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Originally posted by JohnSwift JohnSwift wrote:

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I suppose James would point to the distinction between glorifying oppressive/imperialist violence compared to reactionary violence by those being victimised. In any case, I think it's pretty likely James has little interest in history or education, and this was simply intended as a bit of absurdity that no one in their right mind would interpret as being serious.

That’s just a ridiculously stupid post. Justifying one type of violence over another. That’s the type of sh*t you read on the OWC forum. Lads there are so blinkered in their views that they fail to see any wrong from their own lot. Unfortunately, it appears that we have plenty of fans that are similarly blinkered.



What's stupid about it? The existence of states is literally the practice of justifying one type of violence over the other? It's one of the fundamental bases of our world order.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by JohnSwift JohnSwift wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

I suppose James would point to the distinction between glorifying oppressive/imperialist violence compared to reactionary violence by those being victimised. In any case, I think it's pretty likely James has little interest in history or education, and this was simply intended as a bit of absurdity that no one in their right mind would interpret as being serious.

That’s just a ridiculously stupid post. Justifying one type of violence over another. That’s the type of sh*t you read on the OWC forum. Lads there are so blinkered in their views that they fail to see any wrong from their own lot. Unfortunately, it appears that we have plenty of fans that are similarly blinkered.



What's stupid about it? The existence of states is literally the practice of justifying one type of violence over the other? It's one of the fundamental bases of our world order.

You're missing the point. Justifying violence is equally despicable, regardless of whether it's being perpetrated by a state or a terrorist organisation.

If a Northern Ireland player posted a similar "joke" about Loyalist violence on social media, there would be plenty of people on this forum complaining about it, and rightly so.

What McClean did on this occasion was utterly stupid. I'd hope it can be attributed to his lack of intelligence, as opposed to a need for attention.
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Interesting article by Gareth McAuley , former team mate of James at West Brom , in today's Sunday Life newspaper.He likes James personally and praises his dedication as a pro footballer but despairs of his lack of judgement as exemplified by this latest nonsense, which McAuley says he was put up to by a so-called 'friend'. He considers James easily led and constantly trying to impress people-like when he bought a Lamborghini when he was at Sunderland,despite not having a driving licence, only for the then manager Martin O'Neill to order him to return it, and eating a fish eye in Barcelona when other players dared him to. Apparently he has also refused to engage with the PFA despite criticising them for not doing enough about the abuse he has received. McAuley reckons Michael O'Neill will be furious as he likes low maintenance players-hence his frustration over the years with the likes of Kyle Lafferty.
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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

Interesting article by Gareth McAuley , former team mate of James at West Brom , in today's Sunday Life newspaper.He likes James personally and praises his dedication as a pro footballer but despairs of his lack of judgement as exemplified by this latest nonsense, which McAuley says he was put up to by a so-called 'friend'. He considers James easily led and constantly trying to impress people-like when he bought a Lamborghini when he was at Sunderland,despite not having a driving licence, only for the then manager Martin O'Neill to order him to return it, and eating a fish eye in Barcelona when other players dared him to. Apparently he has also refused to engage with the PFA despite criticising them for not doing enough about the abuse he has received. McAuley reckons Michael O'Neill will be furious as he likes low maintenance players-hence his frustration over the years with the likes of Kyle Lafferty.
Surely your having a laugh! Gareth McAuley,Sunday life ! Get terri back. He would be more impartial!
 



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Originally posted by King_Kenny King_Kenny wrote:

Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

Interesting article by Gareth McAuley , former team mate of James at West Brom , in today's Sunday Life newspaper.He likes James personally and praises his dedication as a pro footballer but despairs of his lack of judgement as exemplified by this latest nonsense, which McAuley says he was put up to by a so-called 'friend'. He considers James easily led and constantly trying to impress people-like when he bought a Lamborghini when he was at Sunderland,despite not having a driving licence, only for the then manager Martin O'Neill to order him to return it, and eating a fish eye in Barcelona when other players dared him to. Apparently he has also refused to engage with the PFA despite criticising them for not doing enough about the abuse he has received. McAuley reckons Michael O'Neill will be furious as he likes low maintenance players-hence his frustration over the years with the likes of Kyle Lafferty.
Surely your having a laugh! Gareth McAuley,Sunday life ! Get terri back. He would be more impartial! 

Here is the article in full, so that others may choose who to believe, you or Big G. (I know who my money's on)

James McClean has always lacked judgement . . . but his latest action is indefensible

I've always tried to defend my controversial pal James McClean.

He can be daft, stupid and irresponsible but I know, from our days at West Brom together, he has a good heart.

When it comes to football, he is a terrific trainer, giving his all, pushing himself to the extreme and in some regards maybe does too much. Football wise, you will not find someone who works harder and his tackling is raw and full blooded.

He doesn't drink, looks after himself physically and it was this dedication that I admired about James at West Brom.

We obviously had major differences in opinion, especially politically and on the poppy, but were able to park that and be friends. While I didn't agree with him on all his stances, I could certainly understand where he was coming from, including when it came to not representing Northern Ireland.

I also knew he was easily led, lacked judgement and was constantly trying to impress people.

At Sunderland, he once bought a Lamborghini, without even having his driving test! Manager Martin O'Neill ordered him to return it.

On a West Brom trip to Barcelona, the one made famous with the players in the taxi, James ate a fish eye! We were in a restaurant and the waiters brought out an entire fish and proceeded to descale it up and serve it to some of the players.

James was egged on to eat the fish eye - it was like something out of I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here and the Bushtucker Trials and he munched his way through it as his team-mates cheered on. It was awful, but he did it.

Those things were silly. However, what James posted on social media this week, a picture of him wearing a balaclava while teaching his kids 'history', was stupid and deeply offensive.

He had to be encouraged to do it by one of his so called 'friends', I'm not convinced he would have thought of it himself. But he would have known it would have been seen offensive.

His club, Stoke City, were quick to act, fining him the maximum two weeks wages and ordering him to remove his Instagram account and as his friend, I can't defend him - it was needless and wrong.

I believe it undermines everything he has said about him being singled out and targeted when fans shout stuff about the IRA to him.

It throws a shadow of doubt over him and is anybody in authority going to take him seriously now?

It was ill-judged, he has brought this on himself and he now must deal with attention that didn't need to be coming his way.

I know for a fact the Professional Footballers' Association have tried to contact him and support him with regards the abuse he receives. But while James cries foul about not receiving help, he isn't interested in entering into any form of dialogue with the PFA.

Having played under Michael O'Neill, now manager of James at Stoke, he'll be fuming that an incident like this has placed the spotlight on one of his top players for all the wrong reasons.

The club have backed him so much in recent months that they'll think this is a slap in their face.

Michael will be annoyed that this is a distraction when the focus should be on supporting the country and NHS against this deadly coronavirus.

He prefers low maintenance players in his squads - that's why he is so frustrated by Kyle Lafferty.

James is a decent, talented footballer and I had a lot of time for him when we were together at West Brom. But his actions off the pitch have defined his career and that is incredibly sad.

He'll be remembered for being irresponsible, daft and lacking judgement.

And unfortunately due to his recent action, I can no longer defend the indefensible.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/sport/james-mcclean-has-always-lacked-judgement-but-his-latest-action-is-indefensible-39083960.html

[Incidentally, the Belfast Telegraph/Sunday Life is part of the Independent News and Media Group. That's "Independent" as in Irish Independent. You know, the Dublin-based newspaper group.]




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The BelTel is a Unionist paper.
     
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The Belfast Telegraph is indeed a unionist paper but to be fair to McAuley, an honest pro who came up to the Premiership the hard way through the lower leagues and enjoyed a longer than usual career through hard work and application, his comments cannot be construed as being in any way sectarian. They are candid certainly but fair and he was considerably more scathing about another former team-mate, Kyle Lafferty, in another recent article. I like McClean immensely , you don't hear about most of the generous things he has done as he doesn't go around shouting about them and I would always want him in the Ireland team, but no-one can be immune to criticism if they do stupid stuff on social media. The solution is to stay off it and hopefully James now will.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

The BelTel is a Unionist paper.

It used to be, but not any longer.

For in an effort to maximise readership from the two communities in NI, both in order to face the digital challenge, but also since IMG took over, the BT is now the newspaper equivalent of the Alliance Party. As such it leaves pure Unionism to the Newsletter and pure Nationalism to the Irish News.

But as it happens, this strategy isn't really working, since Nationalists still see it as Unionist and so aren't buying it (literally and figuratively), while many Unionists are turning away from it since it shifted its stance towards neutrality.

Norn Iron, eh!

In any case, whether it be editorially Unionist, Nationalist or Islamic Jihadi, it doesn't make any difference to what Big G actually said.

But hey ho, why bother with the message, when you can just shoot the messenger before he even opens his mouth? Shocked


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Fair article by mcauley regardless of what publication it appears in  
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Big claim to make that McClean has snubbed the PFA advances. Id imagine the PFA would have communicated as such.

I will take this with remark with a pinch of salt, saying 'Big G' thought it was a conspiracy that NI ended up in a Group with Germany and Holland LOL

On the rest of it, I cant find much fault. 
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

The BelTel is a Unionist paper.

It used to be, but not any longer.

For in an effort to maximise readership from the two communities in NI, both in order to face the digital challenge, but also since IMG took over, the BT is now the newspaper equivalent of the Alliance Party. As such it leaves pure Unionism to the Newsletter and pure Nationalism to the Irish News.

But as it happens, this strategy isn't really working, since Nationalists still see it as Unionist and so aren't buying it (literally and figuratively), while many Unionists are turning away from it since it shifted its stance towards neutrality.

Norn Iron, eh!

In any case, whether it be editorially Unionist, Nationalist or Islamic Jihadi, it doesn't make any difference to what Big G actually said.

But hey ho, why bother with the message, when you can just shoot the messenger before he even opens his mouth? Shocked

Irish / Sunday independent is a Unionist paper
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You only need to look at the 'journalists' who are writing for these papers to get an understanding of their targeted audience.

     
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If it was about marches, flegs, or GSTQ, you could certainly be sure the Bel Tel would have less to say about it in the way of criticism alright. Who knows, perhaps this is all just one big misunderstanding and McClean was simply keeping his head warm while giving his kids a history lesson Big smile
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How can any paper with Ruth Dudley Edwards writing for be described as anything like impartial?
That said, McAuley doesn't say much that I don't agree with.
 
I think all fair minded people can agree on the following regarding McClean:
 
1 - He is entitled not to wear a poppy and has explained why with valid reasons
2 - He seems a likeable, generous man who has never forgotten his roots
3 - The abuse he gets in England is a disgrace
4 - He isn't the smartest with some of his postings on social media, and with some of the stuff he posts you have to wonder if he quite enjoys the controversy and attention that surrounds him. This recent Instagram post was totally stupid, but he knew what he was doing and probably sent it out to create a bit of a story.
 
 
 
 
 


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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

If it was about marches, flegs, or GSTQ, you could certainly be sure the Bel Tel would have less to say about it in the way of criticism alright. Who knows, perhaps this is all just one big misunderstanding and McClean was simply keeping his head warm while giving his kids a history lesson Big smile
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McAuley told Rangers TV, " The opportunity to come and play at this famous club is amazing," 

"My family support the club, myself as well. The street I was born on, the kerbs were painted red, white and blue."

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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

How can any paper with Ruth Dudley Edwards writing for be described as anything like impartial?
That said, McAuley doesn't say much that I don't agree with.
 
I think all fair minded people can agree on the following regarding McClean:
 
1 - He is entitled not to wear a poppy and has explained why with valid reasons
2 - He seems a likeable, generous man who has never forgotten his roots
3 - The abuse he gets in England is a disgrace
4 - He isn't the smartest with some of his postings on social media, and with some of the stuff he posts you have to wonder if he quite enjoys the controversy and attention that surrounds him. This recent Instagram post was totally stupid, but he knew what he was doing and probably sent it out to create a bit of a story.
 
 
 
 
 
Is McClean a bit of a scatterbrain? Yes. Do I like him as a player? Not really. Has he made a good living from football? Yes . Fair play to him. But it’s a low point for this forum when unionist rags are being quoted against him by members!

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Think we should be focussing on McAuley's quotes on McClean rather than the paper they were in or any previous quotes from him on separate matters.
There isn't much he says that is wrong
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