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If you're a 20 year old Irish striker starting in the Premier League in 2024, you should be straight into the Senior Squad.  Simples. 
 
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

If you're a 20 year old Irish striker starting in the Premier League in 2024, you should be straight into the Senior Squad.  Simples. 
 

He's not Irish though. Which is a) the reason you want to cap tie him and b) the reason he'd likely turn down any such attempts to do so.

There are about 8 or 9 forward players ahead of him on merit. Obafemi started a couple of PL games not that long ago and now you're advocating someone like him dropping out for Fraser? It doesn't work like that. It's not a merry-go-round.
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

If you're a 20 year old Irish striker starting in the Premier League in 2024, you should be straight into the Senior Squad.  Simples. 
 

Instead of who? 
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Afolabi was in the one of the last squads lads - there's room.

If it's an issue: either have bigger squads - wasn't an issue in MON's time and don't see why it should be problem now. 

or have him in ahead of anyone of Obafemi, Sinclair Armstrong, Andy Moran, even Robinson.

If you're starting in the Premier League in 2024, you're good enough for our senior squad.  Full stop. 




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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Afolabi was in the one of the last squads lads - there's room.

If it's an issue: either have bigger squads - wasn't an issue in MON's time and don't see why it should be problem now. 

or have him in ahead of anyone of Obafemi, Sinclair Armstrong, Andy Moran, even Robinson.

If you're starting in the Premier League in 2024, you're good enough for our senior squad.  Full stop. 


 

He has started one game. 
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Afolabi was in the one of the last squads lads - there's room.

If it's an issue: either have bigger squads - wasn't an issue in MON's time and don't see why it should be problem now. 

or have him in ahead of anyone of Obafemi, Sinclair Armstrong, Andy Moran, even Robinson.

If you're starting in the Premier League in 2024, you're good enough for our senior squad.  Full stop. 



Afolabi was there because of the massive amount of injuries. One of Ferguson, Idah, Parrott, Szmodics, Ogbene or Johnston would have to drop out for Frazer to even be considered. Frazer is a decent prospect but he should be in the u21 squad right now where he'll start on bench behind Armstrong. 
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Same silliness going on when Hodge got one or two games for Wolves. Meanwhile he's now on the bench more often than not for a team fighting relegation from the Championship. And I'm not having a go at Hodge - he may be an option in a position we are extremely light in in the future - but it's reactionary stuff talking about throwing lads like this in as soon as they get any game time in the Premier League, regardless of extenuating circumstances and how they're performing. Not to mention he wouldn't necessarily accept a call-up to begin with see Tom Cannon.
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Originally posted by razzmatazaz razzmatazaz wrote:

Same silliness going on when Hodge got one or two games for Wolves. Meanwhile he's now on the bench more often than not for a team fighting relegation from the Championship. And I'm not having a go at Hodge - he may be an option in a position we are extremely light in in the future - but it's reactionary stuff talking about throwing lads like this in as soon as they get any game time in the Premier League, regardless of extenuating circumstances and how they're performing. Not to mention he wouldn't necessarily accept a call-up to begin with see Tom Cannon.

Perfectly put. Cannon wouldn't be in squad on merit at the moment either and everyone lost their minds over him.
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Capping players for the sake of it has worked for the north and Wales.. starting a prem league match should certainly put him on the radar. We've two meaningless games with a caretaker manage, f**kin cap every elligible carrot going 
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Everything I said last month still applies:

Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Yes, cap him.

An 18yo striker good enough to be getting first team minutes for a PL club more than warrants a cap. He can go back with the U21s after.

If he refuses a senior cap, or wants time to consider his options, that's fine, give him time, but then you don't pick him for the U21s where he's taking caps from other players while he's uncommitted. 

We have a hard enough time producing our own players without wittingly producing players for other nations on top of that.

What you also don't do is start picking him for the U21s, while being scared to ask him if he wants a senior cap, because you just want to cross your fingers and hope he sticks with us.
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Originally posted by Celticbhoy32 Celticbhoy32 wrote:

Capping players for the sake of it has worked for the north and Wales.. starting a prem league match should certainly put him on the radar. We've two meaningless games with a caretaker manage, f**kin cap every elligible carrot going 

But again, who are you going to leave out? You'd rather piss off a good established player in the hope that a young guy might be good?
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He hasn't earned his place in the senior squad yet, but he should probably be starting for the U-21's. In saying that, I wouldn't mind him being in the senior squad just to see Hotlips Hoolahan/Razzmatazaz/Propagandhi/Sloop John G/ Snoop Eric/Bohsfan84 head explode - it would be so traumatic he'd probably have to take another extended break before returning with yet another sock puppet account.
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Originally posted by Razors left peg Razors left peg wrote:

Originally posted by Celticbhoy32 Celticbhoy32 wrote:

Capping players for the sake of it has worked for the north and Wales.. starting a prem league match should certainly put him on the radar. We've two meaningless games with a caretaker manage, f**kin cap every elligible carrot going 

But again, who are you going to leave out? You'd rather piss off a good established player in the hope that a young guy might be good?


There's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to secure/grow our player pool.

You don't have to leave anyone out, it's 2 friendlies, everyone can get minutes. The squads are announced on Thursday, call him up to the seniors & tell him the plan is to cap him. If he declines then you know where you stand & can focus on the players that are are committed, both for the seniors & U21s.

If he accepts, let him play the U21s game vs San Marino (March 22nd) and bring him in for the Switzerland game on the 26th.


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Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by Razors left peg Razors left peg wrote:

Originally posted by Celticbhoy32 Celticbhoy32 wrote:

Capping players for the sake of it has worked for the north and Wales.. starting a prem league match should certainly put him on the radar. We've two meaningless games with a caretaker manage, f**kin cap every elligible carrot going 

But again, who are you going to leave out? You'd rather piss off a good established player in the hope that a young guy might be good?


There's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to secure/grow our player pool.

You don't have to leave anyone out, it's 2 friendlies, everyone can get minutes. The squads are announced on Thursday, call him up to the seniors & tell him the plan is to cap him. If he declines then you know where you stand & can focus on the players that are are committed, both for the seniors & U21s.

If he accepts, let him play the U21s game vs San Marino (March 22nd) and bring him in for the Switzerland game on the 26th.


..and what if he accepts the call up, plays both games then does a Declan Rice and f**ks off anyway later in the year anyway?

2 caps robbed from players who deserve them more and want to play for their country and absolutely nothing gained.

Its nonsense.


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Originally posted by Celticbhoy32 Celticbhoy32 wrote:

Capping players for the sake of it has worked for the north and Wales.. starting a prem league match should certainly put him on the radar. We've two meaningless games with a caretaker manage, f**kin cap every elligible carrot going 

Has it? I thought Wales were back in the doldrums with Bale, Ramsey and Allen (all Welsh born) aging out. As infuriating as it is from our side that he declared for them, Conor Bradley isn't single-handedly going to transform Northern Ireland's fortunes either. 
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Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by Razors left peg Razors left peg wrote:

Originally posted by Celticbhoy32 Celticbhoy32 wrote:

Capping players for the sake of it has worked for the north and Wales.. starting a prem league match should certainly put him on the radar. We've two meaningless games with a caretaker manage, f**kin cap every elligible carrot going 


But again, who are you going to leave out? You'd rather piss off a good established player in the hope that a young guy might be good?


There's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to secure/grow our player pool.

You don't have to leave anyone out, it's 2 friendlies, everyone can get minutes. The squads are announced on Thursday, call him up to the seniors & tell him the plan is to cap him. If he declines then you know where you stand & can focus on the players that are are committed, both for the seniors & U21s.

If he accepts, let him play the U21s game vs San Marino (March 22nd) and bring him in for the Switzerland game on the 26th.



..and what if he accepts the call up, plays both games then does a Declan Rice and f**ks off anyway later in the year anyway?

2 caps robbed from players who deserve them more and want to play for their country and absolutely nothing gained.

Its nonsense.



If he plays in March and then decides he's English then he has to wait until March 2027 I believe before he can switch. Which I doubt would happen because he'd either take the caps cause he wants to play for us or will turn down the call up to avoid being tied to us for the next three years at a minimum.
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Some lads would have us constantly picking an u17s team, just in case they are good LOL
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Originally posted by Razors left peg Razors left peg wrote:

Some lads would have us constantly picking an u17s team, just in case they are good LOL

*Not if they're born in Dublin and ineligible for other countries though.
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