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We had some great days under O'Neill. Any manager who qualifies for a tournament has done well. Should have left after the 5-1 loss to Denmark. He could never recover after that.

The last 6 months of 2017 colours most people’s views of MON. Let’s be honest, we were an hour away from the World Cup when the floodgates opened, panic set in, and the response was wrong. MON got some excellent results, played a resilient team and even in 2018 started the shoots of the rebuild with lads like Stevens and Hourihane playing more prominently.

Definitely his nadir, his Karius moment. Still hard to explain it, given his vast experience. 

I can’t help but feel if he’d introduced Wes and McGeady for Christie and Ward, dropping Meyler and Brady to RB and LB, and Arter to CDM you could have retained shape, with an attack minded team on the pitch.

It doesn't matter as we were never going to score two goals in the second half against that opposition.

The game was finished when Denmark went 2-1 up irrespective of the floodgates being opened in the second half. 

I agree the game was done. But how it finished was unacceptable, nor does the fact that we were unlikely to get back into in, excuse the capitulation. That result set the mentality of Irish football back a long way, and resulted in us registering about 10 shots on goal over the whole of 2018.
Ah stop the result set the mentality of Irish football back a long way.
How did it do this?

We went from an Uber defensive mindset to a total defensive mindset. Just don’t lose at all costs. It wasn’t as obvious without qualifiers but we did little more than defend in the friendly matches and nations league, and some games we didn’t even look like creating a chance.
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but it did set the mentality of Irish Football back a long way we were already there.
It was the calibre of player set us back more than anything 
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but it did set the mentality of Irish Football back a long way we were already there.
It was the calibre of player set us back more than anything 

The calibre of player certainly hasn’t helped. But 2018 was remarkable for how bad the football was. It became so protective that it was almost impossible to break down but you never had to worry about any form of progressive football. Norther Ireland was the worst where a very bog standard group of players generally out footballed our bog standard group of players.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

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We had some great days under O'Neill. Any manager who qualifies for a tournament has done well. Should have left after the 5-1 loss to Denmark. He could never recover after that.

The last 6 months of 2017 colours most people’s views of MON. Let’s be honest, we were an hour away from the World Cup when the floodgates opened, panic set in, and the response was wrong. MON got some excellent results, played a resilient team and even in 2018 started the shoots of the rebuild with lads like Stevens and Hourihane playing more prominently.

Definitely his nadir, his Karius moment. Still hard to explain it, given his vast experience. 

I can’t help but feel if he’d introduced Wes and McGeady for Christie and Ward, dropping Meyler and Brady to RB and LB, and Arter to CDM you could have retained shape, with an attack minded team on the pitch.

It doesn't matter as we were never going to score two goals in the second half against that opposition.

The game was finished when Denmark went 2-1 up irrespective of the floodgates being opened in the second half. 

I agree the game was done. But how it finished was unacceptable, nor does the fact that we were unlikely to get back into in, excuse the capitulation. That result set the mentality of Irish football back a long way, and resulted in us registering about 10 shots on goal over the whole of 2018.

I don't think we've fully recovered psychologically from the playoff loss given the devastating hammering we got from Denmark. The fact we couldn't settle that score against them last November is particularly grating. We had a brief feel good factor under Mick after the Denmark away result going into the summer but had a very disappointing end to the qualifying group campaign.

Qualification for the euros on home soil this summer would get that monkey off our back and be a huge boost for the country. 
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

We had some great days under O'Neill. Any manager who qualifies for a tournament has done well. Should have left after the 5-1 loss to Denmark. He could never recover after that.

The last 6 months of 2017 colours most people’s views of MON. Let’s be honest, we were an hour away from the World Cup when the floodgates opened, panic set in, and the response was wrong. MON got some excellent results, played a resilient team and even in 2018 started the shoots of the rebuild with lads like Stevens and Hourihane playing more prominently.

Definitely his nadir, his Karius moment. Still hard to explain it, given his vast experience. 

I can’t help but feel if he’d introduced Wes and McGeady for Christie and Ward, dropping Meyler and Brady to RB and LB, and Arter to CDM you could have retained shape, with an attack minded team on the pitch.

It doesn't matter as we were never going to score two goals in the second half against that opposition.

The game was finished when Denmark went 2-1 up irrespective of the floodgates being opened in the second half. 

I agree the game was done. But how it finished was unacceptable, nor does the fact that we were unlikely to get back into in, excuse the capitulation. That result set the mentality of Irish football back a long way, and resulted in us registering about 10 shots on goal over the whole of 2018.

I don't think we've fully recovered psychologically from the playoff loss given the devastating hammering we got from Denmark. The fact we couldn't settle that score against them last November is particularly grating. We had a brief feel good factor under Mick after the Denmark away result going into the summer but had a very disappointing end to the qualifying group campaign.

Qualification for the euros on home soil this summer would get that monkey off our back and be a huge boost for the country. 

The expansion of the Euros now makes it glaringly obvious who the good, the bad and the ugly are. Not qualifying, with any credible footballing pedigree, and a record of qualifying for tournaments exemplifies how poor a team is. You’re spot on that it would make a massive difference and wash away the disaster.
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but did it set the mentality of Irish Football back a long way we were already there.
It was the calibre of player set us back more than anything 
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You have to wonder how he made it as far as he did though in management.  His team talks back in the day must have been unreal considering training was abysmal and tactics were non existent.

Personally think he had a lot of circumstantial luck.  The expanded euros not only gave him a by for finishing 3rd which would normally see you get the sack, but then having the luxury of the expanded Euro with top 3 in the group qualifying and he got to play a reserve Italian side.

From all accounts I have rad on him from ex Leicester players and Celtic, and Sunderland it just seems like he was absolutely winging it.
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You have to wonder how he made it as far as he did though in management.  His team talks back in the day must have been unreal considering training was abysmal and tactics were non existent.

Personally think he had a lot of circumstantial luck.  The expanded euros not only gave him a by for finishing 3rd which would normally see you get the sack, but then having the luxury of the expanded Euro with top 3 in the group qualifying and he got to play a reserve Italian side.

From all accounts I have rad on him from ex Leicester players and Celtic, and Sunderland it just seems like he was absolutely winging it.

Who are the former Leicester, Celtic and Sunderland players you reference?



Matt Elliott,  Craig Bellamy, Wayne Bridge.   There are more examples of players to questions him.
The whole of Nottingham Forest's squad.  Young Doherty, Jon Walters, and Paulo Di Canio who inherited a mess at Sunderland and said the training under MON was apparently a joke.


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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

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You have to wonder how he made it as far as he did though in management.  His team talks back in the day must have been unreal considering training was abysmal and tactics were non existent.

Personally think he had a lot of circumstantial luck.  The expanded euros not only gave him a by for finishing 3rd which would normally see you get the sack, but then having the luxury of the expanded Euro with top 3 in the group qualifying and he got to play a reserve Italian side.

From all accounts I have rad on him from ex Leicester players and Celtic, and Sunderland it just seems like he was absolutely winging it.

Who are the former Leicester, Celtic and Sunderland players you reference?



Matt Elliott,  Craig Bellamy, Wayne Bridge.   There are more examples of players to questions him.
The whole of Nottingham Forest's squad.  Young Doherty, Jon Walters, and Paulo Di Canio who inherited a mess at Sunderland and said the training under MON was apparently a joke.
Bellamy said on sky that o Neil could make you feel like you were the best player in the world 
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The game just passed him by and he never really adapted. Managers in general have a shorter shelf life now, that doesn’t change how good he was.
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Martin O'Neill would have been some manager if he'd been in charge of Everton in 1985
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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

You have to wonder how he made it as far as he did though in management.  His team talks back in the day must have been unreal considering training was abysmal and tactics were non existent.

Personally think he had a lot of circumstantial luck.  The expanded euros not only gave him a by for finishing 3rd which would normally see you get the sack, but then having the luxury of the expanded Euro with top 3 in the group qualifying and he got to play a reserve Italian side.

From all accounts I have rad on him from ex Leicester players and Celtic, and Sunderland it just seems like he was absolutely winging it.

Who are the former Leicester, Celtic and Sunderland players you reference?



Matt Elliott,  Craig Bellamy, Wayne Bridge.   There are more examples of players to questions him.
The whole of Nottingham Forest's squad.  Young Doherty, Jon Walters, and Paulo Di Canio who inherited a mess at Sunderland and said the training under MON was apparently a joke.
Bellamy said on sky that o Neil could make you feel like you were the best player in the world 



Pity he didnt get any of the irish lads to at least play like the best players in Ireland 
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A lot of players spoke well of his motivational abilities.  We all know he was good at that back in the day. Not now.  But his complete lack of any game plan and just turning up is laughable.

The quotes tend to be along the lines the lines of ''Martin wouldn't do anything tactical. He would read out the team and we would have to ask ourselves - 'where am I playing? but Martin would make you feel 11 ft tall' sort of thing.

There are very few players who will rip to shreds a former manager unless they actually hate them and will merely infer what it was like.

There's loads of examples out there.  McGeady and Walters said he hadn't a clue what the formation was and the players had to figure it out.  Hartson loved MON yet said the same thing.  He said when we played Wales that there was no tactical work at Celtic.  Matt Doherty said they would have a kick about in training and that was basically it. 
I don't think its any co-incidence once John Robertson left his side he was lost. He was the brains behind MON.

You know its bad when the Nottingham Forest players went to the chairman to tell them MON was not fit for purpose telling him the training was a joke and the tactics were abysmal.




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It could be that MON had put a tactical coach, formation coach etc. So pretty much delegated responsibility to specialists. Which would also be good management.

But I guess we're not really hearing that that was the case. He was definitely a motivator in early years but I felt he was a bit toxic in the Ireland and forest period.

Agree that, if true, he just picked the starting eleven and expected them to self organise. This would be comical and partly explain a lot when watching ireland play under him.




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So it seems that Forest are comfortably in the play off spots.

What's MON up to these days?
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I was really pleased and had high hopes for ireland under MON. I had no illusions that we would become a great team under him, as I dont think we have the players but I really didn't expect he'd turn out to be such a disaster.

I think we had a couple of good games to be fair but overall it was very toxic
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Well, he doesn't go chasing popularity, I'll give him that! Nor does he waste time "thinking of the children" LOL

Martin O'Neill objects to planning application for youth football ground in Donegal

Former Republic of Ireland manager Martin O'Neill has lodged an objection against the development of a football ground for a youth team in Donegal.

Dunfanaghy Youths, who have been homeless for two years, have made a planning application for premises which includes a pitch and clubhouse.

However, O'Neill owns a derelict 18th-century county house nearby and is attempting to block the application.

His objection says the area is "not appropriate" for such a development.

"Ultimately Horn Head, a secluded and protected area, with especially high scenic amenity status is simply not appropriate for a large public gathering facility, ie a stadium," O'Neill's written submission to Donegal County Council states.

The proposed development at Lurgabrack in Dunfanaghy, which is backed by the Football Association of Ireland, would also consist of a training pitch and spectator stand.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52984427




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Most of us already knew he was anti-football, but he’s succeeded in confirming it!

On a serious note, a man objecting to a football pitch and clubhouse for young lads in order to protect his interests in a vacant and dilapidated 18th century property tells you all you need to know about him. A property constructed by Captain Charles Stewart for poppy-wearing Martin. Thankfully there are enough Derry citizens who have remained true to themselves and their heritage.
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