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Declanus
Davey Langan Joined: 16 Mar 2012 Location: Irlanda Status: Offline Points: 881 |
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The Sinn Fein of the 1920's are not the same party of today. I genuily feel sorry for some of their candidates but until Adams is man enough to admits he was in the IRA they won't make that big breakthrough in the Republic |
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Stillhuntinghenry
Jack Charlton useless at posting links Joined: 23 Nov 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8149 |
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...even if he wasn't |
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"Not one cent" - RTID on Mark Quigley's pay-off from Shamrock
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Tippbiffo
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Mar 2012 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 1199 |
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I never voted for sinn fein and can never see myself voting sein fein.
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MasterOfApples
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 28 Apr 2014 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 447 |
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I'm with you and I am slightly puzzled as to why people are voting for them. Actually, I'm not puzzled at all; I know that answer. They are taking training from their new comrades FF in the art of populism and despite all the hardship that people have suffered since the Celtic tiger left, people are still falling for the same old populist, idealistic claptrap from our politicians. They were always the masters of victim politics. We see that every time someone tries to challenge them. It is always an attack on SF. It will be very interesting to see how their old-school members, in particular, react when they form or try to form a government with FF after the next general election. They will get destroyed in government playing second fiddle, just like the Greens, PD & Labour have. Edited by MasterOfApples - 17 May 2014 at 11:05pm |
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Landon Donovan
Paul McGrath Sheldon Cooper Joined: 27 Aug 2010 Location: Neutral Zone Status: Offline Points: 15708 |
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It's easy to be against literally everything.
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EastStandMan
Liam Brady I am Shamrock Rovers Joined: 11 Apr 2013 Location: D12 Hoop Status: Offline Points: 2299 |
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I will be voting Sinn Fein and am considering joining as well . Gerry will resign when the time is right and not at the behest of gangsters posing as TD"s or the mostly right wing media . C"mon the Shinners - lets rock the boat .
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Shamrock Rovers - lovin the buzz .
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Landon Donovan
Paul McGrath Sheldon Cooper Joined: 27 Aug 2010 Location: Neutral Zone Status: Offline Points: 15708 |
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Right wing media
Apart from a tiny few columnist's, we have a disgracefully left wing media. |
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Artie Ziff
Ray Houghton Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Status: Offline Points: 3619 |
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The Sinners will get loads of the 'f**k that shower' vote. As in used to vote one of the big two parties but won't anymore.
I give my vote to independents and will never vote for any party |
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It would damage this forums' reputation
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MasterOfApples
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 28 Apr 2014 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 447 |
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Right wing in Ireland. No such thing. The 'Front National party' in France is an example of a right wing party. We have always had centre, centre-right or left wing bodies in this country. A right wing party might come to the fore in times to come, when the country matures a little but it is still in its rebellious teenage years, so we are stuck with what we have at the moment and anything that falls outside those boundaries or people don't like is "right wing" and baadddd. The media is liberal in this country, with a small few more conservative exceptions. It was conservative in decades gone.
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nvidic
Moderator Group Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Status: Online Points: 18998 |
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Don't see it happening, fine gael or fianna fail would see their vote collapse over night for doing it |
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Mainstream media in every country will always tend to be conservative and Ireland is no different. A few token left-wing columnists doesn't change that. Certainly the notion that the media in Ireland is "left-wing" is an utterly laughable one. |
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seanyshuffler
Jack Charlton PM snitch Joined: 09 Jun 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9538 |
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The media in Ireland is monopolised under Independent news and media. The Independent, The Herald, Sindo, Sunday World and half of the Star are owned by the one entity. Couple this with prominent radio stations like Newstalk and 98fm and a lot of media that people engage with in this country are centred under the one voice.
Every political piece written by these papers have to be approved by Fionnan Sheahan (Group political editor of INM). If anyone's ever read anything he's written or seen him on VB (before he lost his head on it) than you could argue that there's a certain agenda alright. |
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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In terms of economics, the media in this country is deeply conservative and generally follows the agenda of Fianna Fail and Fine Gael. It did during the Celtic Tiger years and continues to do so. That certainly isn't surprising given that media organisations are businesses and rely on advertising. Advertisers don't like views which go against the line of establishment politics. The media line is, in general, pro-establishment politics, pro-big business and anti-worker. Trade unions get almost uniformly negative media coverage. In terms of political parties, INM has been running a well documented smear campaign against Sinn Fein for as long as anybody can remember. People at this stage are so sick of these smears that it has become an electoral asset to Sinn Fein, if anything. An oft-touted view in the media is that Gerry Adams is a liability to Sinn Fein and they can never hope to make serious gains as long as he is on the scene. All evidence so far shows that this is incorrect and deeply wishful thinking on the part of the media - Adams is the most popular and respected leader of any party and Sinn Fein continue to make gains. The Indo even deluded themselves into thinking Adams would fail to win a seat in Louth at the last general election - of course he topped the poll and romped home. While Labour haven't done themselves many favours since being in government, they take a far harder hit from the media than Fine Gael, who as the senior coalition partner clearly have the whip hand in terms of the policy of this government. Yet if you were to take what the media says at face value, Labour alone are destroying the country. In terms of immigration, there has been no shortage of sensationalistic stories designed to whip up resentment against immigrants among "the plain people of Ireland". |
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Sheahan is a lightweight and his performances on the Vincent Browne programme (before he spectacularly threw his toys out of the pram when Browne asked him a couple of very reasonable questions) bear that out - arrogant, smug, and loves the sound of his own voice despite almost never adding anything of value to any debate any time he appeared on the programme. That doesn't stop him from believing that he's the oracle on Irish politics, however. He also apparently failed first year Arts in UCC three times. A true mediocrity.
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horsebox
Robbie Keane Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 34871 |
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What happened with Fionnan Sheahan on VB?
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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What makes it funnier is that this clip is from the very start of the programme in question - Sheahan just launched into his tirade with no prompting. |
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seanyshuffler
Jack Charlton PM snitch Joined: 09 Jun 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9538 |
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http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/elections/adams-set-for-biggest-act-of-escapology-since-haughey-30282710.html
No agenda by the INM news and media at all. Few gems in this piece too. BLISS indeed is it this morning to wake up in the capital and be a Sinn Fein candidate. Even that old political revenant Gerry Adams might be forgiven a toothy grin, for while the voters do not like him very much it doesn't seem to matter very much. The party's leader has, during the course of this campaign, been questioned for four days over the murder of Jean McConville, while a second ghost involving his handling of the sexual abuse suffered by the Sinn Fein leader's niece also surfaced last week. And yet we find Sinn Fein's Lynn Boylan is now duelling with Fine Gael's Brian Hayes for the capital cock-pit. Even Bertie (and quite a few bishops) would be impressed by that level of Teflon. Of course, the cautious Irish electorate is also taking the canny side bet of sending Brian Hayes to Europe to ensure they have a man in a suit who can wing it with the respectable people But despite a somewhat strange wobble by the normally steady Mr Hayes in the previous Millward Brown poll, that was always going to be the case. When it comes to Sinn Fein, the electorate appears to be in the mood to, in the case of Mr Adams, discount the sins of the past in a similar manner to a bad debt built up in the boom. Our voters, agitated beyond reason by the serial failings of our conventional political class, have decided that, in the words of Henry Ford, history is bunk... but only for some parties. Their decision means Mr Adams is set for the greatest act of political escapology since Charlie Haughey shook the dust of the Arms Trial off his aristocratic feet and ensconced himself in the Taoiseach's office. Outside of the top two, for now Nessa Childers remains on course for a 'shock' victory. But Labour's nightmare in a flowing dress has slipped somewhat back into the pack and is no longer quite so assured of success. In contrast, Labour's Emer Costello is evolving into the blood-on-the-blouse style Bernie Malone of this contest. Against almost insuperable odds the tenacity and the courage of the blood, sweat and tears Costello and Labour are bringing to the fight are even attracting the praise of Labour's political rivals and might yet save their stricken Tanaiste. Before two more years of Mr Gilmore puts too big a smile on your Sunday morning faces, this is a race that is not over yet. The transfers of Eamon Ryan, who in common with the other left candidates has become fatally detached from the herd, may have a big say yet in deciding whether Labour can escape the vengeful phantom of a Green-party-style meltdown. In contrast, though she is still in the pack Fianna Fail's Mary Fitzpatrick does not, on these numbers, have the finishing speed provided by a healthy dose of transfers to overtake her nearest rivals. Fianna Fail whether it likes it or not, is still the Unforgiven one of the capital and Ms Fitzpatrick's vote bodes ill for its local and by-election prospects. In contrast, Sinn Fein brings to mind the poet Emily Dickinson's famous warning that 'the heart wants what it wants, or else it does not care'. On this occasion the fanatic heart of the electorate has chosen the 'Cinderella girl' of Sinn Fein and Nessa Childers, while the pragmatic head is sending Brian Hayes along to do the heavy lifting. Though they are very different political creatures, to put it mildly, their success brings a quite intriguing prospect to mind. The man whose name can no longer apparently be mentioned in polite Fine Gael society, Frank Flannery, once floated the prospect of some future Sinn Fein/Fine Gael alliance. To date all the talk has been of a Fine Gael/Fianna Fail coalition. On today's Sunday Independent/Millward Brown figures, however, such is the scale of the voters' disenchantment with the old ways of doing things, even this alternative would not command a capital majority. It would take a Fine Gael leader with a big ego and a scant sense of political danger to broker such a FG/SF alliance, but Enda in 2016 (should he be still around) may be faced with this landscape. It is a prospect that would evoke no small amount of political shrieking but, whatever about the blueshirts, Sinn Fein is not at all fussy about what variation of political wife-swapping it indulges in. Just look at who its partners are in the North. |
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Stillhuntinghenry
Jack Charlton useless at posting links Joined: 23 Nov 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8149 |
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Article in todays Journal. http://m.derryjournal.com/news/politics/is-this-standing-up-for-derry-eastwood-asks-mcguinness-1-6066481 No fan of Eastwood or sdlp but this is on the money. Sf slogan is "standing up for Derry". What a load of bollocks !! Edited by Stillhuntinghenry - 18 May 2014 at 7:44pm |
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"Not one cent" - RTID on Mark Quigley's pay-off from Shamrock
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