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Must be very frustrating to be a Liverpool fan. We all know their potential. They have a phenomenal attack but if they're misfiring or having an off day there really isn't an alternative. A long season ahead for them. The manager gets an awful lot of slack for his personality but the truth is he hasn't been able to manage them correctly, yes he kept Coutinho but who has he brought in to strengthen them? Another fast attacker, a mediocre Arsenal squad player, a championship left back, if they're looking to compete for the league it's not good enough and the manager should be held accountable.
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Some serious over-reaction here. Before the last international break, things looked a lot different so this break might be coming at the right time. 
Yes, there are some issues at the back but we are still creating chances (hence my post above wondering if there is anywhere to see the expected goals per game stats) so if that continues then it's only a matter of time before we start scoring again. Obviously it's been slightly disappointing recently but the season is still very young. 
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I thought you were taking the piss with your expected goals stat LOL
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Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Expected goals stats

Not sure what is funny about that - They are a valid, useful and pretty much universally used across top level football.
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Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

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Not sure what is funny about that - They are a valid, useful and pretty much universally used across top level football.
It's just that I've never heard of it. Thought It was a makey up phrase
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Liverpool is just the same old sh*te we have seen for the last 25-30 years, some good players mixed in with some woeful players, this is why they are never consistent and will never really challenge.




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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Liverpool - England's Mayo.





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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Expected goals stats


Not sure what is funny about that - They are a valid, useful and pretty much universally used across top level football.


Can you point me in the direction of these valid, useful and pretty much universally used stats because I like BSM have never heard of such a thing.
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Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Expected goals stats


Not sure what is funny about that - They are a valid, useful and pretty much universally used across top level football.


Can you point me in the direction of these valid, useful and pretty much universally used stats because I like BSM have never heard of such a thing.

Here are a couple of articles that explain the stat and how it is used :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/25/expected-goals-xg-does-show-man-city-should-win-premier-league/

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/30/expected-goals-big-football-data-leicester-city-norwich

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40699431
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Expected goal stat

It's fairly common metric used,Opta have a huge database and it's started to go mainstream lately.
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For a team that is expected to make 4 and put in some sort of a title challenge this article is a smidge on the worrying side.

http://www.empireofthekop.com/2017/10/02/jaw-dropping-stats-prove-lfcs-defence-is-of-relegation-standard/


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What is this expected goal stat anyway
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Expected goals stats

Not sure what is funny about that - They are a valid, useful and pretty much universally used across top level football.

Yeah, I found it rather strange how lads haven't heard of the expected goal stat tbh.

It's as mainstream as most stats nowadays like and very interesting! 
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Expected goals stats

Not sure what is funny about that - They are a valid, useful and pretty much universally used across top level football.

Yeah, I found it rather strange how lads haven't heard of the expected goal stat tbh.

It's as mainstream as most stats nowadays like and very interesting! 

Like all of these stats, they don't tell you the full story on their own but help towards building a picture and can certainly help coaches looking to address issues.
In this instance, and without having seen the stats for Liverpool recently, I can't help but feel that the stat would be high and given we haven't been scoring too many goals, that would lead me to conclude that we are still creating chances but not taking them, which should hopefully change. 
But it would help to actually see the stats !
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That we're creating the chances is a big plus, be a lot worse if this wasn't happening, but we're still taking only a small minority of them nearly 2 months into the season and the defensive issues are still glaringly obvious 2 years into Klopp's time in charge - why hasn't this been sorted?
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