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Ray Houghton
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by notpropaganda73 notpropaganda73 wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

I suppose I don't know why there has to be a word for it. The word itself is a very recent invention. I think what it does is conflate not liking an idea and not liking a race. Which is inaccurate 

It's perfectly logical to not like Islam and have no problem with Muslims. 

It's perfectly logical to not like Christianity and have no problem with Christians.

I actually don't agree with that at all. If you have an issue with their faith, and they are full practicing believers, the logic would follow that you have a problem with the person, surely? 

What would you call prejudice against Muslims if not Islamophobia? I don't think a word being "recent" is really a reason to say it has very little meaning either. It clearly has a meaning that is widely understood. I'm still pretty confused by your point. I don't want to put words in your mouth but are you essentially saying you can hate Islam (or maybe fundamentalist Islam in particular) and don't believe that makes you an Islamophobe? 

And does antisemitism fall into the same bracket for you, or it's acceptable because it's an older idea? Homophobia? 

I suppose I think it's a loaded phrase. I don't think disliking an idea or set of ideas should be met with a label that is so harsh. In regards to homophobia, it's a false equivalence because homosexuality isn't a belief system. 

I would call prejudice against Muslims racism.

And with regards to disliking a person because of their beliefs, no, not necessarily. I have family members very near and dear to me who have beliefs that I dislike. I assume that's quite common in Ireland given our close history with the church.
Well said and Islam itself is actually homophobic in its very nature. Do is Christianity and Judaism. I'm not sure about the other religions. 
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Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

I suppose I don't know why there has to be a word for it. The word itself is a very recent invention. I think what it does is conflate not liking an idea and not liking a race. Which is inaccurate 

It's perfectly logical to not like Islam and have no problem with Muslims. 

It's perfectly logical to not like Christianity and have no problem with Christians. 
I don't think it's about disliking the religion so much as it's about using that dislike to be prejudiced against members of the religion.

E.g. You don't like a certain verse from the Quran, which is fine. But you then use that verse to promulgate theories that Muslims are planning to take over the West and kill infidels. That's the cross into Islamophobia.

said it better than I could ^
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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

In and out of this thread..can you pinpoint said racist tweets?
Ger, thats not what he said, he's been accused of sharing tweets from far-right, anti-immigrant, whatever you'd like to call it, SM accounts and making other comments that echo those accounts.

For a start, he has linked several tweets to Visegrad 24, a "news" account solely on Twitter afaik. founded by self proclaimed far-right Stefan Thompson as he felt, in his own words, "wasn't enough speech for the far-right".

The post were he stated: "These people are mentally ill and we should not be lining up to take large numbers of refugees from a culture like this. Unless you want more instances like Sligo." also ended with a link to a tweet from Visegrad. 

He was called out on this by multiple posters, including a mod, for spreading right wing nonsense.

He also has posted links to tweets from far-right, anti-immigration, Tommy Robinson advocate, David Atherton. 

He has also posted links to the vile racist David Vance and we all know his colourful views. 

He chimed into the Asling Murphy thread with a link to a tweet from a Twitter account reposting the Gripts John McGuirks tweets. 

On the Crime thread, his first contribution was a tweet to an alleged picture of the man who carried out the knife attacks and the tweet/account was saying how "Ireland is ready to explode" and the tweets from that account are of the same tone as those from the above accounts. Now, this is just taking a look at the recent links he has posted, so I'd be pretty sure there'd be more.

He's been a constant across three threads or anything that has something to do with foreign nationals or immigration.

Are we honestly supposed to believe that it's one massive coincidence that the links to tweets he has consistently posted are all from accounts that are aligned to the same far-right, anti-immigrant thought process? And when he's called out on them, he plays the ignorance card and doesn't know who they are? 

And this is without the whole freeloading foreigners rhetoric, labelling posters Hamas supporters/stans, MAGA whatever, demons, asking how posters can support Russia and Palestine bla, bla, bla. 

This isn't a "difference of opinion". This is one posters constant link to far-right, anti-immigration bullsh*t and I'd have no argument with anyone comparing or equating that to racism, they're two cheeks from the same arse. And they've the neck to call other posters trolls or whatever for calling out their bulls*t. 

You can have your opinion on immigration, Palestine/Israel or whatever but, the above sh*te needs calling out when posted. 


This, to me, suggests he had been openly racist?


"You've been caught out here already sharing tweets by far right accounts and spouting racist and Islamaphobic nonsense."


Sharing information from extremely questionable accounts doesn't warrant a bam.
Naked racism does. 
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Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

This, to me, suggests he had been openly racist?

"You've been caught out here already sharing tweets by far right accounts and spouting racist and Islamaphobic nonsense."

Sharing information from extremely questionable accounts doesn't warrant a bam.
Naked racism does. 
I can't speak for ZK but he has been sharing tweets by far right accounts. And, labelling Palestinians as mentally ill and suggesting they're going to come over here and kill members of the gay community would constitute spouting racist and Islamaphobic nonsense to me. Couldnt care less if he is banned or not at this stage to be honest. 
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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

This, to me, suggests he had been openly racist?

"You've been caught out here already sharing tweets by far right accounts and spouting racist and Islamaphobic nonsense."

Sharing information from extremely questionable accounts doesn't warrant a bam.
Naked racism does. 
I can't speak for ZK but he has been sharing tweets by far right accounts. And, labelling Palestinians as mentally ill and suggesting they're going to come over here and kill members of the gay community would constitute spouting racist and Islamaphobic nonsense to me. Couldnt care less if he is banned or not at this stage to be honest. 

Considering you never stop spouting on about this you clearly do but I'll happily volunteer for a month ban if it means the threads stop getting ruined by your off topic drivel.
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Ah don't be like that. You're clearly not the full note.

These things happen. You should share your twitter account, just for the craic like. 
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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Ah don't be like that. You're clearly not the full note.

These things happen. You should share your twitter account, just for the craic like. 
I don't post on twitter and I also don't follow any far right accounts you keep banging on about except visegrad if they are considered one.
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Originally posted by notpropaganda73 notpropaganda73 wrote:

Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

I suppose I don't know why there has to be a word for it. The word itself is a very recent invention. I think what it does is conflate not liking an idea and not liking a race. Which is inaccurate 

It's perfectly logical to not like Islam and have no problem with Muslims. 

It's perfectly logical to not like Christianity and have no problem with Christians. 
I don't think it's about disliking the religion so much as it's about using that dislike to be prejudiced against members of the religion.

E.g. You don't like a certain verse from the Quran, which is fine. But you then use that verse to promulgate theories that Muslims are planning to take over the West and kill infidels. That's the cross into Islamophobia.

said it better than I could ^

Sorry just saw this and your other reply as well prop

My understanding of it is that you can still be anti semitic against a Jewish atheist. So it's a dislike or hatred of a people.

I don't know if you can necessarily be islamaphobic against someone who isn't actually Islamic. A dislike of Arab people would be racist of course

But again, my view is that a dislike of an idea or set of ideas shouldn't be met with such a loaded term as Islamophobia. It's not comparable to racism or homophobia in my opinion. 
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