Official- The Orange State is Dead

Demographics alone won't be enough (unless completely lob sided). 

Edited by t_rAndy - 22 Sep 2022 at 6:36pm

Green Cockade wrote: The “Northern Irish” category was thrown in as a deliberately mischievous construct. Anyone from Derry, Belfast etc is factually that so you would have literal minded people of a nationalist/ republican ethos ticking that box as well as drum banging Kyle Lafferty types. There is no way of knowing the proportions making up the overall group and the question was designed to that end. What will ultimately seal the fate of this sectarian statelet is the inability of political unionism to reinvent itself sufficiently to include or attract anyone outside the borders of its own inbred paranoid dystopia.

Bryson and Allister and similar bigots have spent the day telling everyone that they have a lot of Catholic friends who are unionist 

Green Cockade wrote: The “Northern Irish” category was thrown in as a deliberately mischievous construct. Anyone from Derry, Belfast etc is factually that so you would have literal minded people of a nationalist/ republican ethos ticking that box as well as drum banging Kyle Lafferty types. There is no way of knowing the proportions making up the overall group and the question was designed to that end. What will ultimately seal the fate of this sectarian statelet is the inability of political unionism to reinvent itself sufficiently to include or attract anyone outside the borders of its own inbred paranoid dystopia.

The more the English/ DUP f**k over the North you'll see many of those who consider themselves Northern Irish (mostly the younger generation with no experience of the troubles) looking south and seeing a better future. Its already in motion. Religious and anti everything bullsh*t from the DUP is not welcome from the more Liberal youth and that will be the game changer.

Edited by drog addict - 23 Sep 2022 at 8:11am

Deane wrote: It will be hard to convince a lot of "middle-ground" people in the North to vote for a UI these days.  All they will read on the news is Housing Crisis this, Heath care crisis that, self-interested politicians. Although these problems exist in the North and the UK of course but they are seen to not be near as bad. Brexit and the NI protocol actually benefits businesses that export as well so they would want to keep that, that would probably be part of the UI deal anyway. An arrangement for trade between the UK and the Common Travel area.  In saying that I do think it will happen, could be another decade though.  Unionism keeps shooting themselves in the foot and SF are being clever and progressive which is helping matters.

inlikeflynn wrote: t_rAndy wrote: The public sector is around 30% of direct employment up there. What would be the plan for those jobs, how would they fall under the Irish public sector after they Nexit? How many jobs would need to be replaced and what would they be replaced with? After a successful Unity referendum, you need to have all the institutions which Northern Ireland currently has separately from England, but separate from Ireland.  So a Northern Ireland Assembly, Northern Ireland Civil Service, PSNI, school system, legal framework. But you’re sending TDs to Leinster House to influence the operation of that instead of MPs to Westminster. Reunification will be a slow road and having a border poll, followed by Gardaí on the streets of Belfast and kids doing their leaving cert the next day, won’t work. I think that legal reunification by referendum in my lifetime is an inevitability, but that a 32 Ireland that looks the same is not.