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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

 

Would suggest you take a look at what the MUST, Spirit of Shankly etc are saying and doing.
SOS are meeting with Billy Hogan today for example, as mandated to do by their members. 

I agree that both have put out manifestos, but I can help but feel that they are somewhat "pie in the sky", especially MUST's requests in terms of a share issue. The truth is, as unpalatable as it may be, we have gone beyond the point of no return when it comes to the commercial interests of football, especially the clubs which also have a brand running with them. No owner, is going to nominally give up control, without their investment being returned, let alone handing an equal share in terms of how it is run, for little return . The only way that control will be relinquished is if the supporters can put together a consortium, which is big enough to overtake the existing owners. Or alternatively, see it on a "representative democratic" basis were owners that share their values take over the club.

Going back to basics is what supporters who want the "real experience" may need to do, and that might involve defecting from the big "club", in lieu of the supporters led initiatives which exist in places like Manchester and London already, where you can buy shares, or voting membership, or cheap season tickets, and have your say in the running of new and developing clubs that have, ingrained in their culture fan ownership, local representation etc.

It might not be popular, as people may see it as me implicitly arguing that protests like these don't work. But I'm not arguing that. Brendan has rightly mentioned Chelsea offering supporters involvement in board meetings, but a quick look at Chelsea's website would suggest that it will be a window dressing exercise, where the supporters nominated will have no real say, will have no vote, and will sign confidentiality agreements.  It has the vibe of "bring your kid to work day", so its not really a concession.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

 

Would suggest you take a look at what the MUST, Spirit of Shankly etc are saying and doing.
SOS are meeting with Billy Hogan today for example, as mandated to do by their members. 

I agree that both have put out manifestos, but I can help but feel that they are somewhat "pie in the sky", especially MUST's requests in terms of a share issue. The truth is, as unpalatable as it may be, we have gone beyond the point of no return when it comes to the commercial interests of football, especially the clubs which also have a brand running with them. No owner, is going to nominally give up control, without their investment being returned, let alone handing an equal share in terms of how it is run, for little return . The only way that control will be relinquished is if the supporters can put together a consortium, which is big enough to overtake the existing owners. Or alternatively, see it on a "representative democratic" basis were owners that share their values take over the club.

Going back to basics is what supporters who want the "real experience" may need to do, and that might involve defecting from the big "club", in lieu of the supporters led initiatives which exist in places like Manchester and London already, where you can buy shares, or voting membership, or cheap season tickets, and have your say in the running of new and developing clubs that have, ingrained in their culture fan ownership, local representation etc.

It might not be popular, as people may see it as me implicitly arguing that protests like these don't work. But I'm not arguing that. Brendan has rightly mentioned Chelsea offering supporters involvement in board meetings, but a quick look at Chelsea's website would suggest that it will be a window dressing exercise, where the supporters nominated will have no real say, will have no vote, and will sign confidentiality agreements.  It has the vibe of "bring your kid to work day", so its not really a concession.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

 

Would suggest you take a look at what the MUST, Spirit of Shankly etc are saying and doing.
SOS are meeting with Billy Hogan today for example, as mandated to do by their members. 

I agree that both have put out manifestos, but I can help but feel that they are somewhat "pie in the sky", especially MUST's requests in terms of a share issue. The truth is, as unpalatable as it may be, we have gone beyond the point of no return when it comes to the commercial interests of football, especially the clubs which also have a brand running with them. No owner, is going to nominally give up control, without their investment being returned, let alone handing an equal share in terms of how it is run, for little return . The only way that control will be relinquished is if the supporters can put together a consortium, which is big enough to overtake the existing owners. Or alternatively, see it on a "representative democratic" basis were owners that share their values take over the club.

Going back to basics is what supporters who want the "real experience" may need to do, and that might involve defecting from the big "club", in lieu of the supporters led initiatives which exist in places like Manchester and London already, where you can buy shares, or voting membership, or cheap season tickets, and have your say in the running of new and developing clubs that have, ingrained in their culture fan ownership, local representation etc.

It might not be popular, as people may see it as me implicitly arguing that protests like these don't work. But I'm not arguing that. Brendan has rightly mentioned Chelsea offering supporters involvement in board meetings, but a quick look at Chelsea's website would suggest that it will be a window dressing exercise, where the supporters nominated will have no real say, will have no vote, and will sign confidentiality agreements.  It has the vibe of "bring your kid to work day", so its not really a concession.

I'd rather wait and see what happens before writing the whole thing off. Make no mistake, supporters played a key role in getting Hicks and Gillet out of Liverpool: This wouldn't have happened if they had written the whole thing off as you outlined above. 

SOS's report that the meeting with Billy Hogan went well and there was an acknowledgment that the lack of meaningful engagement with supporters cannot continue. SOS were clear on what they felt was acceptable so the ball is with the club now. 
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Reports that Cavani has signed up for another year. Great news.

He has been excellent the last few games, the likes of Rashford and Greenwood could learn a lot from him, be delighted if he signed on for another year!
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Originally posted by BigPodge BigPodge wrote:

Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Reports that Cavani has signed up for another year. Great news.

He has been excellent the last few games, the likes of Rashford and Greenwood could learn a lot from him, be delighted if he signed on for another year!

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Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Originally posted by BigPodge BigPodge wrote:

Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Reports that Cavani has signed up for another year. Great news.

He has been excellent the last few games, the likes of Rashford and Greenwood could learn a lot from him, be delighted if he signed on for another year!

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Originally posted by BigPodge BigPodge wrote:

Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Originally posted by BigPodge BigPodge wrote:

Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Reports that Cavani has signed up for another year. Great news.

He has been excellent the last few games, the likes of Rashford and Greenwood could learn a lot from him, be delighted if he signed on for another year!

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He is a handsome bastard in fairness!

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That goal yesterday 🤤
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That goal yesterday 🤤
Big signing for them. Does he score more for them coming off the bench? Must be a nightmare for defenders with him coming on as players tire. His movement off the ball is phenomenal. Classic centre forward play. Looks disinterested,then comes alive and the ball is in the net
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That goal yesterday 🤤
Big signing for them. Does he score more for them coming off the bench? Must be a nightmare for defenders with him coming on as players tire. His movement off the ball is phenomenal. Classic centre forward play. Looks disinterested,then comes alive and the ball is in the net

As well as his brilliant CF play he tracks back a lot and helps out defensively, prevented a tap in for Villa yesterday with a brilliant defensive header.

I think he has equaled Solskjaer's record of scoring off the bench for Man U, will hopefully beat that over the next few games, not sure if he has more when compared to when he starts though.
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Originally posted by BigPodge BigPodge wrote:

Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

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That goal yesterday 🤤
Big signing for them. Does he score more for them coming off the bench? Must be a nightmare for defenders with him coming on as players tire. His movement off the ball is phenomenal. Classic centre forward play. Looks disinterested,then comes alive and the ball is in the net

As well as his brilliant CF play he tracks back a lot and helps out defensively, prevented a tap in for Villa yesterday with a brilliant defensive header.

I think he has equaled Solskjaer's record of scoring off the bench for Man U, will hopefully beat that over the next few games, not sure if he has more when compared to when he starts though.

 
OGS and Chicarito share the record with him, one more goal and it's Cavani's
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Looking forward to seeing Amad and Elanga who are both starting this evening's game!
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I know Solskjaer might not have much choice but it's an awful weak starting line up. 
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they won't be happy with the united line up in scouseville...
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I suppose they would rather lose to Leicester that against Pool! 
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Just when I thought United had weathered the storm and kept it at 1-1, they concede on a set piece when they had just brought cavalry on. 

Leicester deserved it in fairness. 
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