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My worry for Doherty is especially against the other “top 6” and even against Leicester Everton Southampton pushing on is that Mourinho will see it as too much of a risk to start both himself and Reguilon. 

2 glorified wingbacks playing in a back 4 and unfortunately Reguilon is a stand out player really good so Doherty is the one the suffers. Il be honest I was sure he was planning on using a back 5 or even a 3-4-3 more likely when both Reguilon and Doherty signed as they really would have been tailor made for it the 2 of them. 

Will Doherty start the next day for Spurs who knows but if he doesn’t after Auriers mistake then that sends off alarm bells for me.
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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

My worry for Doherty is especially against the other “top 6” and even against Leicester Everton Southampton pushing on is that Mourinho will see it as too much of a risk to start both himself and Reguilon. 

2 glorified wingbacks playing in a back 4 and unfortunately Reguilon is a stand out player really good so Doherty is the one the suffers. Il be honest I was sure he was planning on using a back 5 or even a 3-4-3 more likely when both Reguilon and Doherty signed as they really would have been tailor made for it the 2 of them. 

Will Doherty start the next day for Spurs who knows but if he doesn’t after Auriers mistake then that sends off alarm bells for me.

Aurier has been one of Spurs top performers this season and has made little to no mistakes, bar yesterday.

It would be extremely harsh on him to be dropped for one mistake.
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doherty was dropped for no mistakes , so why not ? they have pretty much traded places every time spurs lost this season 

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doherty was dropped for no mistakes , so why not ? they have pretty much traded places every time spurs lost this season 

Aurier is a better defender in a back four than Doherty and that's the long and the short of it.


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i would say aurier is a very poor defensively , even more than doherty who is not a natural for defensive instinct
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

My worry for Doherty is especially against the other “top 6” and even against Leicester Everton Southampton pushing on is that Mourinho will see it as too much of a risk to start both himself and Reguilon. 

2 glorified wingbacks playing in a back 4 and unfortunately Reguilon is a stand out player really good so Doherty is the one the suffers. Il be honest I was sure he was planning on using a back 5 or even a 3-4-3 more likely when both Reguilon and Doherty signed as they really would have been tailor made for it the 2 of them. 

Will Doherty start the next day for Spurs who knows but if he doesn’t after Auriers mistake then that sends off alarm bells for me.

Aurier has been one of Spurs top performers this season and has made little to no mistakes, bar yesterday.

It would be extremely harsh on him to be dropped for one mistake.

I've been watching Aurier closely ever since he joined Spurs (I must have done something very bad in a previous life!) and trust me, he has never been one of our "top performers".

After 3 seasons when he was an absolute bomb scare, I was sure that when Doherty arrived, that would be the end of SA at Spurs; indeed they were punting him in France during the summer, but no-one had the money to sign him/pay his wages.

Now as it happens, Doherty hasn't (yet) performed as we had all hoped, and this season Aurier has been better than anything we've seen from him previously (not exactly hard, tbf). But if Mourinho has managed to instill a degree of discipline in Aurier's play this season, I really can't see it ever being permanent - as yesterday's fit of the head staggers proved. So whether he's back in the team for forthcoming games, or even the rest of the season, I'm sure JM has him on his list of departures, just as soon as it can be managed and a replacement in place.

As for Doherty, there is no way on earth that JM would agree to a signing just to accommodate his/their Agent and even if he did, no way Levy would permit it.

I have no doubt that Doherty was seen as the attacking RB Moutinho wanted to go with the attacking LB he got in Reguilon. (With a deep defensive block of Alderweirald and Dier behind two CDM's in Sissoko and Hjobjerg, all in front of a stay-on-your-line gk like Lloris, then JM clearly wants to see his FB's in this Spurs team attack more than he did with previous teams).

But even if he originally wanted Doherty, Mourinho is still quite capable of taking against a player who's not responding as he wishes, and dumping him again just as quickly. Which is not to write Doherty off just yet, but he really needs to get some games soon, ideally in the PL, to write himself back into Mourinho's plans, otherwise he risks being out the door with Aurier.

The January window will be interesting.


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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

My worry for Doherty is especially against the other “top 6” and even against Leicester Everton Southampton pushing on is that Mourinho will see it as too much of a risk to start both himself and Reguilon. 

2 glorified wingbacks playing in a back 4 and unfortunately Reguilon is a stand out player really good so Doherty is the one the suffers. Il be honest I was sure he was planning on using a back 5 or even a 3-4-3 more likely when both Reguilon and Doherty signed as they really would have been tailor made for it the 2 of them. 

Will Doherty start the next day for Spurs who knows but if he doesn’t after Auriers mistake then that sends off alarm bells for me.

Aurier has been one of Spurs top performers this season and has made little to no mistakes, bar yesterday.

It would be extremely harsh on him to be dropped for one mistake.

I've been watching Aurier closely ever since he joined Spurs (I must have done something very bad in a previous life!) and trust me, he has never been one of our "top performers".

After 3 seasons when he was an absolute bomb scare, I was sure that when Doherty arrived, that would be the end of SA at Spurs; indeed they were punting him in France during the summer, but no-one had the money to sign him/pay his wages.

Now as it happens, Doherty hasn't (yet) performed as we had all hoped, and this season Aurier has been better than anything we've seen from him previously (not exactly hard, tbf). But if Mourinho has managed to instill a degree of discipline in Aurier's play this season, I really can't see it ever being permanent - as yesterday's fit of the head staggers proved. So whether he's back in the team for forthcoming games, or even the rest of the season, I'm sure JM has him on his list of departures, just as soon as it can be managed and a replacement in place.

As for Doherty, there is no way on earth that JM would agree to a signing just to accommodate his/their Agent and even if he did, no way Levy would permit it.

I have no doubt that Doherty was seen as the attacking RB Moutinho wanted to go with the attacking LB he got in Reguilon. (With a deep defensive block of Alderweirald and Dier behind two CDM's in Sissoko and Hjobjerg, all in front of a stay-on-your-line gk like Lloris, then JM clearly wants to see his FB's in this Spurs team attack more than he did with previous teams).

But even if he originally wanted Doherty, Mourinho is still quite capable of taking against a player who's not responding as he wishes, and dumping him again just as quickly. Which is not to write Doherty off just yet, but he really needs to get some games soon, ideally in the PL, to write himself back into Mourinho's plans, otherwise he risks being out the door with Aurier.

The January window will be interesting.
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Yeah, but it could be worse - he's still somewhat better Michael Smith and Connor Mclaughlin. 


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Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

My worry for Doherty is especially against the other “top 6” and even against Leicester Everton Southampton pushing on is that Mourinho will see it as too much of a risk to start both himself and Reguilon. 

2 glorified wingbacks playing in a back 4 and unfortunately Reguilon is a stand out player really good so Doherty is the one the suffers. Il be honest I was sure he was planning on using a back 5 or even a 3-4-3 more likely when both Reguilon and Doherty signed as they really would have been tailor made for it the 2 of them. 

Will Doherty start the next day for Spurs who knows but if he doesn’t after Auriers mistake then that sends off alarm bells for me.

Aurier has been one of Spurs top performers this season and has made little to no mistakes, bar yesterday.

It would be extremely harsh on him to be dropped for one mistake.

I've been watching Aurier closely ever since he joined Spurs (I must have done something very bad in a previous life!) and trust me, he has never been one of our "top performers".

After 3 seasons when he was an absolute bomb scare, I was sure that when Doherty arrived, that would be the end of SA at Spurs; indeed they were punting him in France during the summer, but no-one had the money to sign him/pay his wages.

Now as it happens, Doherty hasn't (yet) performed as we had all hoped, and this season Aurier has been better than anything we've seen from him previously (not exactly hard, tbf). But if Mourinho has managed to instill a degree of discipline in Aurier's play this season, I really can't see it ever being permanent - as yesterday's fit of the head staggers proved. So whether he's back in the team for forthcoming games, or even the rest of the season, I'm sure JM has him on his list of departures, just as soon as it can be managed and a replacement in place.

As for Doherty, there is no way on earth that JM would agree to a signing just to accommodate his/their Agent and even if he did, no way Levy would permit it.

I have no doubt that Doherty was seen as the attacking RB Moutinho wanted to go with the attacking LB he got in Reguilon. (With a deep defensive block of Alderweirald and Dier behind two CDM's in Sissoko and Hjobjerg, all in front of a stay-on-your-line gk like Lloris, then JM clearly wants to see his FB's in this Spurs team attack more than he did with previous teams).

But even if he originally wanted Doherty, Mourinho is still quite capable of taking against a player who's not responding as he wishes, and dumping him again just as quickly. Which is not to write Doherty off just yet, but he really needs to get some games soon, ideally in the PL, to write himself back into Mourinho's plans, otherwise he risks being out the door with Aurier.

The January window will be interesting.
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Yeah, but it could be worse - he's still somewhat better Michael Smith and Connor Mclaughlin. 

So?

NI's current RB is Stuart Dallas, who's played 1251 of 1260 minutes for Leeds in the PL this season:
https://htwww.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=56147

(Btw in case you're wondering, I was very pleased when MD signed for Spurs, am disappointed he's not yet performed as per expectations, but still harbour hopes that he'll turn it round.)
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think there is a little over dramaticism here , he has not been brilliant for tottenham but he has not been bad either , it is so so . he will get lots more chances this season there is little doubt
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Aurier is Spurs third highest performing player this season with an average rating of 7.14.

Highest rated defender and has made the most tackles but how and ever. 

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Originally posted by Four-Four-Two Four-Four-Two wrote:

think there is a little over dramaticism here , he has not been brilliant for tottenham but he has not been bad either , it is so so . he will get lots more chances this season there is little doubt

I'm sure you're right, but whether that's because Mourinho still rates him, or out of expediency (alternative is Aurier Shocked), must now be an open question.
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Aurier is Spurs third highest performing player this season with an average rating of 7.14.

Highest rated defender and has made the most tackles but how and ever. 

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Listen, there's no doubt Aurier has natural ability, physically at least. Which gives him the potential to be a good attacking FB (especially).

And it is his qualities of pace, strength, stamina and co-ordination etc which probably account for those stats. But it's no use having eg 10 surging runs down the wing in a game if your judgement is so crap that you then make a monumental screw-up in your own penalty area which costs you the feckin game!

And in any case, any list which has Aurier (and Doherty!) ahead of Hjobjerg is total bull, trust me. LOL

Postscript: I've just found this quotation about statistics I was thinking of:
“It is a little bit like the efficiency of players and sometimes you say: ‘The stats say Player B had 92% of efficiency in his passing.’ But the stats don’t say that player only made passes of two metres, they don’t say that the player was a centre-back who only passed to the other centre-back. Or a No 6 who only passed to a No 8.

“And the guy that had 65% of efficiency on his pass is the guy that made the assist, is the guy that makes the adept passes, is the guy that makes 60-metre passes to change the direction of the play. So the stats many, many times are like an incredible piece of meat or fish but badly cooked. It doesn’t tell me much. What tells me [much] is the number of goals you score and the number of chances that you create.” - José Mário dos Santos Mourinho Félix Wink





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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

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Playing in a back 5 seemingly. Initially I wasn’t sure why Mourinho signed Doherty and then I see him sign Reguilon I was full sure he’d plans to go with a back 5 or a 3-4-3 as Reguilon like Doherty is essentially a wing back almost and is weak defensively.

Aurier playing has been partially down to Aurier playing well and has been as much about Mourinho being reluctant to play both Doherty and Reguilon in a back 4 together to my mind. Reguilon is quality and has been much better so Doherty has suffered in the bigger games particularly.

Tonight points to it hopefully formation works out personally think it’s huge potential with the players Spurs have at their disposal.


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Playing in a back 5 seemingly. Initially I wasn’t sure why Mourinho signed Doherty and then I see him sign Reguilon I was full sure he’d plans to go with a back 5 or a 3-4-3 as Reguilon like Doherty is essentially a wing back almost and is weak defensively.

Aurier playing has been partially down to Aurier playing well and has been as much about Mourinho being reluctant to play both Doherty and Reguilon in a back 4 together to my mind. Reguilon is quality and has been much better so Doherty has suffered in the bigger games particularly.

Tonight points to it hopefully formation works out personally think it’s huge potential with the players Spurs have at their disposal.

I honestly believe he would still be in the championship if Nuno didn’t come to wolves and switch to a back 3. He’s a liability in a back 4 and I hope Kenny is taking note of this as well. 
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