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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Ben Lowry fuming LOLLOL
 
yeah I couldn't quite believe it that this whole mess was somehow the shinners faults that HMG the Conservative and unionist party facilitated it - he looked like he was going to combust  ( maybe a hangover for cash for ash)
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Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Some performance from Regina Doherty on TonightVMTV. Hard to know who was the hardline Unionist, Herself or Wells 

She is an utter **** of the highest order. She's so f**king argumentative it's unbelievable. 


She was argumentative for the sake of it last night, she even went against what her own parties leaders had said earlier in the day. And then retorted “I’m allowed my opinion Matt” LOL
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yeh Carruthers had to rein him in. 
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Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

What’s a new leader going to do?
The Irish language act is being passed westminister have confirmed 
And the EU are hardly changing the Brexit protocol at this stage 
Also, and I was chatting to someone earlier about this, surely at some point (maybe behind the scenes they have or are doing so) they will start to grate London and burn bridges? Are we approaching the day where The PM of said day starts to publicly denounce Northern Unionism?

This is very true. They are running out of friends in London. 
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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

What’s a new leader going to do?
The Irish language act is being passed westminister have confirmed 
And the EU are hardly changing the Brexit protocol at this stage 

Could be in for a rocky summer. Wee Seamie wants to bring the UVF down for parade in Dublin, not to provoke anyone he says! Can't see that going any other way than when Willie Frazer tried the same years ago. 

Violence is the only hand that Loyalism has left to play and that's worrying 

In the same Pat Kenny interview he thought it incredulous that his county (the UK) could be partitioned against the wishes of the majority. I sh*t you not. 
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 Loyalist paramilitaries warn next DUP leader to ‘stop concessions to Sinn Fein’
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The Belfast Telegraph are reporting that Paul Givan has been asked to resign by the DUP. No source given though.

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A by election will be called if Jeffrey Donaldson wins. The DUP vote and UUP will split. The Alliance will probably win. SF and the SDLP would be wise not to run a candidate.
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Originally posted by Jackal Jackal wrote:

A by election will be called if Jeffrey Donaldson wins. The DUP vote and UUP will split. The Alliance will probably win. SF and the SDLP would be wise not to run a candidate.

Why would that be out of curiosity?

Mad mad situation 
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Originally posted by Jackal Jackal wrote:

The Belfast Telegraph are reporting that Paul Givan has been asked to resign by the DUP. No source given though.

Looks to be true. The BBC are reporting it. 
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by Jackal Jackal wrote:

A by election will be called if Jeffrey Donaldson wins. The DUP vote and UUP will split. The Alliance will probably win. SF and the SDLP would be wise not to run a candidate.

Why would that be out of curiosity?

Mad mad situation 
So Alliance get the seat that both SF and SDLP have no chance of winning.
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by Jackal Jackal wrote:

A by election will be called if Jeffrey Donaldson wins. The DUP vote and UUP will split. The Alliance will probably win. SF and the SDLP would be wise not to run a candidate.

Why would that be out of curiosity?

Mad mad situation 
It's a Unionist constituency. SF and SDLP at most would get a combined 20% of the vote. If they both sit out and let their voters vote for the Alliance party then the unionist vote may split. 
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Very good. Would there be a genuine chance of them losing the seat? 
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Very good. Would there be a genuine chance of them losing the seat? 
Ya, they have an ancient electoral system where you don't need a majority of votes to get elected. If 30% vote for DUP, 30% vote for UUP and 40% vote Alliance then the 60% Unionist vote is split and the Alliance win.
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Not for Westminster elections. It's first past the post. Alliance were from memory around 6,000 behind Donaldson last time but difficult to know who would run for the DUP if he vacated his seat and is co-opted to the Assembly, where most of the party MLAs do not want him. There are no safe seats for the DUP at the moment, they are in a terminal mess of their own making. What can one say except....hahahahahahaha.
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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

Not for Westminster elections. It's first past the post.
Ya, that's what I was on about. A combined unionist vote could be 60% and they'd still lose. No hope of a single unionist candidate either.
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good summary of the mess they are and timeline of the weeks developments


What happens if when next MLA elections happen the unionist vote is split further and there is no clear majority unionist party?

If the DUP don’t come to the table and agree to form am assembly can the next in line Unionist party take up the 2nd minister office (I’m assuming a SF majority next time around)?
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