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Originally posted by bundy bundy wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by bundy bundy wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Right call from the FAI.

For those saying Kenny shouldn't be thrown in at the deep end, I personally dont think it really matters if we qualify for Euro 20/21 at this stage.

Great if we do, if not then Kenny has started building his team for the World Cup which takes place just a year later. 

The format, along with Covid-19 has ensured that whenever the next Euros are held, or wherever for that matter, it's going to be overshadowed by a World Cup happening just a year later.

They’ll either push the World Cup out by one year and play it in odd years going forward, in order to keep the two year gap between the two tournaments. Or they’ll have another Euros in 2024 as planned with just a three year gap between European Championships. No way can they just continue on as normal after next year and have nothing for three years and then a Euros and World Cup one after another.

No they won't. Even with the Euros in 2021 there's a still the guts of a year and a half till the next World Cup. 

Not the next World Cup. I meant they won’t have a Euros in 2025 and a World Cup in 2026. They’ll push the World Cup out or bring the Euros back a year.

The euros will be in 2024, plenty time to change the schedule between now and then. Just because euro 2020 was put back to 2021 doesnt mean every other euros after will be changed a year.


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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

a poor campaign by mick effectively 1 win.
He was hampered by the quality of player available to him.
Stubborn in his selection how he didn’t include Shane long in one squad was a case in point 
Was that not down to Robbie? Or is that nonsense?

What Robbie got to do with it? Whats that story about?
It has been alluded to, both on here and elsewhere, that Robbie doesn’t like Long and that’s why he has been left out. 
I must add that it seems unlikely to be that trivial, but I am curious all the same.
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Ive never heard that but it does sound bull. Even if it was true i doubt Mick would leave him out just for Robbie. Hes not the type.
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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

a poor campaign by mick effectively 1 win.
He was hampered by the quality of player available to him.
Stubborn in his selection how he didn’t include Shane long in one squad was a case in point 

1 loss in 10 games? Not a poor campaign. 
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Disappointed the decision is made so early and the FAI didn't wait to see which game is played first (Euro 2020 playoff or Nations League). Mick deserved to manage the team in the play off, and take us to Euro 2020 if we got there. 
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Ive never heard that but it does sound bull. Even if it was true i doubt Mick would leave him out just for Robbie. Hes not the type.
Mick is usually the type to do the opposite of what he is told, so it does seem unlikely. Still, it is such a strange rumour that their must be something in it.
I’m hardly Long’s biggest fan, but it isn’t as if we have loads of options! He should still have been in the squad.
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Would of kept Mick in charge of the seniors and Kenny in charge of the under 21's with both in contention of qualifying, but hey the decision has been made I wish Mick McCarthy the best of luck in what he does in future and fully back Stephen Kenny for the coming months (and hopefully years).
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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

a poor campaign by mick effectively 1 win.
He was hampered by the quality of player available to him.
Stubborn in his selection how he didn’t include Shane long in one squad was a case in point 

1 loss in 10 games? Not a poor campaign. 
1 loss for in 10 games but more importantly effectively 1 and to make it worse we looked like winning no game either 

 
It was poor we were never positive even when results fell our way and had we shown any bit of bottle we could have qualified.
We scored 7 goals 3 against Gibraltar.
So 4 goals in 6 games absolute thrash.

I can’t see it any other way than poor
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Originally posted by xRedmanLFCx xRedmanLFCx wrote:

Disappointed the decision is made so early and the FAI didn't wait to see which game is played first (Euro 2020 playoff or Nations League). Mick deserved to manage the team in the play off, and take us to Euro 2020 if we got there. 

Why?
He missed automatic qualification and its only through O Neills last crap Nation's League campaign that we have a backdoor attempt at all, such is the daftness of the competition 


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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

a poor campaign by mick effectively 1 win.
He was hampered by the quality of player available to him.
Stubborn in his selection how he didn’t include Shane long in one squad was a case in point 
Was that not down to Robbie? Or is that nonsense?
You would have to hope nonsense and if it was true neither Mick or Robbie should have been in their jobs
I’m not sure Robbie should have ever been given a position. Sentiment shouldn’t be a factor and he never struck me as the type suited to coaching. Then again, neither did Duff and he seems highly regarded.

The big difference is that Duff has been serving an "apprenticeship" since he stepped into coaching, moving up the ladder year on year and gaining more experience in the process, whereas Robbie was handed the Ireland/Boro assistant managers gigs with zero meaningful coaching experience behind him.

It's no surprise to see Boro struggling really, Steve Gibson putting a manager and assistant in charge with no experience (what could have gone wrong)

I think Duff eventually could take over as Ireland manager, it will be interesting to see how long he will stay in the background at Celtic (he definitely needs to for another year or two anyway) before he becomes a manager somewhere.
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Financial decision, but lets face it, it isn't as if Mick left the FAI with much of a choice. Had we already qualified, he would be staying, they would likely have found a way.  Had we out performed Switzerland or Denmark, or both, and got robbed by a Henry-type Ref's terrible decision, there would have been an argument to keep him. 

He was brought in to steady the ship, did that, went on to keep us in the hunt until the end, and when that end came, he ran out of ideas. Well, he did have one idea V our strongest opposition away from home, but that was probably a game for a conservative approach (while going all out V Georgia) and in any case, he made a botch of it. Very decent man and likeable individual, but nothing I've seen in his 2nd tenure made me think we could win 2 games away from home in 5/6 days. 

That doesn't mean Kenny will win them, or we'll automatically play better, but hopefully in the longer run, its a decision that will be positive for us. 

Well, actually, it wasn't a decision really, can ya imagine Barrett, Quinn, McAneaney etc heading off to the new Sports Minister in a few months time and trying to explain why they renewed an expensive contract for their highest paid employee in the middle of a pandemic ? ? Delaney would have no doubt tried to bluff that one, as he is tone deaf to reality, but these new FAI are somewhat connected to it, as, to be fair, I'd imagine Mick is too. 


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Originally posted by kevincronin2000 kevincronin2000 wrote:

Originally posted by wanderer wanderer wrote:

Can't see that going down too well with the squad.

I really hope now the playoffs aren't in September, Kenny needs a few friendlies / nations league games. His first game as big as a playoff is madness 
All it takes is Stephen to bring in 4 or 5 players to the squad that will be HIS players and the squad won't be long gelling.
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Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

Right decision. A new manager for a new FAI. There were things that annoyed me about Kenny at Dundalk (but admittedly biased as City were their rivals) but has impressed me as u21 manager so far anytime I heard him talk. Clearly the cheaper option but to my mind just as likely as Mick to qualify for Euro 2020/21 (not very) but definitely more promise for better things ahead. Delay to Euros allows us to bring through the golden ish generation at u21 right now also.

As someone said, good news at an otherwise bleak time.

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Originally posted by belt belt wrote:

Does Mick not kicking up a fuss not demonstrate he wasn't overly bothered once he got the bag of cash??

Belt up. 


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Originally posted by Dalymount79 Dalymount79 wrote:

Pleased with this - properly timed and well communicated by the FAI - imagine the garbled nonsense we’d have to put up with the JD regime if they still ran the show.

A bit of sadness as the campaign didn’t work out for Mick, various reasons, him being past his before date being the main one. Always a very decent man so some of the bitter stuff towards him in this thread is disappointing to read.

Hopefully the nations league games will be played in the autumn and before the playoffs so SK can get some games in before Slovakia.

Mostly agree, D79. But the reason we didn't auto qualify is we haven't a goalscorer.


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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by belt belt wrote:

Does Mick not kicking up a fuss not demonstrate he wasn't overly bothered once he got the bag of cash??

Can't win, can he? 
Exactly another typical football manager who only cares about the big bag of cash.

I'm not getting this. Would you prefer if he started kicking up a stink about this? Because if he had plenty would be getting stuck into him about how selfish he was being.

He leaves with dignity and without a fuss and people are calling him a money grabber for his contract being paid. Utterly bizarre stuff. 

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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by xRedmanLFCx xRedmanLFCx wrote:

Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

a poor campaign by mick effectively 1 win.
He was hampered by the quality of player available to him.
Stubborn in his selection how he didn’t include Shane long in one squad was a case in point 

1 loss in 10 games? Not a poor campaign. 
1 loss for in 10 games but more importantly effectively 1 and to make it worse we looked like winning no game either 

 
It was poor we were never positive even when results fell our way and had we shown any bit of bottle we could have qualified.
We scored 7 goals 3 against Gibraltar.
So 4 goals in 6 games absolute thrash.

I can’t see it any other way than poor

We played 8 games
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