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9fingers
Paul McGrath Ballymun Resident #MONKEANO Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 16144 |
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I really don’t think it is. That Georgia match will live with me forever.
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horsebox
Robbie Keane Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 34894 |
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We should have beat them and we didn't, and we only needed a point from the game which we got anyway.
McCarthy still brought us in to the last game of the group with the possibility of qualifying. |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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9fingers
Paul McGrath Ballymun Resident #MONKEANO Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 16144 |
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I’m not denying that, I’m more emphasizing how bad that Georgia performance was and that we were already on the slide when Mick came in, obviously SK has exacerbated that despite giving some hope ar the start. But the football largely under Mick and definitely under Martin in the last 12/18 months was brutal
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You Tell Me
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 6773 |
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In fairness to him it couldn't be anything else with the squad we had at that point. He was extremely pragmatic in his approach and he almost pulled off what would have been an unbelievable achievement getting out of that group with those players.
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ConorMac77
Ray Houghton Joined: 22 Apr 2015 Location: Newry Status: Offline Points: 3693 |
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Worse than the one in 2017? Really? That's the one that will haunt me - the depressing experience of watching a team of supposed professionals playing like a pub team that had only just met and treated the ball like it was a grenade with the pin removed.
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The nation holds it's breath...YES, WE'RE THERE!!!
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32815 |
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The point is that w we have been pretty sh*t since the 2017 after having an excellent qualifying group under O Neill which was better than the 2016. 2018-2023 has been 6 years of sh*te.
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AKA pedantic kunt
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9563 |
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Where is the exaggeration then? Did we not limp past Gibraltar twice? Did we not give one of our most irredeemable performances in living memory in Georgia? Were the Swiss and Danes not clearly better sides than us (or was it pure luck that the Swiss made the QF's, and the Danes the SF's, of the actual bloody competition we were trying to qualify for)?? Go on then, where is it?
Edited by The O'Shea - 19 Nov 2023 at 11:06am |
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We're decent enough..
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The Tribesman
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 09 May 2012 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 336 |
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Every country in the western world is facing a one similar issue - children today are more likely to play football on the street on the playstation/PC than on the street! Most of the rest of Europe hasn't been as badly affected by this. Why? Because the level of funding especially state funding they get is far more than here and linked to it the standard of coaching or perhaps more correctly coach education isn't great!
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horsebox
Robbie Keane Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 34894 |
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Mick never got an opportunity to prepare the team for the campaign. It was straight into the qualifiers. We beat Gib home and away as expected. 3 draws against Denmark and Switzerland is really good all things considered and then 4 points of Georgia. I'm not doubting the Georgia away game was very poor, because it was. But we were still in with a chance of a top 2 finish right up to the last game. We were competitive throughout the group . We have NOT completed in the campaigns under Kenny. |
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32815 |
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What Kenny did needed doing. However he is clearly not the man to take this generations of players forward. The next manager has a decent platform to work from. However we do ultimately have poor enough players at the highest level.
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9563 |
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We didn't compete in the euro 2020 group either. We had a kind run of opening fixtures with our first 4 games including Gibraltar x2 and Georgia at home. After that, we didn't win another game (so 1 win in our last 5 games). We finished 3 points behind the Danes and 4 behind the Swiss - it was quite comfortable for them, they were never in any real danger of missing out. Our seeding was 3rd and we finished 3rd, it was at best a par performance.
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We're decent enough..
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Jimmy Raggatip
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yep. It was luck of the fixtures that had us in with a shout at the end. Kenny has pretty much always had his tougher fixtures front-loaded away to Serbia, away to Portugal in first 3 games home to France, away to Greece, away to France 3 of the first 4 |
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50%lesssugar&salt
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Luxembourg at home was the second game of that campaign
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Eoink21
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Scales is the future and Collins is a hopeful,? Jaysis.
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Terzino
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McCarthy's second spell was not as bad as some are making out. Georgia and Switzerland away were poor but the other games were good enough. Ireland ended the game in Copenhagen as the stronger team for instance.
Switzerland really let us down in that group. They completely outplayed Denmark in their two games with them, but inexplicably only took 1 point from what should have been 6. In anyway, playing Denmark at home for automatic qualification is exactly what people would have wanted when the draw was made. McGoldrick was the standout player for McCarthy, and Kenny should have done everything to try and keep him on board when he took over. He was exactly the kind of player who could have flourished in an Ireland team that played more ball.
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Cabra Hoop
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Just had a look at tables for all 7 of the 5 team groups, groups A-G and Ireland and Lithuania with 6 points each have the lowest points total of any of the 4th placed teams, and Ireland are the only 4th place team who did not get any points from the 3 teams above them in their respective groups.
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9563 |
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Probably because the 3 teams ahead of us are amongst the strongest from their seeding groups. The performances have not been good enough, but the draw is the worst we've ever had for a qualification group.
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We're decent enough..
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Cabra Hoop
Roy Keane Joined: 06 Feb 2012 Location: Royal County Status: Offline Points: 10847 |
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