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Yeah everyone is right, Trap was a disaster. We never should have gotten him, we should have just stuck it out with Stan.
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Originally posted by darmack darmack wrote:

Yeah everyone is right, Trap was a disaster. We never should have gotten him, we should have just stuck it out with Stan.

Cause our only options were Trap or stick with Stan? 


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Yep, or Paul Jewel.
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Whatever about the when, how or who when it comes to rebuilds. The way the chips are starting to fall regarding Kenny, talented youth coming to the fore and mick  steadying the ship... something about how this has all panned out feels very right and meant to be. 

In terms of Kenny, do you think if Ireland qualify that McCarthy will walk away? That there won't be a push to stay on?

I don't think Ireland will qualify, but if they do, I'd be very confident there will be a PR job to try and get McCarthy to stay on for another campaign.
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Ah right


Anyway, Micks done a good job so far. Four wins and two draws and in a good position in the group. You can’t really complain with that.

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Look we all know the deal, let's judge him after the next 3 games.  



It is true the opposition has been poor enough and even MON managed to draw in Denmark- however the performances have been better and we actually seem to have a bit of shape rather than just 11 men behind the 18yard line. Mick was what we needed. Someone to steady the ship- get us organised and hopefully with some luck get us to the Euros. That is in our hands now. I look forward to Kenny taking over and I think he will do s fine job. But from the position we were in it was imperative we got ourselves back to a base level where Kenny could come in and hopefully take us forward. Mick has done well so far and the real challenges now lie ahead. But we are in a good position and our destiny is in our own hands. That is all you can ask.

Exactly.

The amount of self-important rubbish being posted on this thread is absolutely comical. 12 months ago we were in the thick of Ward's WhatsApp message and had just been eviscerated by Wales. Guarantee Ryan Giggs would snap your hand off a year on to be in our position right now.

There's been steady progress from a manager who had his first friendly only two days ago, I really don't know what sort of clouds some people have their heads in.
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The thing is, we currently have major limitations. In terms of ready made players, who play consistently at a high level, we simply don’t have enough. Others are not hugely experienced. And then we have a lot of good potential bubbling under the surface, but with little or no first team experience. That also ignores the fact that retirements like Wes, Murphy, Walters, Ward and Meyler since 2017 have reduced our playing panel. We also have players like Shane Long, Robbie Brady , and James McCarthy who have been playing sporadically since 2017, and two of our strongest players happen to play in the same position (Doherty and Coleman).

Some sort of strategy had to be employed to bridge the gaps, and an experienced international manager made sense. We could have gone for one of the “Merry-go-rounders” from the PL, but sensibly went for MM who undoubtedly maintained a keen interest in Irish football. He also had a good track record of rejuvenating teams, rebuilding teams and maximising limited resources. That is precisely what we need now, particularly with only 9 months to qualify us. For context in 1996 MM has 10 friendly matches before we played Lichtenstein in September, including three semi competitive games at the US Cup. In combination, he has 10
games this year.

After this season, we will have a clearer viewpoint of our resources, and I to the Bargain we may well be at Euro 2020. After that, there is a natural jumping off point, which didn’t exist in 2018, especially after MON was retained.
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by grannyrule grannyrule wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Trappatoni was absolutely hopeless 

He steadied the ship but then just like Martin O'Neill completely overstayed his welcome.
If there was ever a nail on the head statement that was it . Thumbs Up

Steadied the ship? A statement that actually means nothing, football teams cant sink, I can add throwaway soundbites too as below.

Ireland fans don't have issue with trap steadying the ship, it's when he hoisted the main sail that caused concern, he then continues to weigh anchor on the port side and by the time we ran aground it was time to abandon ship.


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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

The thing is, we currently have major limitations. In terms of ready made players, who play consistently at a high level, we simply don’t have enough. Others are not hugely experienced. And then we have a lot of good potential bubbling under the surface, but with little or no first team experience. That also ignores the fact that retirements like Wes, Murphy, Walters, Ward and Meyler since 2017 have reduced our playing panel. We also have players like Shane Long, Robbie Brady , and James McCarthy who have been playing sporadically since 2017, and two of our strongest players happen to play in the same position (Doherty and Coleman).

Some sort of strategy had to be employed to bridge the gaps, and an experienced international manager made sense. We could have gone for one of the “Merry-go-rounders” from the PL, but sensibly went for MM who undoubtedly maintained a keen interest in Irish football. He also had a good track record of rejuvenating teams, rebuilding teams and maximising limited resources. That is precisely what we need now, particularly with only 9 months to qualify us. For context in 1996 MM has 10 friendly matches before we played Lichtenstein in September, including three semi competitive games at the US Cup. In combination, he has 10
games this year.

After this season, we will have a clearer viewpoint of our resources, and I to the Bargain we may well be at Euro 2020. After that, there is a natural jumping off point, which didn’t exist in 2018, especially after MON was retained.

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MM hasn’t any interest in Irish football beyond the senior international side and the ridiculously bloated payslip that comes with it. The health of the game here wouldn’t cross his mind.
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I’d hate to see the reaction on here if and when Mick loses a game
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Mick has done a very solid job so far. Lads who don't think he has probably have their own agenda.

How much would Ireland qualifying change the next job he gets? Mid to bottom championship club if we don't qualify, higher championship club if we do? Could he do anything to put himself back in contention for lower PL clubs, qualify and play very well making the QF or better?

Mick is a bit of a dinosaur in his own way,but no way to MON levels. He was an ideal appointment to steady the ship. I like the way his Ireland teams play with just about enough skill and possession to keep us from being horrendous to watch, while keeping the essential elements of fighting spirit and more agricultural up and under stuff that's effective at times. It will be interesting to see us attempt to play more expansive football under Stephen Kenny,and hopefully we won't lose some of that spirit then either.
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Originally posted by oldbilly oldbilly wrote:

MM hasn’t any interest in Irish football beyond the senior international side and the ridiculously bloated payslip that comes with it. The health of the game here wouldn’t cross his mind.

Interesting opinion here oldBilly can I ask why you think this? 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

I’d hate to see the reaction on here if and when Mick loses a game

I look forward to the reaction on here when we win a game of real note. Something we haven't looked any way capable of, or interested in attempting to do since McCarthy took over.

Just on the steadying of the ship. The ship was steadied the moment MON was sacked. That was it. Ship steadied. Did people think if Stephen Kenny or anyone else came in instead of McCarthy there would still be lads leaking WhatsApp messages and having wat with the Irish assistant manager?

It's just another nod from lads who love McCarthy when really nothing of note has been done by McCarthy on that front.
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Originally posted by oldbilly oldbilly wrote:

MM hasn’t any interest in Irish football beyond the senior international side and the ridiculously bloated payslip that comes with it. The health of the game here wouldn’t cross his mind.

Really good post.

Couldn't agree more.
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:



Exactly.

The amount of self-important rubbish being posted on this thread is absolutely comical. 12 months ago we were in the thick of Ward's WhatsApp message and had just been eviscerated by Wales. Guarantee Ryan Giggs would snap your hand off a year on to be in our position right now.

There's been steady progress from a manager who had his first friendly only two days ago, I really don't know what sort of clouds some people have their heads in.
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Mick has exceeded my expectations - we have no one that can score goals, our best mid fielders has been Whelan, we have a superb chance of finishing 2nd. The football is still fairly crap, but Mick is getting the team to play a bit more. 

It's clouds of delusion alright 

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