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The funny thing is that these dual nationality guys are never, ever good enough to play for England so they are mainly deluded.

It must be many years since an ROI eligible player who we were trying to secure became a full England international instead.
I think that misses the point somewhat too, for some they might realise it is England or nothing and, unfortunately, there is little that can be done about it.


Also as pointed out before the likes of Jamie Vardy has given these lads hope that they could break in later in life.

Do you think a 22 year Jamie Vardy would have had any chance of making an England squad?
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Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

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Ryan Bertrand, Gary Cahill, Nathan Redmond, Wayne Rooney, James Milner,  Michael Keane, (Joe Hart?). The list goes on.

Were any of those actively courted by the FAI and in the frame to be selected by a current Irish manager? I'm not talking about a list of England players who were eligible on paper to represent the ROI. I'm talking about players we were expressly interested in and wanted to bring into our current squad, who snubbed us and became full England internationals instead.

Bertrand and Cahill were. Keane and Milner played for us at underage level!
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

The funny thing is that these dual nationality guys are never, ever good enough to play for England so they are mainly deluded.

It must be many years since an ROI eligible player who we were trying to secure became a full England international instead.
I think that misses the point somewhat too, for some they might realise it is England or nothing and, unfortunately, there is little that can be done about it.


Also as pointed out before the likes of Jamie Vardy has given these lads hope that they could break in later in life.

Do you think a 22 year Jamie Vardy would have had any chance of making an England squad?
There are certainly elements of that too. There are a wide range of factors and influences but people would rather jump in and start a witch hunt.
I think in this particular instance that Kelly has clearly been badly advised.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

The funny thing is that these dual nationality guys are never, ever good enough to play for England so they are mainly deluded.

It must be many years since an ROI eligible player who we were trying to secure became a full England international instead.
I think that misses the point somewhat too, for some they might realise it is England or nothing and, unfortunately, there is little that can be done about it.


Also as pointed out before the likes of Jamie Vardy has given these lads hope that they could break in later in life.

Do you think a 22 year Jamie Vardy would have had any chance of making an England squad?
There are certainly elements of that too. There are a wide range of factors and influences but people would rather jump in and start a witch hunt.
I think in this particular instance that Kelly has clearly been badly advised.


Yep i think so too, but as the lad said he had personal reasons for not joining up, people were quick to right off Scott Hogan but he has gone on to play for us now. The only thing as someone pointed out now is if he can make amends with MON.( tbh all this probably takes is a phonecall or a text Wink )
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Ryan Bertrand, Gary Cahill, Nathan Redmond, Wayne Rooney, James Milner,  Michael Keane, (Joe Hart?). The list goes on.

Were any of those actively courted by the FAI and in the frame to be selected by a current Irish manager? I'm not talking about a list of England players who were eligible on paper to represent the ROI. I'm talking about players we were expressly interested in and wanted to bring into our current squad, who snubbed us and became full England internationals instead.

Bertrand and Cahill were. Keane and Milner played for us at underage level!
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I really dont think so. Unless at under 15 or something.
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..just pick up the phone and tell MON you want to play for Ireland..how hard can it be?
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He did at U-15/16, or so I've heard.
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That came up here before somewhere, I think it was exposed as a myth. Milner played for Leeds at 16, we would have heard about it at that time if he had played for us only 2/3 years earlier. There might even be an old thread on it somewhere. 






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As for Kelly, it has the makings of Grealish II, MON has rightfully made clear he won't be chasing him, the ball is in his court now & that's about all there is to be said about it until he declares for us or England. He hasn't really achieved enough in the game to make the coveted cause celebre status on here either, so I don't think this will be another 300 page effort. 





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Would he even feature for us under the current regime?


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i think people who wanted this as a stick to beat MON with should recognize that he is free of blame on this one 
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by John Wick John Wick wrote:

Would he even feature for us under the current regime?


Give it a f**king rest and stop trying to turn everything into digs at the current management team 

The point that MON called him up initially you'd say yes
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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

As for Kelly, it has the makings of Grealish II, MON has rightfully made clear he won't be chasing him, the ball is in his court now & that's about all there is to be said about it until he declares for us or England. He hasn't really achieved enough in the game to make the coveted cause celebre status on here either, so I don't think this will be another 300 page effort. 






Don't think it has anywhere near the same hype potential as the Grealish situation, nor is it as clear what is happening. With Grealish, the silence was fairly deafening, with Kelly, there's contradictory information coming from all angles. MON did seem to jump the gun with the "he wants to play for England" line, with both Kelly and his entourage denying this with varying degrees of vigour.
In any case, it's a messy one, and whereas Grealish seemed dead-set on what he wanted, I can't help but feel this situation could have been defused with a more subtle line of diplomacy (from both sides).


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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by John Wick John Wick wrote:

Would he even feature for us under the current regime?


Give it a f**king rest and stop trying to turn everything into digs at the current management team 

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i also remember seeing somewhere that james milner played for ireland u15 not sure the veracity of it but as mentioned its a rumor thats definitely done the rounds over the years
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

He did at U-15/16, or so I've heard.


Nope ...Milner never represented Ireland, not even talk of it....made his debut at Leeds 16yrs old and it was pretty big news at the time, if he'd played for Ireland before that it would have been common knowledge

Aron Lennon who broke through at Leeds at a similar age had an Irish mother but he never played for Ireland either

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