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Talking about Mick here RB
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Talking about Mick here RB

Yes I’m responding to a Moleman comment above 
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Kerr also had 1 campaign more or less written off by the time he came in (by our Mick), and in the second campaign where he was putting together a good side imo we were very close to qualifying. Iirc Keane was injured by the time we lost to France late in that group which was a big blow. He was trying to get us playing a certain way, and it takes time. Imagine replacing him with Stan for f*ck sake. We could have been in a totally different place by the next campaign.

It's interesting how different managers are viewed. McCarthy had 2 failed campaigns and some abysmal performances (far far worse than anything Kerr served up) and he's revered by many. McCarthy also effectively had a failed 3rd campaign in those '04 qualifiers that few attribute to him for some reason.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

I don’t grasp this at all, but how were we almost guaranteed a play off spot before the euros qualifying kicked off, whenever we finished bottom of our NL group?


Once we were in group B of the Nation's league we were 90 plus percent likely to get a playoff spot in March 2020, no? 

We could effectively have lost every Nations League and Euro qualifying game 5-0, and we were still only 2 games away from qualifying for the Euros. 

We knew all of this ages ago, and could easily have planned accordingly.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

I don’t grasp this at all, but how were we almost guaranteed a play off spot before the euros qualifying kicked off, whenever we finished bottom of our NL group?


NL rankings were frozen when the NL ended, we were ranked 23rd, so only needed 15 above us to qualify to get a playoff. That's the simple version- we still could have missed out if 4A teams and 4 or more B teams ranked above us didn't qualify automatically, leaving us with no route into the playoff league A, but that was always unlikely given the draw- it won't happen now. 

Most people still think coming 3rd is a factor, had to correct a mate the other night saying that Albania were in with a good chance of a playoff by maybe finishing 3rd in their group - they aren't going anywhere unless they finish 2nd. 


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Just to add we knew all of this around the time the Danes hammered us and the FAI were pondering whether to give MON a contract. We knew all of this in January 2018. That in March 2020, we were almost guaranteed to be just 2 playoff games away from qualifying.

I'll say it again, we will never ever have a chance to rebuild like that with so little to lose. About 20 games, about 15 competitive fixtures, and at the end of it a guaranteed play off. Absolutely blown by the FAI.


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Ah right


Anyway, Micks done a good job so far. Four wins and two draws and in a good position in the group. You can’t really complain with that.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Ah right


Anyway, Micks done a good job so far. Four wins and two draws and in a good position in the group. You can’t really complain with that.

I can and I will LOL

I see absolutely nothing that makes me think we will actually beat a side like Denmark or Switzerland. Maybe Mick's plan will work and we'll flukily draw out way to the Euros, but I doubt it. I think we'll need to win a high level game and we've shown nothing to do that under McCarthy.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Ah right


Anyway, Micks done a good job so far. Four wins and two draws and in a good position in the group. You can’t really complain with that.

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Bulgaria 

All absolute cat

***Georgia at home - decent 

Good point in Copenhagen TBF

Look we all know the deal, let's judge him after the next 3 games.  


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We are rebuilding, from the 21's up. Mick is picking the strongest team available to him, and he will cap young lads if he feels they are good enough. In the background, we have 20 lads being coached by future manager in the ways he wants to see our senior team play, and those good enough, will make the step up with Kenny.
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Beat Georgia away and draw with Denmark at home and that could be us qualified 
Everyone will be happy, job done

Georgia away is the biggest game remaining now IMO. A must win
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You can have Pep as your manager. If you have no goalscorers and no goal creators it’s always going to be difficult to play in a progressive way. Pragmatism is ok for now.
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Originally posted by grannyrule grannyrule wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Trappatoni was absolutely hopeless 

He steadied the ship but then just like Martin O'Neill completely overstayed his welcome.
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Whatever about the when, how or who when it comes to rebuilds. The way the chips are starting to fall regarding Kenny, talented youth coming to the fore and mick  steadying the ship... something about how this has all panned out feels very right and meant to be. 
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Ah right


Anyway, Micks done a good job so far. Four wins and two draws and in a good position in the group. You can’t really complain with that.

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All absolute cat

***Georgia at home - decent 

Good point in Copenhagen TBF

Look we all know the deal, let's judge him after the next 3 games.  



It is true the opposition has been poor enough and even MON managed to draw in Denmark- however the performances have been better and we actually seem to have a bit of shape rather than just 11 men behind the 18yard line. Mick was what we needed. Someone to steady the ship- get us organised and hopefully with some luck get us to the Euros. That is in our hands now. I look forward to Kenny taking over and I think he will do s fine job. But from the position we were in it was imperative we got ourselves back to a base level where Kenny could come in and hopefully take us forward. Mick has done well so far and the real challenges now lie ahead. But we are in a good position and our destiny is in our own hands. That is all you can ask.
Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!
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The fact that we even press teams high up the pitch is massive change enough. You can play crap football, but if you're aggressive and pressing the opposition, it at least gives the fans something to cheer about and get behind. 

MON offered nothing in his final year just pure negativity. 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:


All I want is for EIRE to play the way TE did against the Germans.  They played very well I thought and were attacking and entertaining like us back in the old Lansdowne circa 1998. They lost but they lost fighting and another day with a bit of luck would have won that game.  They are doing things right. Our game plan seems to be to pox draws every time we play anyone half decent and then wait for someone else to slip up allowing us to stumble blindly over the finish line. It's just not cricket.


Agree with all of this.
The North were very good against the Germans in the first half.
Their results over the last 4/5 years have been excellent. They are beating the teams around their level more often than not.

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Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by grannyrule grannyrule wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Trappatoni was absolutely hopeless 

He steadied the ship but then just like Martin O'Neill completely overstayed his welcome.
If there was ever a nail on the head statement that was it . Thumbs Up

Steadied the ship? A statement that actually means nothing, football teams cant sink, I can add throwaway soundbites too as below.

Ireland fans don't have issue with trap steadying the ship, it's when he hoisted the main sail that caused concern, he then continues to weigh anchor on the port side and by the time we ran aground it was time to abandon ship.



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