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Good interview with Mick in the Paddy Power EPL preview which can be obtained in their bookies.
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Ronan Curtis, Marcus Harness and Danny Crowley all start tonight in the League Cup 1st Round tie between Portsmouth and Birmingham City. Mick McCarthy is in attendance. Live on Sky Sports.
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https://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/ireland-manager-in-attendance-as-mccarthy-plays-for-palace

Latest scouting report ahead of the squad announcement on Friday.
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James McCarthy is a must 
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Whats the squad like tomorrow afternoon?? Any leaks?
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So far so good. He's stopped the rot that was really beginning to set in by the end of the O'Neill era.


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We really did get 2 toxic managers in o'Neill and Trap.

I'm not suggesting the players would have been better quality than the ones under both these jokers but the players we had would have played better football.

I think mick proves that to be true 
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

We really did get 2 toxic managers in o'Neill and Trap.

I'm not suggesting the players would have been better quality than the ones under both these jokers but the players we had would have played better football.

I think mick proves that to be true 

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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

We really did get 2 toxic managers in o'Neill and Trap.

I'm not suggesting the players would have been better quality than the ones under both these jokers but the players we had would have played better football.

I think mick proves that to be true 

You are calling Trapatoni a joker in comparison to Mick McCarthy LOL F*ckin hell. You win the internet

Trappatoni was absolutely hopeless 
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

We really did get 2 toxic managers in o'Neill and Trap.

I'm not suggesting the players would have been better quality than the ones under both these jokers but the players we had would have played better football.

I think mick proves that to be true 

You are calling Trapatoni a joker in comparison to Mick McCarthy LOL F*ckin hell. You win the internet

Trappatoni was absolutely hopeless 

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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

We really did get 2 toxic managers in o'Neill and Trap.

I'm not suggesting the players would have been better quality than the ones under both these jokers but the players we had would have played better football.

I think mick proves that to be true 

You are calling Trapatoni a joker in comparison to Mick McCarthy LOL F*ckin hell. You win the internet

The fallacy about trapattoni at Ireland is that there's a tendency to analyse him as the legendary 1980s manager trapattoni rather than what we got. Damien Duff was a phenomenal player, when he turned up at rovers his legs were gone and stunk the place out.  You don't analyse what someone did before he showed up for you, you analyse what you've got in front of you. Trap did a job for us, but him and his tactics had gone out of style and indeed usefulness against top sides several cycles beforehand. He also didn't pay much attention to the players he was actually managing. 

None of this is to bash on trap and he certainly isn't a joker, just that while he will obviously be the most successful manager ever to manage us, that's not what we got. We rightly gave MON grief for trying to apply the methods of Clough to the modern game, trap tried to apply the methods of 1980s trap to our game. Both had some degree of success and then became hopelessly outdated, and to eulogise trap as a legend doesn't have much bearing on what happened with us - even with the good job that he did.


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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Trappatoni was absolutely hopeless 

He steadied the ship but then just like Martin O'Neill completely overstayed his welcome.
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

We really did get 2 toxic managers in o'Neill and Trap.

I'm not suggesting the players would have been better quality than the ones under both these jokers but the players we had would have played better football.

I think mick proves that to be true 


You are calling Trapatoni a joker in comparison to Mick McCarthy LOL F*ckin hell. You win the internet


Trappatoni was absolutely hopeless 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote doherty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 2019 at 8:56pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

We really did get 2 toxic managers in o'Neill and Trap.

I'm not suggesting the players would have been better quality than the ones under both these jokers but the players we had would have played better football.

I think mick proves that to be true 


You are calling Trapatoni a joker in comparison to Mick McCarthy LOL F*ckin hell. You win the internet


Trappatoni was absolutely hopeless 


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Trap- Football God or dinosaur, MON- Football God or dinosaur, yep, go ahead and have those arguments if ye want to. But suggesting Mick is somehow radically different from them might be the maddest stretch of all. 

To put it very simply, if there is some simple sliding scale of managers from 1-10, with the likes of Bielsa, Pep, Klopp up there at 1 as innovators/thinkers/coaches, and Trap/MON off down at 10 for being a defensive minded coach stuck in his ways, where's Mick ? 

At best, he's about 6, and I think I'm stretching it at that. 

Just to be clear, I'm not criticising Mick at all, I knew what we were getting, and he has done an excellent job of doing what Mick McCarthy does, especially given the mess he inherited and the short timeframe he had to try sort it out. 

But presenting a few draws against decent teams as a radical leap forward, nah, I don't think so. We've pretty much always been able to do that.  Especially given the context of the end of MON's term being so bad that it was getting to a point where the next appointment couldn't have done any worse, regardless of who that appointment was. 








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O'Neill got a bump out of the team after Trap by getting them to play (a little) more football. McCarthy probably is just doing the same thing. The difference is that O'Neill was around long enough for the progress to abruptly end and the terminal regression to set in, Mick won't be.
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I'm a Mick fan mostly based off his 1st tenure.   I do think he has changed somewhat and is now more conservative and risk averse. Now that may be down to having one year with the team or it may be down to getting older and less idealistic.  Results have been decent so far but nothing out of the ordinary.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

We really did get 2 toxic managers in o'Neill and Trap.

I'm not suggesting the players would have been better quality than the ones under both these jokers but the players we had would have played better football.

I think mick proves that to be true 


You are calling Trapatoni a joker in comparison to Mick McCarthy LOL F*ckin hell. You win the internet


Trappatoni was absolutely hopeless 


One of the most decorated managers in the history of the game.


He could have invented football and won every trophy in world football. He was still absolute muck for ireland. 

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