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I think the concern is that we hardly ever play well. When was the last time we played well? Euro 2016? 
I really don’t think we can get to 16 points playing badly and it is hard to have  hope based solely on our resilience.
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Originally posted by The Tribesman The Tribesman wrote:

In theory as a 5 team group goal difference could count, which would take into account The Gibraltar Scorelines!


For sure, but we don't really have form for hammering the small teams, not for the last 10 years at least. That doesn't make us a bad side though.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I think the concern is that we hardly ever play well. When was the last time we played well? Euro 2016? 
I really don’t think we can get to 16 points playing badly and it is hard to have  hope based solely on our resilience.
 
We played well against Georgia, but then again they're poor
 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I think the concern is that we hardly ever play well. When was the last time we played well? Euro 2016? 
I really don’t think we can get to 16 points playing badly and it is hard to have  hope based solely on our resilience.
 
We played well against Georgia, but then again they're poor
 
Comparatively. It was obviously an improvement on the end of MON's tenure and even a few days before, but it wasn't anything more than an improvement. 
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didn’t meet anyone leaving the stadiums in Vienna or Cardiff complaining. We will know where we stand after the next three games and that is all that matters as well as 10 points on the board.
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10 points I think most people will agree is what we hoped and expected to have after Monday night. For goal difference & confidence Would we have liked to score 4 home & away v Gibraltar of course.

The big tests of course are coming with Swiss X 2 , Danes at home & Georgia away. 3 months till next fixtures. Players will have had holidays, pre season, maybe move clubs, hit form, go out of form, be injured etc so I don't think Monday nights performance will have any bearing when we play Switzerland.

It's a group of two halves almost and it's a bit like qualification form being different from tournament form. But with regards to a bit of historical perspective on past results against what some might view as lesser teams see below.

We don't always play well or batter "weaker" sides by loads of goals in our group yet we can still qualify and go on to have a good tournament.


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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I think the concern is that we hardly ever play well. When was the last time we played well? Euro 2016? 
I really don’t think we can get to 16 points playing badly and it is hard to have  hope based solely on our resilience.


I would say our team has two modes: passive and aggressive.  Passive can get results, but is dire to watch. Aggressive is a more risky approach, but is far more entertaining.

We have to beat either Switzerland or Denmark at home. Two draws will be no good to us.

Realistically that means we have to be aggressive. With our poor goal-scoring record, we have to create multiple chances just to get a goal. And that means that we will give up some chances too.

Even if our best hope for a goal is a set-piece. We still have to take risks to get up the field to put pressure on the opposition and force free-kicks or corners.

So the games may not be pretty, but they should be entertaining and filled with tension. Especially if we take the lead. 

The recent match against Georgia was the perfect example of such a game.
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Pre Euro 2012 Robbies Keanes famous last words “we’re not going to make up the numbers”, laughable. Micks second reign looks destined to fail, if we’re not going to get rid of the trap/MON hangovers and play more expensive. Blooding youngsters has been put on the long finger and Doherty on the bench. No other international team would have their best player on the bench. Even if we qualify based on this last weeks performances we’ll struggle to get a single decent performance at the euros. Wes’ cross for Robbie Brady and goal against Sweden in Euro 2016 were instrumental in getting us out of that group but we’ve since failed to find an alternative number 10 to fill that void. Immensely frustrating 
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Originally posted by eddiebro eddiebro wrote:

Pre Euro 2012 Robbies Keanes famous last words “we’re not going to make up the numbers”, laughable. Micks second reign looks destined to fail, if we’re not going to get rid of the trap/MON hangovers and play more expensive. Blooding youngsters has been put on the long finger and Doherty on the bench. No other international team would have their best player on the bench. Even if we qualify based on this last weeks performances we’ll struggle to get a single decent performance at the euros. Wes’ cross for Robbie Brady and goal against Sweden in Euro 2016 were instrumental in getting us out of that group but we’ve since failed to find an alternative number 10 to fill that void. Immensely frustrating 

Spot on - Wes being a good example of someone who was overlooked a lot but was important enough to get a goal against Sweden and an assist vs Italy.

Infuriating that we insist on playing players with a proven track record of mediocrity, Whelan, mcclean and Ward have been terrible for years but continued to play.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mandrake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 11:44am
yeh, terrible v lux in firt half .. boo'd off the pitch at half time, andorra one down and then got back played well hammered them... estonia away, played ok dunne scored
sometimes performances are remembered... its international games 8 per year not club games...40 per year
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Originally posted by irelandshirts irelandshirts wrote:

10 points I think most people will agree is what we hoped and expected to have after Monday night. For goal difference & confidence Would we have liked to score 4 home & away v Gibraltar of course.

The big tests of course are coming with Swiss X 2 , Danes at home & Georgia away. 3 months till next fixtures. Players will have had holidays, pre season, maybe move clubs, hit form, go out of form, be injured etc so I don't think Monday nights performance will have any bearing when we play Switzerland.

It's a group of two halves almost and it's a bit like qualification form being different from tournament form. But with regards to a bit of historical perspective on past results against what some might view as lesser teams see below.

We don't always play well or batter "weaker" sides by loads of goals in our group yet we can still qualify and go on to have a good tournament.

May very well not bother watching any of the games at all, just check results in that case.

I think it would be fair to say we had some terrible games back then too but we also had far more really good games than we have now. 




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