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Originally posted by notpropaganda73 notpropaganda73 wrote:

Turning in to a bit of a leader at this point. Ridiculous it took so long to get him and Seamie in the same side. 

Strong endorsement of Kenny and the whole setup in his interview tonight as well


I've heard a lot of ex-pros saying something to the effect of "it takes about 20 caps to settle into international football".

While we have a lot of young lads coming through now that we want to get to that number in the next 2 years... when you look at it, a lot of who we consider senior players are only getting to that 20 cap mark this year:
(as of tonight)
Hourihane - 28 caps
Doherty - 23
O''Dowda - 23
Stevens - 21
Robinson - 20
Arter - 18
Egan - 17
K.Long - 17
Browne - 16
Horgan - 16
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Originally posted by greenlad greenlad wrote:

I didn't think he had a good game at all, why did he keep tucking in when we're playing with 3 cb's, looked pedestrian at times, as if he wasn't interested...... 
Maybe it's just me...... Expected more from him tonight.... 

I think his running style gives off this impression. But if you rewatch it, especially when we're finally getting up the pitch towards the end of the game, Doherty is the man taking on the left back and winning corners. His touch bringing down those diagonal balls is excellent as well, he turned his man a couple times towards the end of the game. 

He also put in a great tackle to stop Mitrovic (I think it was) on one of their late counter attacks where they looked like they'd score. He was probably better in Portugal but thought he stepped up when needed last night.


Edited by notpropaganda73 - 08 Sep 2021 at 11:02am
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Remember when McCarthy was manager and some people were saying to start Doherty as the right winger in a 4-3-3. Now in fairness some people were saying to play him as a wing back and Coleman as the right sided centre back. I think Doherty is a perfect example of stats being misleading. Yes he scored lots of goals and got lots of assists at wolves but I think he was the definition of a system player. A lot of his goals were headers and from runs into the box. How many of his assists were from crosses ? He did pull the ball back to the striker or make a pass along the ground but I don’t think he was ever whipping the ball in to the box that often. I think he’s been found out defensively as a full back at Spurs. His crossing is average and he gets caught out of position a lot. He’s not a premier league standard player as a full back IMO. However I think he was great for Ireland as a wing back in the previous international break. He’s cemented his starting position IMO. If Nuno hadn’t have been appointed wolves manager I do wonder if he would be in the premier league now. I know this could be seen as going in on Doherty but I’m not intending to be abusive. I’ve used no swear words or ad hominem attacks. Just an opinion based on his Spurs form.
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Originally posted by AonSceal19 AonSceal19 wrote:

Remember when McCarthy was manager and some people were saying to start Doherty as the right winger in a 4-3-3. Now in fairness some people were saying to play him as a wing back and Coleman as the right sided centre back. I think Doherty is a perfect example of stats being misleading. Yes he scored lots of goals and got lots of assists at wolves but I think he was the definition of a system player. A lot of his goals were headers and from runs into the box. How many of his assists were from crosses ? He did pull the ball back to the striker or make a pass along the ground but I don’t think he was ever whipping the ball in to the box that often. I think he’s been found out defensively as a full back at Spurs. His crossing is average and he gets caught out of position a lot. He’s not a premier league standard player as a full back IMO. However I think he was great for Ireland as a wing back in the previous international break. He’s cemented his starting position IMO. If Nuno hadn’t have been appointed wolves manager I do wonder if he would be in the premier league now. I know this could be seen as going in on Doherty but I’m not intending to be abusive. I’ve used no swear words or ad hominem attacks. Just an opinion based on his Spurs form.

Matt's a very good wing back when he is at it and he played very well over the last 3 despite obvious fitness issues, particularly oop at left wing back vs Portugal. He is not great defensively one on one, but he is very good in the air in both boxes. He is a clever footballer and doesnt just hoof the ball in to the box at the earliest opportunity, so he benefits from having clever players around him. Himself and Connolly bossed the left flank vs Portugal (Cancelo) in the first half. He played almost exclusively as a wing back at Wolves, so if Mourinho bought him as a full back, then that's on him. IMO he's probably the most talented player in the Irish team as evidenced by his wage packet and he is finally starting to deliver some performances in a green shirt which is overdue and welcome.

He is absolutely part of the solution for Ireland, but he should move on from Spurs if he doesnt get a fair crack. It will depend on what formation Nuno finally settles on and how good their new signing from Barca is (I have never seen him play), but he's definitely a better wing back than Tanganga, who looks like an average overly enthusiastic centre back to me.
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Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by notpropaganda73 notpropaganda73 wrote:

Turning in to a bit of a leader at this point. Ridiculous it took so long to get him and Seamie in the same side. 

Strong endorsement of Kenny and the whole setup in his interview tonight as well


I've heard a lot of ex-pros saying something to the effect of "it takes about 20 caps to settle into international football".

While we have a lot of young lads coming through now that we want to get to that number in the next 2 years... when you look at it, a lot of who we consider senior players are only getting to that 20 cap mark this year:
(as of tonight)
Hourihane - 28 caps
Doherty - 23
O''Dowda - 23
Stevens - 21
Robinson - 20
Arter - 18
Egan - 17
K.Long - 17
Browne - 16
Horgan - 16
J.Collins - 13



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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by notpropaganda73 notpropaganda73 wrote:

Turning in to a bit of a leader at this point. Ridiculous it took so long to get him and Seamie in the same side. 

Strong endorsement of Kenny and the whole setup in his interview tonight as well


I've heard a lot of ex-pros saying something to the effect of "it takes about 20 caps to settle into international football".

While we have a lot of young lads coming through now that we want to get to that number in the next 2 years... when you look at it, a lot of who we consider senior players are only getting to that 20 cap mark this year:
(as of tonight)
Hourihane - 28 caps
Doherty - 23
O''Dowda - 23
Stevens - 21
Robinson - 20
Arter - 18
Egan - 17
K.Long - 17
Browne - 16
Horgan - 16
J.Collins - 13




Long, Stevens, Arter and probably Hourihane, Collins and Horgan are all too old to probably contribute to our future in any significant manner. I'll give you O'Dowda, Doherty, Browne, Robinson and Egan (future captain)!
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I didn't see the game, but the Beeb are reporting that Doherty got the assist for Spurs 2nd goal? "before substitute Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg found the bottom corner from Matt Doherty's cross four minutes later to rescue a point for a much-changed Spurs side"

Did anyone catch the game?
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

I didn't see the game, but the Beeb are reporting that Doherty got the assist for Spurs 2nd goal? "before substitute Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg found the bottom corner from Matt Doherty's cross four minutes later to rescue a point for a much-changed Spurs side"

Did anyone catch the game?
 

Didn't see the game but the way Doherty was lambasted on twitter you would think he had scored 2 own goals don't mind assist the 2nd one! 
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Twas a deflected cross from Doherty as it turns out!
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Is he injured?not in the squad today
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Doubtful, Tanganga has been moved back out to RB and Emerson drops to the bench. He's third choice RB.

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He might fancy a loan in January, though I'd be shocked if Nuno lasted the season, so he could have another go under a new manager and try to establish himself.
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its strange he's not even on the bench if not injured, he got plenty of game time under nuno at wolves.
Maybe that gobsh*te mourinho knocked the confidence out of him or just put him off the club as a whole..



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Originally posted by greenlad greenlad wrote:

its strange he's not even on the bench if not injured, he got plenty of game time under nuno at wolves.
Maybe that gobsh*te mourinho knocked the confidence out of him or just put him off the club as a whole..


The 2 time Champions League winning zgobsh1te.

Serial winner. What would Mourinho know?

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Originally posted by B6 6HE B6 6HE wrote:

Originally posted by greenlad greenlad wrote:

its strange he's not even on the bench if not injured, he got plenty of game time under nuno at wolves.
Maybe that gobsh*te mourinho knocked the confidence out of him or just put him off the club as a whole..


The 2 time Champions League winning zgobsh1te.

Serial winner. What would Mourinho know?

I'm not say he doesn't know how to win trophies but he is an unlikeable prick and maybe something went on between him and matt that's put him off the club.
Just maybe....... 
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We all know Doherty can only play as a RWB / LWB, hes been a flop at Spurs because he cant play in a flat back 4 as a fullback. Mourinho tried it, didnt work. Nuno tried it, didnt work.

Nuno at Wolves picked the best system for the players he had available to him which was 3-5-2 and Doherty fit in perfectly

Nuno at Spurs hasnt got the players to play 3-5-2. So hes playing 4-3-3 to suit the players he has. To play 3-5-2 at Spurs he probably needs 5 or 6 new signings. 2 rock solid CBs, a LWB and 2 quality midfielders that can really pass the ball.
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Originally posted by greenlad greenlad wrote:

its strange he's not even on the bench if not injured, he got plenty of game time under nuno at wolves.
Maybe that gobsh*te mourinho knocked the confidence out of him or just put him off the club as a whole..




Why would they have their third choice RB on the bench?
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Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

We all know Doherty can only play as a RWB / LWB, hes been a flop at Spurs because he cant play in a flat back 4 as a fullback. Mourinho tried it, didnt work. Nuno tried it, didnt work.

Nuno at Wolves picked the best system for the players he had available to him which was 3-5-2 and Doherty fit in perfectly

Nuno at Spurs hasnt got the players to play 3-5-2. So hes playing 4-3-3 to suit the players he has. To play 3-5-2 at Spurs he probably needs 5 or 6 new signings. 2 rock solid CBs, a LWB and 2 quality midfielders that can really pass the ball.


Even last season Nunu was changing from 3-4-3 at Wolves to trying to play with a back four. Don't know why as 3-4-3 is what made him.
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