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Here's some perspective from results against the minnows in our previous successful qualifying campaigns.

Euro 88 Ireland 2 Luxembourg 1 after going one nil down. 
WC 90 Ireland 2 Malta 0 (We'd beaten them 8-0 six years before). 
WC94 Beat both Albania and Lithuania 2 0 at home. 
WC 02 Ireland 3 Andorra 1 after going one down. 
Euro 12 Ireland 3 Andorra 1. 
Euro 16 We put Gibraltar to the sword but struggled against Georgia.

We've been having games where we struggle against the minnows in successful campaigns as long as I remember and with far better teams, It didn't prevent us raising our game against the better teams. All about the 3 remaining games against the Swiss and Danes.
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Here's some perspective from results against the minnows in our previous successful qualifying campaigns.

Euro 88 Ireland 2 Luxembourg 1 after going one nil down. 
WC 90 Ireland 2 Malta 0 (We'd beaten them 8-0 six years before). 
WC94 Beat both Albania and Lithuania 2 0 at home. 
WC 02 Ireland 3 Andorra 1 after going one down. 
Euro 12 Ireland 3 Andorra 1. 
Euro 16 We put Gibraltar to the sword but struggled against Georgia.

We've been having games where we struggle against the minnows in successful campaigns as long as I remember and with far better teams, It didn't prevent us raising our game against the better teams. All about the 3 remaining games against the Swiss and Danes.
I know the last campaign wasn’t successful but we finished 2nd having only drawn away to Georgia, 3 draws against the top 3 seeds at home and our results against Moldova were far from spectacular 3-1 away and 2-0 at home.
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Here's some perspective from results against the minnows in our previous successful qualifying campaigns.

Euro 88 Ireland 2 Luxembourg 1 after going one nil down. 
WC 90 Ireland 2 Malta 0 (We'd beaten them 8-0 six years before). 
WC94 Beat both Albania and Lithuania 2 0 at home. 
WC 02 Ireland 3 Andorra 1 after going one down. 
Euro 12 Ireland 3 Andorra 1. 
Euro 16 We put Gibraltar to the sword but struggled against Georgia.

We've been having games where we struggle against the minnows in successful campaigns as long as I remember and with far better teams, It didn't prevent us raising our game against the better teams. All about the 3 remaining games against the Swiss and Danes.

Fully agree with this.  Another fixture worth mentioning is Ireland v Faroe Islands in October 2004.  Brian Kerr had a team which included Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, Damien Duff, Stephen Carr and Steve Finnan.  The Irish team had drawn in Paris four days earlier, but only beat the Faroes 2-0 at home.  One of the goals was a penalty.  If that Irish team hadn't dropped points against Israel and lost at home to France, they were pretty close to qualifying.
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Here's some perspective from results against the minnows in our previous successful qualifying campaigns.

Euro 88 Ireland 2 Luxembourg 1 after going one nil down. 
WC 90 Ireland 2 Malta 0 (We'd beaten them 8-0 six years before). 
WC94 Beat both Albania and Lithuania 2 0 at home. 
WC 02 Ireland 3 Andorra 1 after going one down. 
Euro 12 Ireland 3 Andorra 1. 
Euro 16 We put Gibraltar to the sword but struggled against Georgia.

We've been having games where we struggle against the minnows in successful campaigns as long as I remember and with far better teams, It didn't prevent us raising our game against the better teams. All about the 3 remaining games against the Swiss and Danes.
The problem isn’t really that we struggled to beat Gibraltar, it is more that we really aren’t creating chances. We have had two home games against weaker opposition and while we dominated possession, we created very little. We also created little in Gibraltar and of the four games played, Randolph has had to prove his worth in three of them.


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Originally posted by JohnSwift JohnSwift wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Here's some perspective from results against the minnows in our previous successful qualifying campaigns.

Euro 88 Ireland 2 Luxembourg 1 after going one nil down. 
WC 90 Ireland 2 Malta 0 (We'd beaten them 8-0 six years before). 
WC94 Beat both Albania and Lithuania 2 0 at home. 
WC 02 Ireland 3 Andorra 1 after going one down. 
Euro 12 Ireland 3 Andorra 1. 
Euro 16 We put Gibraltar to the sword but struggled against Georgia.

We've been having games where we struggle against the minnows in successful campaigns as long as I remember and with far better teams, It didn't prevent us raising our game against the better teams. All about the 3 remaining games against the Swiss and Danes.

Fully agree with this.  Another fixture worth mentioning is Ireland v Faroe Islands in October 2004.  Brian Kerr had a team which included Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, Damien Duff, Stephen Carr and Steve Finnan.  The Irish team had drawn in Paris four days earlier, but only beat the Faroes 2-0 at home.  One of the goals was a penalty.  If that Irish team hadn't dropped points against Israel and lost at home to France, they were pretty close to qualifying.
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Originally posted by JohnSwift JohnSwift wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Here's some perspective from results against the minnows in our previous successful qualifying campaigns.

Euro 88 Ireland 2 Luxembourg 1 after going one nil down. 
WC 90 Ireland 2 Malta 0 (We'd beaten them 8-0 six years before). 
WC94 Beat both Albania and Lithuania 2 0 at home. 
WC 02 Ireland 3 Andorra 1 after going one down. 
Euro 12 Ireland 3 Andorra 1. 
Euro 16 We put Gibraltar to the sword but struggled against Georgia.

We've been having games where we struggle against the minnows in successful campaigns as long as I remember and with far better teams, It didn't prevent us raising our game against the better teams. All about the 3 remaining games against the Swiss and Danes.

Fully agree with this.  Another fixture worth mentioning is Ireland v Faroe Islands in October 2004.  Brian Kerr had a team which included Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, Damien Duff, Stephen Carr and Steve Finnan.  The Irish team had drawn in Paris four days earlier, but only beat the Faroes 2-0 at home.  One of the goals was a penalty.  If that Irish team hadn't dropped points against Israel and lost at home to France, they were pretty close to qualifying.

Correct. There's loads of examples from unsuccessful campaigns as well but I was just looking at the ones we qualified out of. In fact, in that campaign if we hadn't thrown away leads home and away against Israel then we'd have topped the group even with the loss to France.  
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Here's some perspective from results against the minnows in our previous successful qualifying campaigns.

Euro 88 Ireland 2 Luxembourg 1 after going one nil down. 
WC 90 Ireland 2 Malta 0 (We'd beaten them 8-0 six years before). 
WC94 Beat both Albania and Lithuania 2 0 at home. 
WC 02 Ireland 3 Andorra 1 after going one down. 
Euro 12 Ireland 3 Andorra 1. 
Euro 16 We put Gibraltar to the sword but struggled against Georgia.

We've been having games where we struggle against the minnows in successful campaigns as long as I remember and with far better teams, It didn't prevent us raising our game against the better teams. All about the 3 remaining games against the Swiss and Danes.
The problem isn’t really that we struggled to beat Gibraltar, it is more that we really aren’t creating chances. We have had two home games against weaker opposition and while we dominated possession, we created very little. We also created little in Gibraltar and of the four games played, Randolph has had to prove his worth in three of them.


We created enough chances to put 4 or 5 on Gibraltar despite not playing well. Two goals, McGoldrick off the post, McGoldrick when he seemed to be caught between cushioning it towards McClean or putting his foot through it, Hogan when he didn't connect with the header. Pretty sure there's a couple more I can't think off off the top of my head.

Against Denmark we had the goal and the two chances where McClean simply needed to square the ball rather than take the shot on. We're creating far more than we did under MON. It's taking them that's the problem.


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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Here's some perspective from results against the minnows in our previous successful qualifying campaigns.

Euro 88 Ireland 2 Luxembourg 1 after going one nil down. 
WC 90 Ireland 2 Malta 0 (We'd beaten them 8-0 six years before). 
WC94 Beat both Albania and Lithuania 2 0 at home. 
WC 02 Ireland 3 Andorra 1 after going one down. 
Euro 12 Ireland 3 Andorra 1. 
Euro 16 We put Gibraltar to the sword but struggled against Georgia.

We've been having games where we struggle against the minnows in successful campaigns as long as I remember and with far better teams, It didn't prevent us raising our game against the better teams. All about the 3 remaining games against the Swiss and Danes.

Lichtenstein in 1995 and San Marino in 2007 can be easily forgotten. Taking 30 minutes to score against Lichtenstein in 1997, almost dropping points in Malta in 1999 after taking a 2 goal lead. Not scoring more than 5 in a single game for over 30 years. The game in Astana in 2012, the list goes on and on.

And that doesn’t even mention the games against relative minows like Cyprus, Albania etc in the recent past.
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These qualifying campaigns are a hard slog, especially for the non top tier sides. Performances can be all over the place, you're in a constant battle just to get the points. Trying to judge us as a team based on how we played against Gibraltar is ludicrous stuff, you're not going to learn too much in a game like that.
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Here's some perspective from results against the minnows in our previous successful qualifying campaigns.

Euro 88 Ireland 2 Luxembourg 1 after going one nil down. 
WC 90 Ireland 2 Malta 0 (We'd beaten them 8-0 six years before). 
WC94 Beat both Albania and Lithuania 2 0 at home. 
WC 02 Ireland 3 Andorra 1 after going one down. 
Euro 12 Ireland 3 Andorra 1. 
Euro 16 We put Gibraltar to the sword but struggled against Georgia.

We've been having games where we struggle against the minnows in successful campaigns as long as I remember and with far better teams, It didn't prevent us raising our game against the better teams. All about the 3 remaining games against the Swiss and Danes.
The problem isn’t really that we struggled to beat Gibraltar, it is more that we really aren’t creating chances. We have had two home games against weaker opposition and while we dominated possession, we created very little. We also created little in Gibraltar and of the four games played, Randolph has had to prove his worth in three of them.


We created enough chances to put 4 or 5 on Gibraltar despite not playing well. Two goals, McGoldrick off the post, McGoldrick when he seemed to be caught between cushioning it towards McClean or putting his foot through it, Hogan when he didn't connect with the header. Pretty sure there's a couple more I can't think off off the top of my head.

Against Denmark we had the goal and the two chances where McClean simply needed to square the ball rather than take the shot on. We're creating far more than we did under MON. It's taking them that's the problem.
We are creating a little bit more, but I also feel we are giving up more chances than the last campaign. The Danes, while showing us far too much respect, particularly in the first half, they really started to open us up with one slight tactical change
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superdave thanks a million for that post finally i am getting on top of this thing.. 

i think our next game defines all. if we lose to swiss then we'll need snookers. 
if we draw then we can hope to go undefeated by setting up very tight away to swiss and georgia and then by drawing with denmark at home , the other results will then define what place we get .
if we win the momentum will be huge and we are very close to qualifying indeed and the buzz will be back. 
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probably about time we started putting these teams to the sword rather than taking the stance that things have always been a certain way

its not a big price that all the games between us, Denmark and Switzerland end in draws, and we'll be out on our arse probably

we should be showing ambition and attacking verve not just settling for routine wins
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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

The opening post doesn't make sense. People (I'll include meself) who thought we were rubbish V Gib last night should look at Austria & Sweden struggling, while we have 10 points, so therefore its all OK ?? 

Surely it is the other way around, putting things into 'perspective' means acknowledging that the Swiss & Danes will also get 6pts V Gib (only they'll both score far more goals), and last night's performance doesn't really bode well for tougher games ahead against those 2. 

And I see somewhere else in the thread that Georgia away has been chalked down as a win again. Just like last time so. And the time Scotland only had to turn up & beat them. Georgia near enough always get at least one good result in Tbilisi and take points from one of the bigger contenders. Maybe this time it will be the Swiss or Danes that fall victim to it, but looking at our last 2 performances there, and our continuing struggle for goals, we're probably the most likely candidates. Perspective. 

No disrespect to Austria or Sweden or Russia or whoever, but I really couldn't give a fcuk how they are getting on, whether struggling or otherwise, and don't see how that is going to affect us one way or another. If we don't qualify, consoling ourselves with the thought that (say) Sweden, a far better team on paper, didn't qualify either, isn't going to make anything better. 








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For what it's worth we have to be a bit braver as well. We can't just beat the sh*te teams and hope the big teams f**k up. 

We need to beat Denmark or Switzerland at home. Or at least take the game to them. I believe Mick will do this in September but it may not work. All I** want is for us to have a go and take a chance. Not put 10 behind the ball and pray we don't concede. 

If we have a go and don't qualify so be it. I've enough of the hit and hope and rubbish MON used to put us through:
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- Serbia 
- Austria 
- Wales

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Originally posted by Jimmy Raggatip Jimmy Raggatip wrote:

probably about time we started putting these teams to the sword rather than taking the stance that things have always been a certain way

its not a big price that all the games between us, Denmark and Switzerland end in draws, and we'll be out on our arse probably

we should be showing ambition and attacking verve not just settling for routine wins

No one is taking any stance that I can see. Just pointing out that we routinely struggle to put these teams to the sword yet generally beat them and it doesn't seem to impact on how we play against the bigger teams. I wish it wasn't that way and I don't know why it is but it's been like that for generations. 
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No one is taking any stance that I can see. Just pointing out that we routinely struggle to put these teams to the sword yet generally beat them and it doesn't seem to impact on how we play against the bigger teams. I wish it wasn't that way and I don't know why it is but it's been like that for generations. 

100% : it seems to make no difference whether we beat a team like Gibraltar 1-0 or 7-0, it has zero impact on how we play against the bigger teams. People are reading way too much into the result / performance the other night.
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In theory as a 5 team group goal difference could count, which would take into account The Gibraltar Scorelines!



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The perspective is that we've been here before. Since the Charlton era there's been a doggedness about Ireland.

With good or bad teams we have maintained a competitive level of performance against better teams than us for decades, apart from a few odd occasions - the Staunton era and the end of O'Neill's reign.

There's an accepted standard. Even if we don't have the best players, the internal culture of the team is one that they are expected to run themselves into the ground, defend like their lives depend on it, and keep going until the very end, because, no matter how a game has gone, we'll always get one chance to score. Even if it's in the 91st minute.

Our team would never go to Hungary and lose, for example, And certainly not with the type of players that Wales have available to them.

Our players are too bloody-minded for that to happen. And that's why games versus Gibraltar etc, will have little bearing on how we play against the likes of Switzerland or Denmark.


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