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Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

On the left we have McClean, Connolly, Robinson and Curtis.

But on the right who do we have? Hendrick, Knight and Smallbone have played on the right side of midfield for their clubs this season but are all better suited to playing centrally, really.

As imperfect a situation as it might be, Doherty may well be our best option there.

We really need get our best players out on the field.


I'd happily see Knight and Smallbone tested in that position in the upcoming NL games and see what works best.

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The fact Coleman retained the captaincy and remains one of our better players suggests he'll continue to start most games.

Randolph;

Coleman, Duffy, Egan, Stevens;

McCarthy, Hourihane;

Doherty, McGoldrick, Connolly;

Long/Obafemi.

This is probably the strongest and most balanced team available to us.
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                 Randolph
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is what I would go for at the moment in Slovakia.

With Doherty, Long and McClean the most likely subs to give some impact off the bench.

Obviously tough to leave Doherty out but, as he has said himself, shoehorning him in further up the field doesn't work. He's a right back and, at a push, cover at left back. If you're trying to fit him in in some other position it's a mistake.
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Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

The fact Coleman retained the captaincy and remains one of our better players suggests he'll continue to start most games.

Randolph;

Coleman, Duffy, Egan, Stevens;

McCarthy, Hourihane;

Doherty, McGoldrick, Connolly;

Long/Obafemi.

This is probably the strongest and most balanced team available to us.



Has Kenny said Coleman will be his captain?
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

The fact Coleman retained the captaincy and remains one of our better players suggests he'll continue to start most games.

Randolph;

Coleman, Duffy, Egan, Stevens;

McCarthy, Hourihane;

Doherty, McGoldrick, Connolly;

Long/Obafemi.

This is probably the strongest and most balanced team available to us.



Has Kenny said Coleman will be his captain?

He confirmed Coleman will stay as captain when he was appointed.
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As long as Young Doherty gets into the team.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

                 Randolph
Coleman-Duffy-Egan-Stevens
            McCarthy-Molumby
                  Hourihane
Robinson-McGoldrick-Connolly

is what I would go for at the moment in Slovakia.

With Doherty, Long and McClean the most likely subs to give some impact off the bench.

Obviously tough to leave Doherty out but, as he has said himself, shoehorning him in further up the field doesn't work. He's a right back and, at a push, cover at left back. If you're trying to fit him in in some other position it's a mistake.


Robinson's more effective on the left where he can cut in. It's in this position where he's put in his best performances for PNE and WBA.

And McGoldrick's better utilised as a link player rather than as a lone centre-forward. He's not a back-to-goal, win-balls-in-the-air type of player and nor does he have the pace to offer a threat in behind.

I never understood Mick using him in that role.


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Originally posted by Dots1982 Dots1982 wrote:

Do people who have watched Coleman play not realize the main strength of his game is tirelessly attacking the oppositions byline? Playing him in a back three would be a waste of his talents that no manager would consider.

I don’t see doherty as a winger at all.

Fans may have to expect Kenny will call on Doherty when Coleman is unavailable.

The idea of shoehorning players into positions that didn’t suit them was the principle of Sven goran Ericsson’s unsuccessful tenure as England manager.
 
Not any longer. When did he last relentlessly attack a byline for us?
 
He was MOTM for Everton v Liverpool recently because of how he defended, he barely went forward. He did brilliantly against Mane that night
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by Dots1982 Dots1982 wrote:

Do people who have watched Coleman play not realize the main strength of his game is tirelessly attacking the oppositions byline? Playing him in a back three would be a waste of his talents that no manager would consider.

I don’t see doherty as a winger at all.

Fans may have to expect Kenny will call on Doherty when Coleman is unavailable.

The idea of shoehorning players into positions that didn’t suit them was the principle of Sven goran Ericsson’s unsuccessful tenure as England manager.
 
Not any longer. When did he last relentlessly attack a byline for us?
 
He was MOTM for Everton v Liverpool recently because of how he defended, he barely went forward. He did brilliantly against Mane that night

Georgia at home last year I felt he played well. Ropey games and suspended since.

He was beating players to get into the box for evertons goal yesterday. 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

As long as Young Doherty gets into the team.

He is still so young and has plenty of time on his hands. Only 29 next year. He is the future. 
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Am I allowed to dream that McClean wont be an automatic starter yet?
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Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

                 Randolph
Coleman-Duffy-Egan-Stevens
            McCarthy-Molumby
                  Hourihane
Robinson-McGoldrick-Connolly

is what I would go for at the moment in Slovakia.

With Doherty, Long and McClean the most likely subs to give some impact off the bench.

Obviously tough to leave Doherty out but, as he has said himself, shoehorning him in further up the field doesn't work. He's a right back and, at a push, cover at left back. If you're trying to fit him in in some other position it's a mistake.


Robinson's more effective on the left where he can cut in. It's in this position where he's put in his best performances for PNE and WBA.

And McGoldrick's better utilised as a link player rather than as a lone centre-forward. He's not a back-to-goal, win-balls-in-the-air type of player and nor does he have the pace to offer a threat in behind.

I never understood Mick using him in that role.

McGoldrick doesn't have to play as a lone striker in that formation though, he can be more of a link man for the other two forwards. He'll never be an out and out goalscorer himself but he's still well worth his place in the team. 
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        Randolph
Coleman Egan Duffy Stevens
    McCarthy Molumby
Doherty          Connolly
         McGoldrick
          Obafemi
               
O'Hara, O'Shea, McClean, Hourihane, Robinson, Long

Doherty has to start against Slovakia. Robinson and Long on for pace if we're chasing the game.
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If we keep possession far better than we have been and have players with pace in close proximity to McGoldrick it could potentially work, but would represent a complete sea-change in how we usually approach the game.

I still have nightmares of a completely isolated McGoldrick having balls lumped up to him from deep positions, a task to which he applied himself manfully to be fair. But I do think it would be more beneficial having McGoldrick allowed to drop deeper and able to get on the ball with Long, or whoever, as the main striker.
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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

If we keep possession far better than we have been and have players with pace in close proximity to McGoldrick it could potentially work, but would represent a complete sea-change in how we usually approach the game.

I still have nightmares of a completely isolated McGoldrick having balls lumped up to him from deep positions, a task to which he applied himself manfully to be fair. But I do think it would be more beneficial having McGoldrick allowed to drop deeper and able to get on the ball with Long, or whoever, as the main striker.
You're right - McGoldrick has been brilliant in that role for Sheff Utd. Doherty has also been excellent in his wing-back role for Wolves. Stevens too. We have a good selection of centre backs. I'm confident Kenny will give 3-5-2 a successful test drive. 

Kenny has already said he won't be playing 3 at the back initially 
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We are playing 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1. That is a certainty. Kenny has said so repeatedly and he wants to align the senior team with the system that the underage teams are playing
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                                                   Long

                  
    Connolly                                McGoldrick     

                                
                                  McCarthy                   Hendrick           Doherty



     Stevens                   Egan                          Duffy              Coleman


                                                Randolph



I think this is how we will line out or close to it in Slovakia. I reckon it will look like an unbalanced 4-3-3 at times but he can Keep the rotating 3 in the middle with McCarthy sitting slightly deeper of the triangle. Coleman and Doherty will likely rotate alot but be very defensively sound aswell with either being able to sit in and cover. I think the front 5 will be used to press the ball high. Molumby and Arter are also good options and McClean can come in for Connolly when we need to be more defensively sound on the left and Robinson on the other side when we need to change up there.. I think it will become more diverse as time goes on and based on who we play obviously. A 3 at the back is def not going to happen in the first few months. I could see us maye doing it at the Euros if we got there though.



                                            
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