from there? We'd now not just be competing with Longford, Galway etc but also your Newry's and Larne's, not an overly attractive proposition for me.
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More appetite in the North than down here apparently. 

If prize money at the top end is more than Euro money there's no way the likes of Linfield would pass that up. 

Smaller clubs would have a Division 1 North or South to compete in with a path to the top league which is more attractive than being a yo yo club at the moment. 14 teams in the top league including 5 from NI is only one less ROI club than in the top league at present.

I believe the €10m is long term aim. Starting point is €3.7m through TV, sponsors and cross border initiative funding. 

Our advice was 2021 was too soon and another year or two would be needed to flesh it out. 

It's in the Irish papers today as the group met with Dan McDonnell, Mark McCadden, Johnny Ward and Neil O'Riordan yesterday. There was a piece in the Belfast Telegraph earlier in the week. 


not for me it isn't, much rather be in a league with six teams competing for four spots than this. At the minute we can compete at lower end of top tier or higher end of the bottom, in the new league we're likely scrapping around for years in the second tier.

Great for the bigs teams, see zero benefit for the smaller ones - just the rich getting richer.
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14 teams is too many, the quality will be diluted. It seems great otherwise.
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Can't believe people like the idea of playoffs to decide the overall winner, what a load of sh*te.

Nothing better than winning the league at home in front of your own fans, leave the day out for the cup final

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