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Cabra Hoop
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Good - Michael Harding, Keith Duggan, Brian Glanville, Miriam Lord, Tobias Jones....Bad - Fintan O Toole, Eamon Sweeney, Paul Williams
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The GerK
Moderator Group Razor you wanna pint?...2 minutes later Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 20473 |
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Sweeney one of the most under celebrated writers in Ireland. As you say, agree or not he is very sharp with a pen
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25068 |
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http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html
"So itโs unfair to compare soccer with hurling. The first is a game, the second an art. And like all great art, it ennobles not just the creator but the connoisseur" Good writer or not, Sweeney (who was probably dancing in the streets like the rest of us during Italia 90) can get fooked. Hurling is an "art" that no country gives a fook about outside of Ireland. Any achievements in either of the two main gah sports will always pale in comparison to our national football team qualifying for a world cup or any major tournament. If we had beaten Serbia (the game Sweeney was alluding to) that night at home, it would've seen us qualify as group winners with only a point needed in Wales. An entertaining hurling final doesn't compare to qualification for a major tournament on the international stage. The qualification/months of build up and the whole country being behind the Irish team is something the sport which Sweeney calls an art, will never ever surpass. Rant over anyway
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Borussia
Roy Keane Joined: 14 Oct 2010 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 10702 |
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Mark Tighe and Paul Rowen
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Newryrep
Paul McGrath Just can't get enough of lists Joined: 14 Jan 2009 Status: Offline Points: 15254 |
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Indeed - good call
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'Irish' Songs for an Irish team - no SPL EPL generic sh*te
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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I used to read his GAA columns though, despite having a strong hatred of the association and no interest at all in the games themselves. As I mentioned, I very rarely agree with him at all, but always enjoy the way it is put across.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32741 |
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yeah I think there a few differences here
There are very good writers such as Sweeney and whether you agree or disagree you can admire the writing. Then there are good journalists who work on a story and investigate it and are brave in their follow up and analyse it and present it in a fashion that the reader can understand. Tighe and Rowan fall into that category. People who work in an industry and do a piece on a Sunday in relation to their area of expertise are not really journalists in my view.
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Many times in recent years there has been a stark contrast between the brilliance of the hurling final and the utter turgidity of Ireland qualifiers Bizarre "point" about hurling not being popular outside Ireland, as if that has any connection to its worth as a sport - it doesn't - it only demonstrates that Ireland is a tiny country without much historical or contemporary international political, cultural or media influence Ireland didn't qualify for the 2018 World Cup, if they'd got enough points to qualify, they'd have qualified, but they didn't, so they didn't If they'd won the play-off, they'd have qualified, but they didn't, so they didn't, and neither will they be qualifying for a World Cup for a long time Not sure how you make out the Ireland team qualifying for the last 16 at a 24 team Euros is a greater sporting achievement than winning an All-Ireland, but carry on Think you'll find that winning an All-Ireland is celebrated as much and more in most counties than Ireland qualifying for a finals in association football I suppose being from a county which has never won an All-Ireland in your lifetime you wouldn't be in the best position to know that |
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32741 |
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hurling is a niche sport in Ireland never mind the rest of the world.
Achievements at an elite world level in football far surpass achievements in hurling due to pure size of population playing the sport and the competition just to become an elite professional in the first place. Hurling is a great sport and entertainment levels have been off the Richter scale in comparison to Irish World Cup qualifiers of the last 20 or so year.
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Depends what you count as an achievement, Ireland haven't had many in history, I'd consider Kilkenny's four in a row well ahead of Ireland reaching the last 16 of a Euros in terms of achievement, not least because they actually won the biggest trophy in their sport, not once but four times, and some of those players won it eight or nine times For the similar reasons I'd consider Wigan's eight in a row Challenge Cups between 1988 and 1995 as a far bigger sporting achievement than Ireland reaching a Euros
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sid waddell
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Also nobody really cares that much about international football these days, it's gone a bit like the FA Cup
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Borussia
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The thing is though, only a handful of counties have a realistic opportunity of winning the All-Ireland.
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sid waddell
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You can say that about pretty much any elite competition in team sport I mean who realistically thought any team outside Liverpool or the Sheikhs could win the Premier League this season Who realistically thought any team outside about five or six teams could win the 2018 World Cup, and that's a cup competition |
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Borussia
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But probably around 30 teams could realistically think they'd have a chance of making the last 16 at the Euros.
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Shedite
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Apples and Oranges lads
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sid waddell
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And over 50% of them did
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25068 |
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Believe me Sid, it means more to you than it does to me if Mayo win an All-Ireland. I would swap Mayo never winning it for Conor Ray Charles Hourihane burying his 5 yard chance in Slovakia. It's 'we' and 'us' when it's Liverpool and 'they' when it comes to Ireland but I suspect that might be fishing more than anything so congrats hook,line and sinker on that one The bigger achievement is how our country does on the international stage. As someone that follows Mayo in the gah and enjoys watching hurling matches, any achievement in the gah sport has nowhere near the impact around the world in sporting terms the way a last minute Robbie Keane equaliser against Germany would. In terms of a spectator sport hurling is probably more exciting to watch than football and I can understand Sweeney saying the hurling final was more enjoyable than the Ireland qualifier. Objectively speaking it was but his description of hurling being an art in comparison to the football was pretentious 'proper mans game' gah bollocks.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32741 |
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The competition to be an elite footballer is far more onerous than to be an elite footballer. A k knowledge of basic maths and logic would.tell you that.
Good spot muf on the calling liverpool we ๐๐๐ You would wonder why sid even appears on this site when hurling, premier league football and the Russians and trump are far bigger interests of his than irish football. Edited by Baldrick - 01 Feb 2021 at 10:54pm |
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